Just been told not to walk on some tits land......

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When you come accross people "like me"??? What ones that if told politely that this land is private and I shouldnt be there are apolagetic???????

All the refs to gardens are a bit daft really in that my garden has a 6ft fence all round it- so folk cant get in- he could do this with his wood if he so wished, would defo keep folk out.
 
Dobiegirl said:
Cant believe there is so much get off my landitis.
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Did you not realise that anyone who doesn't own land is considered scum on HHO?:p I'm amazed any of them manage to even SPEAK to us peasants who actually need to use footpaths and rights of way **shudders** I expect some of 'em need counselling or a stiff drink to get over the shock of it.

Sorry you were upset Lexie, yeah IF he is the landowner (love how people are just assuming he's telling the truth about that) he has the right to not allow people to walk there, but there's no need for anyone to be an arse about an honest mistake. Good manners cost nothing y'know, even for landowners - oh I'm sorry, I mean Gods!;)
 
lexiedhb said:
When you come accross people "like me"??? What ones that if told politely that this land is private and I shouldnt be there are apolagetic??????? i just meant people who have a problem with being asked not to be somewhere, we have to because of pheasants and livestock :o not in a mean way

All the refs to gardens are a bit daft really in that my garden has a 6ft fence all round it- so folk cant get in- he could do this with his wood if he so wished, would defo keep folk out.
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please dont read this as if im getting narky because im not, read it in a calm collected tone.

But thats exactly like walking up into some random persons garden and when they say ''erm, wtf are you doing?' you saying.. ''well, if you dont want me in here, put up a fence''

He shouldnt have to, people should just respect that they cant just walk everywhere, because it bite everyone else in the ass.

For example, we live between two estates, now it would be really helpful if i could take pink for in hand hacks on estate two, as its got nice tracks and things, but because some moron horserider decided one day that they could go wherever they like, now, even though i have asked he wont let me go in there in case other people see me and take it upon themselves to tramp through his land.

We get alot of dickheads who shout the odds and can get vicious over ''their rights', who can be very intimidating, hence why now we have a bloody great rottieX chained up so noone can trespass my garden to get onto the estate.

People just dont listen, ive explained to people that this estate is footpath free and they cannot go down there, ive explained to great lengths that if their dog even so much as frightens a pheasant it risks getting bulletted, but some people (not you-some people-and its all asked extremely politely) really have a chip on their shoulder about their right to roam, nothing will put them off.
 
Dobiegirl said:
Pink Pony have you any idea how arrogant your post sounded:(
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Sorry its not meant to be arrogant, and it isnt OUR owned land, but as keepers of it, we are responsible for putting people straight.

Today we had walkers not on a footpath, this is, they were not 100 yards from one, luckily these people were nice, and it was raining and were more than happy to be put on the path home, but id say thats a small percentage.

On a shoot day last season OH had a labrador running through a game crop just befor they shot his drive, believe it or not, that could cost him his job, Its probably the one time ive seen him go ballistic, apart from one other time, on a shoot day, similar thing. Owner was a ****, said he did nothing wrong and would continue to do so, so OH said if he saw that dog chasing pheasant again, he would shoot it. the bloke's not been back.

And its not because of the demeanor of OH or I or anyone else on the estate, we are all very polite when we see people, after all, we dont want a fight.
 
You know what I think you should do? Buy a bottle of wine/cake/make something/a bone for their dog - find out who they are (that will be easy) and go round, be friendly and ask again in a less high octane situation (maybe taking Dex and making sure he behaves) if you can walk there. YES it might irk you and YES you do have a right of way - but, you get more bees with honey.. :)

My OH has to put up with some shite on his land - and that can make people less forgiving to the genuine people. They may have had a bad day - a bad dog on dog experience etc etc so maybe just go back and address the situation with a clear head.

After all it'd be a shame to lose the resource and an angry landowner is not the best advertisement for your dog, if you don't sort it out properly now you'll have every landowner in the area eyeballing you and your "fighting dog" :rolleyes:..
 
Hmmmmmm my dog was not loose?!!

Now everyone is talking about land owners, estates and farmers and the like- this I would imagine is either a pocket of woodland that someone owns, or it may be attached to a house somewhere (but the house is not visible from this part of wood)- this is a fairly built up area!!

and no idea how to go about finding out who the owner is- or if indeed this man is the owner..... Have never ever seen him there before....
 
I would think if he does own that land - any local pub or indeed local farmer will know who he is :) and if he doesn't own it - well the owner will be interested to hear about it and you'll be forewared the next time you meet :)
 
Well really i should be saying 'well just steer clear' BUt if its such an integral part of Dex's walk then i would probably carry on and if i saw him again take it from there.. He does sound like a prick.

BV is right though, more flies with honey and all that. Ask around locally if anyone knows him, farmers seem to be the authority on every land owner for miles around.

OH met a really nice guy a couple of weeks after we moved here, who happened to walk his dogs through the bottom of a release pen. He was so nice when OH explained why him walking there would cause problems that Oh got him in the landy and took him on a route around the pen on the boundary, so he could walk a long walk with his dog and dog in OHs pheasants at the same time. If the guy had been a bellend Oh wouldnt have gone out of his way like that. Walkers CAN be a great help, or a massive hindrance.

