Just been told not to walk on some tits land......

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Ok so what would you do?

We have woods near us that I have walked in since getting Dex and before with OH's mothers dog. Its a nice loop round- quiet, you can see whats coming (ideal for Dex and his dog reactiveness) cool in the weather- generally just nice.

So I am walking along when an off lead spangle comes haring at us stops barks and then scoots off into the woods..... Dex does his "PERLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE let me go to" act..... and is quite understandably I feel excited... then a man and a lady appear... and this happens

Man:"that dog isnt under control, these are my woods"
Me " dex sit (he does) sorry but he is under control he is on both a harness and a headcollar- cant get much more control than that"
Man: " well he does not look it to me- I have a dog and am feeling quite intimidated by him"
Me: " ok well we'll move on then, but really he is just very excited by your off lead spaniel in the woods, who as it goes barked at him/me"
Man: "well this is my land and I never want to see THAT dog here again"
Me: " hes a rescue and under control- is never off lead, you're not being fair!, he has to learn somewhere, he hasn't lunged or barked at you he is just sat here staring into the woods after your dog, admittedly with the odd squeal- but its is just excitement, and as I said he is never off lead"
Man: " well he's not going to learn here, hes intimidating, this is MY land, I never want THAT dog here again"

Que me walking off and bursting into tears (as actually Dex had been really good, and if he poxy spangle hadn't run up to us barking he would have ignored the people totally) :(..... so what to do? There is a public footpath straight through the woods, but I do not think it includes the rest of the circular bit. Would you stay away anyway? of be defiant and carry on going?- even if to just walk the bit that is actually a public right of way? :confused:

Why is it ok for his nutter of a dog to run up to us barking and then sod off but mine- on a headcollar and harness is not under control............ this has really upset me as now I will have to stick the dog in the car to do anything other than road walk pretty much.....

Oh have never seen this guy in the woods before- spangle was quite distinctive markings.
 
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My thoughts are he is not the landowner, you as a girl are an easy target and I think he wants the walk all to himself. If it was me I would still walk there but not at the same time as you did today. We dont have any public footpaths out the back of our farm but Ive never met a dog walker there. Ive found people in the field behind the house and have told them not walk there as my Dobes guard the property. Its all lies but I said it for a security point of view dont want people eying things to pinch. As I understand it to prove trespass there must be some form of damage ie.treading down crops,harassing livestock or pheasants. As you were doing neither and had your dog on the lead I would think he would be hard pressed to accuse you of anything.
 
Dobiegirl said:
My thoughts are he is not the landowner, you as a girl are an easy target and I think he wants the walk all to himself. If it was me I would still walk there but not at the same time as you did today. We dont have any public footpaths out the back of our farm but Ive never met a dog walker there. Ive found people in the field behind the house and have told them not walk there as my Dobes guard the property. Its all lies but I said it for a security point of view dont want people eying things to pinch. As I understand it to prove trespass there must be some form of damage ie.treading down crops,harassing livestock or pheasants. As you were doing neither and had your dog on the lead I would think he would be hard pressed to accuse you of anything.
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I agree with this. Some people are just mean!!!!
 
I did think maybe he was showing off to the woman he was with.... and seriously if you were that intimidated by an "out of control" dog would you then walk right past it on a 2 foot wide path? He may well own the land- how would one go about finding that out? OH is spitting feathers that he was not there...... turns out landowners can not ask you not to go there for their own made up reasons... but like I said the footpath does not include the circular bit.... :(

I "used" to go between 5 and 6pm purposely because it was quiet so other owners are not disturbed by Dex and his noise/fuss at other dogs......
 
We have several footpaths around the farm but still find people walking across fields with no public access.
Regardless of how well behaved your dog is and how badly behaved the LO's is, it is not your land and has no public access on it so you shouldn't be there.
So many people think that an open field is a free for all, but unless it is YOUR field or one that has open access (I believe Scotland has different access rights) you shouldn't be there. Sorry.
That 'tit' has bought his land and should be able to choose who he allows to use it.
 
I always find the local pub a good place to find out these things and if they dont know you wont have wasted your evening.:D

What about your farrier or local hunt they would be bound to know also local farmers.
 
jrp204 said:
We have several footpaths around the farm but still find people walking across fields with no public access.
Regardless of how well behaved your dog is and how badly behaved the LO's is, it is not your land and has no public access on it so you shouldn't be there.
So many people think that an open field is a free for all, but unless it is YOUR field or one that has open access (I believe Scotland has different access rights) you shouldn't be there. Sorry.
That 'tit' has bought his land and should be able to choose who he allows to use it.
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So if he wants noone to use it FENCE it.... this is not open fields I am talking about, where I am always careful to stick to the designated rights of way it is woodland that could easily be fenced alongside the main footpath. This is a well trodden path used year round by dog walkers. Had he just said "please do not use my land" I would have been like "oh so sorry I did not know this was not a footpath!" and moved on........

