Kiddnapped horse!

Hi am a new member but saw your post and had to reply. Same thing happened me with my pony. We did owe €500 to the yard owner cos we bought the pony from her and were keeping it in her yard but we agreed we would pay it when she gave us the passport. She decided 4 months later she didn't want to sell and we went up to talk to her but same as you the stable was locked up and we couldn't even see the pony. I went up the next day with a few friends and took my pony out. The yo called guards and the guards said we shouldn't have trespassed in the yard. He also told yo she can't cancel sale when money had already been handed over. He said it was a civil matter and to fight it out in court. Long story short we handed over the money owed and left.
I would definitely be going in there and taking my horse out!! Before we did it i rang the guards and told them what i was doing and his reply was if it was me i'd prob do the same.good luck
 
Elsiecat said:
Get a solicitor.

Failing that, the horse is your property and you can't be stopped to retrieve it. Bolt cutters and a quiet yard.
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Ditto legal advice: but be sure to get a good solicitor and not one who'll faff around, if that's the way you're gonna go.

But if you're going to get your horse out of there: be prepared. Have your transport sorted and waiting nearby with the engine running; ideally have a witness and/or someone to film the proceedings.

But I find it difficult to accept that the police can just stand by and let this happen? But then I guess their fave excuse of "civil matter" usually kicks in.
 
I do think you need to contact her and ask for a full breakdown of what she thinks you owe and why she thinks you owe it. And you should get bank statements to prove you are up to date odds are then one of you is going to have to accept it and either let your horse go or pay. If not get a solicitor and take her to court. She then shouldn't be able to send your horse to auction and you should be able to prove to the court that you are in the right and get your horse and tack back. I'm not sure who will have the upper hand without there being a contract but perhaps a verbal contract is in place? you will need to move quickly as with proof that you don't owe her money she is able to seize property and take your horse to auction to cover what costs she thinks she has incurred and the debt she says you owe.
 
Saying "We kindly asked them to remove the lock and to give us our stuff" just doesn't have the ring of truth to it. If I went to my yard and found Mollie and her tack locked from me I'd be frantic and very angry! I'm normally a quiet, polite person but I wouldn't be "kindly asking". :eek::rolleyes:
 
FionaM12 said:
Saying "We kindly asked them to remove the lock and to give us our stuff" just doesn't have the ring of truth to it. If I went to my yard and found Mollie and her tack locked from me I'd be frantic and very angry! I'm normally a quiet, polite person but I wouldn't be "kindly asking". :eek::rolleyes:
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guns all blazing approach wasn't our way off going........
 
EffyCorsten said:
I do think you need to contact her and ask for a full breakdown of what she thinks you owe and why she thinks you owe it. And you should get bank statements to prove you are up to date odds are then one of you is going to have to accept it and either let your horse go or pay. If not get a solicitor and take her to court. She then shouldn't be able to send your horse to auction and you should be able to prove to the court that you are in the right and get your horse and tack back. I'm not sure who will have the upper hand without there being a contract but perhaps a verbal contract is in place? you will need to move quickly as with proof that you don't owe her money she is able to seize property and take your horse to auction to cover what costs she thinks she has incurred and the debt she says you owe.
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we pay the women in cash and do not have a contract or proof that we have gave her the money or haven't
 
Black Beastie said:
Get bolt cutters, a crowbar or an electric screwdriver, take the lock/bolt/hasp or door off and take your stuff.

Doesnt sound like the whole story to me and the language has changed so sitting well back and watching.
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we do not want to go in and cut the bolt off ourselves as we can be done for criminal damage/trespassing.
 
ant121 said:
we do not want to go in and cut the bolt off ourselves as we can be done for criminal damage/trespassing.
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If you really want the horse and tack then you wouldnt give a fig for this. I know I wouldnt if some nutter had locked my horse in the stable. Film it, take the horse and get the hell out of there.

After the above I think you are a troll and Im not the first usually to come to that conclusion I give the benefit of the doubt but this is definatey BS :rolleyes:
 
It is a bit odd, I'd happily bury her in the muck heap and break my horse free and happily go to court for criminal damage, I'd do it for any of my animal family!

if it is true then just break your horse free and take your stuff she can call the cops on you, you'd be gone when they got there anyway she can't physically stop you without assaulting you.

Again if it is true neither of you can prove the other wrong so the courts more than likely wouldn't do anything anyway.

Get your horse out before it goes to market and make sure you sign a contract and get receipts in future.
 
ant121 said:
guns all blazing approach wasn't our way off going........
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Nor mine usually but there are limits. I'm just amazed that you remained so calm and self-controlled even though you'd been unfairly accused of bullying, lies about money were being told and now your horse was being kept from you.
 
I'd be bashing the stable door down and removing my horse then I'd be bashing the tack room door down! I would never ever leave my horses in that position and would cause hell untill I had my horse back!!
 
If it were me, I would be up there taking a crowbar to the door to get my horse, the tack I would deal with later. Now many people would say thats not the way to handle it but * that! I would have my horse off their land and sod the consequences. Furthermore, to lock a horse into a stable is dangerous.
 
You don't want to go in with all guns blazing, but you are happy to discuss the yo in a negative manner, with enough detail for the yo to be recognized on a large internet forum? Not exactly logical is it?
 
:confused: so you found the front gate padlocked, but could get in to find the tack room lock changed and a lock on your stable door...but not clever enough to get a contract/something in writing for the livery...
I smell a troll...
BTW Police/RSPCA should be concerned about horse being locked in the stable as it would suffer should a fire break out.
 
I would get the police and the RSPCA (maybe) to meet you at the yard and inform them that you are taking the horse back with them there, then get on with it get the horse and your belongings...that is if you really dont owe the livery owner money, if you do then bleddy pay it!!
 
no imagination whatsoever....

ETA: if the Yo was that bad...why stay their till your notice was up? If you were that worried about the wellbeing of the horse, why not walk?

If anyone took or locked away dee or my tack, they would be very sorry for it!!!
 
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I work for the police, and tbh it is a civil matter. At the end of the day the yard owner has ceased goods (the horse) as they believe they are owed money. You need to contact the RSPCA, not that their any good, and make them aware you concerned for the horses welfare, call the BHS for advice and a solicitor. If things get ugly, ie. threats or you want police present whilst you attend the yard to prevent any breech of the peace then they will help you.
If you don't owe this person anything then you could say the horse has been stolen, but as soon as police realise the other lady is saying you owe money it does become civil.
 
has the holidays started early?!!!




troll.........................there i said it!!


if this was actually geunine - id be asking my nice 4 HUGE male friends to come with me and a pair of bolt cutters to get the horse and tack back...........
 
If the stable door is locked then this is dangerous as no-one can get to your horse in the event of an emergency. It would also lead me to suspect that care is lacking as what happens if the groom doing the yard doesn't have the key? No feed/ water.

So I would be getting the horse out and arguing the toss later. You should be able to unscrew the bolt on the door without causing damage anyway. If not then cut the padlock and leave them a new one, as someone else already said.

Then when the horse is safe you can argue about who owes what to whom.

If your YO was sensible and you owed money (and I'm not saying you do), she would hold onto tack etc, fair enough. But no-one in their right mind would padlock a horse into a stable.
 
springtime13 said:
If the police won't help go and take back what is yours. I'm sure that if you have to cut padlocks and leave a like for like replacement then she couldn't accuse you of criminal damage (don't quote me on that but it does seem reasonable)
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I think i agree i would risk being prosecuted for criminal damage but no one would be keeping my horse
 
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