So sorry if i sounded bitchy of sharp, really wasnt meaning to be.
 
CaveCanem said:
CP for goodness sake, he is not a fighting dog, he is a pet.
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The dog's breeding on both sides, Staffie and Ridgeback is renowned for aggression. Some staffies are bred around here to fight and a poster on this forum last year posted how the family ridgeback had just been put down because it bit a child who was play fighting with "its" little girl. The ridgeback that attacked my horse was being walked by a female neighbour of mine and she could not hold it, it pulled the lead out of her hands and went for my horse's throat.

The owner of the land is not to know how gentle or otherwise the dog is, (bearing in mind also that the OP has posted for advice how to stop it biting her). All he sees is an overexcited dog which is of breeding he considers is likely to be aggressive. Why should he not be genuinely afraid?

Is no-one on this thread prepared to believe that the man did actually feel threatened by this dog? A big ginger ridgeback/staffie cross, admittedly in an over-excited state? It would have scared me.

OP I think you may need to muzzle the dog in public just to make people feel safer, whether the dog actually needs the muzzle or not.
 
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Why does someone who has paid money for private land have to be remotely nice to anyone found on their land? Or let them on it? Or have to pay for a lot of fencing to keep people off? Why not just respect where you are supposed to go? Or the landowner (if it was the landowner) could well go and start kicking up a fuss about other rights of way on his land if there is a chronic nuisance problem and get really aggressive and try to block of ROW leading to whole other issues
 
No one is saying this bloke was not scared.

'Some' staffies around your way are bred to fight. Not all of them are. I've been bitten on the face by a Rough Collie (Lassie) and so has the daughter of a forum member.
The ridgeback mentioned on this forum attacked a visiting child if I recall correctly. Still not right, but it's good to get the facts straight.
First time I've heard Ridgeys are renowned for aggression.
There used to be one who lived in the village we used to live in, used to have the run of the place, would wait at the bus stop twice a day for 'his' kid, all us kids loved him and he loved us.

You're a cat person, right?

That was the owner's bad, sorry to hear about your horse. My dog comes up to my hip, a lot of men can't hold him. I now make sure that I can and so does the OP, by the sounds of it :)

I think Boogaloovoaglogakitty :p has the best idea so far.
 
I agree he was unnecessarily rude but if it's his private land, sorry, walk elsewhere.
It's a bit like someone deciding to walk through your garden and making your dog bark, he may well have bought the land to ensure privacy for himself just as you have your garden for your dog to use.. Saying fence it isn't fair either, the onus is on you to make sure you can walk there.
The fuss he made does make me wonder if it is indeed his, a few local enquiries down the nearest pub will no doubt give you that info.
Otherwise if you aren't worried about a further encounter walk so early he won't be about, but expect him to be even crosser if he catches you again...
 
I think perhaps dog owners need to be aware that whilst YOU know that you can hold your dog, and that even if it pulled free it would lick you to death, nobody else does. And that there are an awful lot of people who are actually scared of dogs, especially powerful muscular ones like the OP's dog.
 
I am not disputing that, see first line of my last post (and it does not apply to me personally as I do not walk on disputed land, I walk wherever I have permission to be and have my dogs under control)

Notice you didn't address any of my other points, like suggesting the OP owns a 'fighting dog', the inference being she is engaged in illegal activity.
You don't like Ridgeys because of your experiences, fair enough, what do you think people would say if I came on here and said 'all Lassie dogs are face-biting lunatics' on the strength of two incidents? They would think it was a daft thing to say.

Lots of immature, over-excitable dogs leap up and nip/grab arms, you only have to look at the posts on here about it, doesn't mean they are all unmitigated killers, they have no hands, they cannot speak, they do it to get attention, it is rude, yes, but not a sign that the dog is evil.
 
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Cavecanem my post was not directly to you and I am not answering anything else I have not answered already because you have already suggested that I wrote things that I have not, so there is no point. You sound, to be honest, like you are looking for a fight.

I'd just repeat my point. Just because you know that your lovely big alsation is safe when you are walking it, no-one else does. In the case of the OP a man sounds like he was genuinely scared by her dog, exercised his right to ask her not to come onto his land with it and in return has been described by her as a "tit" on a public forum.

Nice.
 
My advice, for what it's worth, would be to get a map of your local footpaths and bridle ways. These maps have numbers on the foorpaths, check which one you are on, then phone your council, they should be able to tell you who owns the land.
Then armed with your map, and your infomation on the landowner, you will know were you stand (walk :D)!
And i don't agree with the other poster who advised you to muzzle your dog wether he needs it or not, in my mind that would create more fear in the dog from strangers!
 
I'm not looking for a fight. You did call the OP's dog a 'fighting dog', it's there in black and...beige :p which was extremely unfair IMO.
And it seems to me like you are a cat person, who doesn't like big dogs like Rhodesian Ridgebacks and German Shepherds, fair enough :)
I do take your point about people being scared of dogs, I have said that twice now and we are going round and round in circles.