He obviously doe not mind it being used- on the whole- if he is indeed the land owner.
 
I'm sorry but you need to get off his land.

I see from your previous posts that the dog is a Staffie/Ridgeback cross and both those breeds, if I came across them needing a double harness/halter combination would scare me witless in the control of a female who might not be strong enough to hold him. My horse had his throat attacked by a loose ridgeback.

Only you know your dog is completely under control, other people looking on don't. He's a playful spaniel man, not a fighting dog man. He may genuinely be scared of your dog. On his land, he's entitled to ask you to leave and you need to do that.
 
Oh congrats you made it to the right thread............ jeez

I am perfectly capable of holding him at 15 stone ta. HE IS NOT A FIGHTING DOG so get off the cross thanks and he is "thought" to be that cross.... NOT IS, will never know, could be lab cross? boxer? dunno

I did get off his land
 
lexiedhb said:
OH is spitting feathers that he was not there...... turns out landowners can not ask you not to go there for their own made up reasons..
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Landowners can ask you not to go on their land with no reason given at all. If there is no public right of way you have no right to be on his land.
 
Yes you can go on the footpath but you have no rights off it, and if he has asked you to leave and its his land then you have no rights. Would you like it if he walked his spaniel in your garden? Would it be OK if it was on a lead?
Sorry but as a farmers wife it drives us nuts when people think they can walk anywhere because we have tracks around the fields.
 
Believe me I DO get this..... I guess had he not bought the dog into it, it would not have upset me at all, and I would have been profusely apolagetic at not having researched the paths.

Wouldnt mind an on lead spangle in the garden to be honest.
 
CP for goodness sake, he is not a fighting dog, he is a pet.
I'd hate to come up under you in a dog-related case, you clearly have a bias.
Are you accusing the OP of engaging in an illegal activity?!
Ridgebacks were originally used for hunting lions, not fighting.

How and ever, if it is his land, I would respect his wishes, sorry, my neighbour's field right across the road has a footpath through it which is used as a shortcut to the bus stop and I would never take the dog on it without ringing and checking with him first, you do have to respect the landowner's wishes, I think.
 
Thanks CC - seems whole breed bias is still alive and kicking no matter what the breed :(

You are allowed dogs on foot paths though. I will steer clear of the parts that are NOT footpaths- will get an up to date map.
 
jrp204 said:
Regardless of how well behaved your dog is and how badly behaved the LO's is, it is not your land and has no public access on it so you shouldn't be there.
So many people think that an open field is a free for all, but unless it is YOUR field or one that has open access (I believe Scotland has different access rights) you shouldn't be there. Sorry.
That 'tit' has bought his land and should be able to choose who he allows to use it.
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Ditto this.

lexiedhb said:
So if he wants noone to use it FENCE it.... this is not open fields I am talking about, where I am always careful to stick to the designated rights of way it is woodland that could easily be fenced alongside the main footpath. This is a well trodden path used year round by dog walkers. Had he just said "please do not use my land" I would have been like "oh so sorry I did not know this was not a footpath!" and moved on........

He obviously doe not mind it being used- on the whole- if he is indeed the land owner.
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Why should he pay out and erect a fence when one has not been needed before because people kept to the footpath?

cptrayes said:
Landowners can ask you not to go on their land with no reason given at all. If there is no public right of way you have no right to be on his land.
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lexiedhb said:
Yes if not public right of way- which means I CAN still go on the bit that has a foot path.
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Precisely. KEEP TO THE PATH, you do have a right to be THERE but not anywhere else on his land that is a designated footpath/bridleway unless he gives you special dispensation.


lexiedhb said:
Believe me I DO get this..... I guess had he not bought the dog into it, it would not have upset me at all, and I would have been profusely apolagetic at not having researched the paths.
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Don't be so sensitive please; you must be used to the reactions of Joe Public to the type of dog you have, it goes with the territory and not everyone will be happy to be in the vicinity of him even if he is trussed up like a chicken in all manner of harnesses even though you know he's a softee at heart, others don't, you can't blame them.
Just keep to the correct paths in future.
 
Dont know how to multi quote but it is obvious this man does not have a problem per se with people walking the WELL trodden paths through the woods- although they are probably NOT on the maps as footpaths.

Yes yes his land his call

Apart from a few at the beginning (from family mainly) no I have not come across any negativity with my type of dog- he looks alot like a lab to be fair from joe public- especially those with dogs.
 
Yeah, don't be so sensitive, none of us get over-protective of our dogs and none of us feel hurt when people think badly about them when they don't even know them :p

Lexie, it's just part of life sometimes, people judge on sight and sight alone, like others say, some people just don't like certain types of dogs (my neighbours are a bit scared/wary of B, they're collie people, but they are glad he is here because he makes a racket at the slightest sign of anything suspicious :p) there's lots of places that are out of bounds to us for large parts of the year because of their livestock but it's just life.

Look on the bright side, roadwork is great for building muscle (for humans and dogs :p) and some of the places you go in the car will be much nicer.

It's lovely to have easy dogs, but in a year's time, when you are a much more experienced and capable handler than most people will ever be, you're both super skinny minnies from all that hard work you'll have done, you'll look back at this and smile, and maybe be able to convince and show the landowner that Dex isn't a bad spud after all!
 
Unless you are on a public right of way you have absoloutely no right to be on his land and he has every right to tell you to bog off and I am fully on his side-you would not be pleased if he was on your land without permission and doing something you didn't like to boot (he doesn't like your dog evidently, not your/dogs fault but he is entitled to his opinion-it may be that he lets those who he does not have a problem be walk on his land). Check where the right of way is, then feel free to continue using it.
 
I for one dont believe he is the landowner it just dosnt ring true to me. Maybe your dog did frighten him (his appearance I mean) but its bad enough when the public are prejudiced but I would have hoped other members on this forum were better informed.

Dont have a problem with the public walking on our land if it is a responsible dog owner who clears up behind them. We must be very opened minded around here because the other local farmers are the same.

I still think you should try and find out who owns it.
 
I am going to try (although I do not have anyway of knowing who the man in the woods was!!! - and also see if in fact where I was IS a right of way as that part is more like a gravel track. Will still walk through "his" woods though (on the bit I know IS a footpath).
 
Dear lord, whoever the hells land it was, he was an knobber, the way he spoke....not on, and heis damn well lucky that was you and not me, cos I can tell you (I would not be the one on tears) thats for sure.......we have been stopped before (once) to say we where on private land.......in the following manor "Hi, guys not sure of you knew this is private land, and there are cattle running lose, even thought you maybe not beable to see them".......OH replied "no problem" we had a DDB x, 2 weimeraners and a boxer with us.

Had the gentleman that stopped us, spoke to me like that/the way he did to you, I would have gone down this throat, and probably goaded him somemore, by asking him to actually "remove me" physically if he wanted me gone!!:mad: Im affraid I have a full on temper on me.
If they are polite, fair play, if not, fair game;)
To boot, he was ignorant to let his dog barge up to yours, his land or not, being an ass wipe like that, the dog is gonna get bitten one of these days, be it a staff type not.
 
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Cant believe there is so much get off my landitis. A few years ago a good friend of mine(she owns 3 farms) were walking on our land and strayed into someone field, it was all of half an acre and this man came out and said get off my land. We burst out laughing and left but still laughing because this man regularly exercises his dogs on our land.
 
CAYLA said:
Dear lord, whoever the hells land it was, he was an knobber, the way he spoke....not on, and heis damn well lucky that was you and not me, cos I can tell you (I would not be the one on tears) thats for sure.......we have been stopped before (once) to say we where on private land.......in the following manor "Hi, guys not sure of you knew this is private land, and there are cattle running lose, even thought you maybe not beable to see them".......OH replied "no problem" we had a DDB x, 2 weimeraners and a boxer with us.

Had the gentleman that stopped us, spoke to me like that/the way he did to you, I would have gone down this throat, and probably goaded him somemore, by asking him to actually "remove me" physically if he wanted me gone!!:mad: Im affraid I have a full on temper on me.
If they are polite, fair play, if not, fair game;)
To bott, he was ignorant to let his dog barge up to yours, hsi land or not, being an ass wipe like that, the dog is gonna get bitten one of these days, be it a staff type not.
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This^^^^^ is pretty much, is what a mate of mine has just said---- I should have asked him to prove he was the land owner and when he couldnt told him to jog on...... easy in hindsight though!!!

I did say if he had just said "please dont walk here it is my land and private" I would have been aploagetic......
 
lexiedhb said:
This^^^^^ is pretty much, is what a mate of mine has just said---- I should have asked him to prove he was the land owner and when he couldnt told him to jog on...... easy in hindsight though!!!

I did say if he had just said "please dont walk here it is my land and private" I would have been aploagetic......
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Too right.....I read some of the crap folk put up with on walks on here and the way they are spoken too which is not on AT ALL, an think, jeeysus, I would flip.
 
Yeah, he may have been a prick, but if its his land then you have to get off, or risk getting prosecuted for trespassing.

Regardless of breed (personally id rather a breed like that on ours rather than nutty spanners/labs/lurchers) You have no right to be there, wether its fenced or not.

When We come across people like you (well, the ruder, more obstinate kind with ''roaming rights'' spouting out of their mouths) it is incredibly frustrating as really, they are in the wrong. Sod well worn paths, You/they wouldnt be very impressed if OH and I rocked up to your garden with our dogs and had a little jolly through there. We dont want an argument, we just dont want you there, for whatever reason.

Usually that is the answer to anyone who gets shirty, ''were do you live''? And i know of people who have done just that.
 
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