To be fair, it is not the first time a person has been upset and come on this forum for a rant, it has developed into a multi-pager and the OP has then calmed down - hopefully the OP will take B-DC's advice and maybe check if this man is indeed the landowner and try to get off on a better foot.
 
Lets just get a few things straight- ANY dog is capable of aggression, only dog i have ever been bitten by was a spaniel- does not mean i avoid them like the plague, as I am intelligent enough to think "deed not breed", and not tar all dogs of the same breed with the same brush- same as i do not dislike ALL teenage boys, just the ones who make a god awful noise outside the house at 2am.

He will not be muzzled- he does not need it- if I thought he did I would- but I am not muzzling my dog because You are scared. If I was scared of a dog I saw I would walk the other way, or cross the road, or avoid..... as it would be MY problem I was scared, not the dogs (when the dog has done nothing wrong!).

Anyway enough of this..... have been researching the footpaths and it seems that I may well have a right to be where I was anyway!
 
lexiedhb said:
Lets just get a few things straight- ANY dog is capable of aggression, only dog i have ever been bitten by was a spaniel- does not mean i avoid them like the plague, as I am intelligent enough to think "deed not breed", and not tar all dogs of the same breed with the same brush- same as i do not dislike ALL teenage boys, just the ones who make a god awful noise outside the house at 2am. to be honest, wouldnt give a fig about the breed, around here its all crazy spaniels that have been bought because one owning a spaniel sounds posher than most, and they are all kempt up all day and then let loose on our little poultlets :) and i too have seen far more vicious spaniels and labs than bull breeds

He will not be muzzled- he does not need it- if I thought he did I would- but I am not muzzling my dog because You are scared. If I was scared of a dog I saw I would walk the other way, or cross the road, or avoid..... as it would be MY problem I was scared, not the dogs (when the dog has done nothing wrong!). agree, if the dogs not dangerous why should you have to, i wouldnt put on any of my dogs

Anyway enough of this..... have been researching the footpaths and it seems that I may well have a right to be where I was anyway!
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Make sure its an official foot path, if it hasnt got OS or something like that then you still dont have legal rights to it as its more a made up one that people use all the time. Footpath signs arent moderated by the council as such so dont just go by those.
 
SusieT said:
Why does someone who has paid money for private land have to be remotely nice to anyone found on their land? Or let them on it? Or have to pay for a lot of fencing to keep people off? Why not just respect where you are supposed to go? Or the landowner (if it was the landowner) could well go and start kicking up a fuss about other rights of way on his land if there is a chronic nuisance problem and get really aggressive and try to block of ROW leading to whole other issues
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Because, SusieT, good manners and basic courtesy cost nothing and make the world a nicer place to live in. Rude people are a blight on society, and rudeness achieves nothing other than to show the rude person's lack of education and class.
 
If you go off the public footpath you are in the wrong. On the ROW you are allowed to pass and repass and stop to eat your lunch. You may go off the path to go around an obstruction. If you are harrased by someone and you feel you are in the right complain to the police we had one farmer done under stalking legislation
 
Spudlet said:
Because, SusieT, good manners and basic courtesy cost nothing and make the world a nicer place to live in..
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This does also apply to those who knowingly trespass on private land as well thinking they have a perfect right to be there of course; it is rude and ignorant to say the least plus extremely frustrating to the land owner.

That was not accusing LB as she now seems to think she does have rights there according to her map which is good news, I'm just stating the fact that it does work both ways.
You wouldn't tolerate anyone in your garden without permission and just because it's a larger tract of land/woodland doesn't make any difference to how you should treat the person who owns it if you're on their land without permission.
Treat others as you would like them to treat you is a good creed as at least then, you have the moral high ground if nothing else.
 
sywell said:
If you go off the public footpath you are in the wrong. On the ROW you are allowed to pass and repass and stop to eat your lunch. You may go off the path to go around an obstruction. If you are harrased by someone and you feel you are in the right complain to the police we had one farmer done under stalking legislation
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Oooo, do tell us more!
 
I was not knowingly trespassing at all- sign at the beginning of the path clearly says FOOTPATH- the path goes round in a circle, as well as straight on- with no more signs- so assumed that all of it was a footpath, which I now think it may well be (depends which map you look at).
 
lexiedhb said:
I was not knowingly trespassing at all- sign at the beginning of the path clearly says FOOTPATH- the path goes round in a circle, as well as straight on- with no more signs- so assumed that all of it was a footpath, which I now think it may well be (depends which map you look at).
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Poor you Lexie as usual the thread goes off on a tangent with opinionated people! Your dog sounds a gem, let us know how you get on xx
 
You never know..maybe the land OWNER was planning on releasing pheasants into that wood,either way it is his land.Check your OS map to be sure of your rights,and have the path number wriiten down,back of your hand is great,can`t lose that,just in case.
I own a few acres too..and no footpaths go through it,in fact would`nt have bought it if they had.And I too would resent dog walkers on my property which my money has paid for.
On the other hand ,used to live near a huge shooting estate and that keeper soon realised that me quietly riding around was an extra pair of eyes..kept to the bridleways though!
 
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