Kiddnapped horse!

slumdog said:
How much do you owe? Can't you just pay it? Or at least offer to pay half to get her back but let them keep your tack?
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go to yard and take her horse, refuse to give it back ;)

if this is true no offence OP but more fool you for letting it get this far. Are there any liveries on the yard that may tell you what has happened to your horse.

Oh and pay what you believe you owe, and then start court proceedings.
 
To be honest, even if you don't owe her money (and TBH I'm struggling to imagine a YO who will take on the care of someone's horse and go through a legal battle for the fun of it), the extra livery costs until this is settled are likely to outweigh any money owed (or not owed) in the first place.

I think I'd just pay up, and in future - at your new yard - insist on paying either by cheque or bank transfer, or getting receipts for cash so that you have a record, and insisting on monthly itemised bills for any extras, on time, so you always know where you stand, and have a paper trail for all bills and payments. Sounds like a hassle, but less hassle that the current situation ... you've only been there four months, the amount under dispute can't be that enormous.

With regard to your daughter, she needs to make sure she has a contract in place for any future jobs, especially in the horse world where lots of people do work for free for the experience / enjoyment, and especially if it's conceivably a "work for rides" situation, which I bet is what's happened here.
 
Tonks said:
Sorry, but this sounds fishy on all accounts and all round. This may be your interpretation of events but I suspect the yard owner has another one which is completely different from yours, speaking as a yard owner myself. I find it very 'ineteresting' that a YO (who has a reputation to upkeep) would easily enter into this type of situation unless provoked beyond reason.
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Mmmm....... me too I'm a YO and frankly wouldn't want to hang on to someone else's horse a minute longer than necessary.

Without wishing to pre-judge and/or make assumptions......... I seem to remember a Troll a while back which sounded a bit like this???

But perhaps I am being ungenerousl; if so then sincere apologies.

But am rearranging words like "sounds, as, fishy, a, mackeral, as, dead"..
 
So the police have let her move your horse without the passport???

Hmm..

What is your horses name? breed? age? and what does she say you owe and what for?
 
I would have thought that if the police had been involved originally and were quoting it to be a civil matter then they should have been equally likely to advise the YO that the outstanding debt was a civil matter, that the horse & tack should be released to owner and for YO to recoup losses via small claims (especially as no contract). Reading between the lines, IMO the reason the OP has had a less than satisfactory response from police is possibly because they didn't 'ask politely for the return of their property' and the claim of intimidation from YO possibly had some grounds when they returned with substantially built OH....
 
My horse was on trial to buy and girl loaner owed 2 weeks livery, we paid as the livery owner would be out of pocket and we got our horse off the loaner. happy all round.
 
We had a problem with a livery recently and, although the police were very helpful and did come to our home to discuss things with us, they said it was a civil matter and couldn't get involved.

I don't believe they would have got involved in your dispute in the way you describe - there must be more to the story.
 
Not just you and not just those questions bourbon ;) I'm more interested to know why questions about what the YO thinks they haven't paid for and how much we are talking.
 
I suspect that the YO has taken a lien against the horse. Hence the inability of the police to act.

It will be interesting to see if the OP ever comes back and says how much is owing.

Either way OP - this is one for your solicitor if you are unable/unwilling to pay your livery bill.

As for the 'lack' of contract. A contract doesn't have to be written on paper to be in place - it can be implied by verbal agreement and the process of payments given and received. But of course, your solicitor will be able to confirm that for you.
 
amymay said:
I suspect that the YO has taken a lien against the horse. Hence the inability of the police to act.

It will be interesting to see if the OP ever comes back and says how much is owing.

Either way OP - this is one for your solicitor if you are unable/unwilling to pay your livery bill.

As for the 'lack' of contract. A contract doesn't have to be written on paper to be in place - it can be implied by verbal agreement and the process of payments given and received. But of course, your solicitor will be able to confirm that for you.
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What I find fishy is that apparently (I may have read this wrong) but yo will be exercising the horse and charging op for it for the duration of this incident. Now seizing and caring for the horse, yes I can get that, but exercising it as part of such an issue... Nope never heard of that.
 
If it was me I would steel my own horse, go up one night snap the padlock off and take the horse. Tack you can afford to loose and replace but not your horse.

Nothing would stand in m way of rescuing my horse
 
Oh er!
I opened this thread thinking that there were some evil enterprising peeps taking horses and then sending ransom notes using words cut out of magazines, saying "pay up or the pony gets it". :rolleyes:

As far as I know you cannot hold on to someone's possessions because they owe you money. Thats commonly known as theft.
You have to prove in a court of law that money is owed first and then lay claim to property to recoup the debt. Nor is it possible to sell someone's property to recoup dept unless ownership has first been transferred. Nemo dat quod non habet, and all that sort of thing..
It could be feasible that an order of some sort has been obtained to retain possession until court decides. However I don't think any additional costs incurred during this time could not be added to any monies already owed.

Trying hard to imagine this situation occurring :confused: but, who knows, there are some strange people about.
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I have heard of YO seizing assets including horses and sending them to market but I've never seen it myself and think the op is either a troll or a nightmare livery..
 
I'm inclined to agree with both Patterdale and effycorsten

.... And Queenbee, as I've also yet to hear of anyone retaining a horse and then adding to the bill anymore than basic care :/
 
Due to my horse being on the yard owners yard she has every right hold her until we go though courts to settle the bill that we don't owe! and as for people saying get bolt cutter and cut her out now its a hole different story we no longer know where my horse is, the police now where she is but aren't telling us we suspect she is at the farm of the yard owner but we have no clue where that is! we have been up to the yard to see if shes there and was told if we go up they have the right to arrest us for trespassing so as my mare is no longer there we have no reason to go their anymore! we have informed the RSPCA about all this and redwings and they both have to get back to us! we also have contacted a equine solicitor to help us get our horse and tack back!
 
I'm not sure how RSPCA or Redwings could help as strictly speaking it's not a horse welfare problem is it? If anything it's horse theft.

Where does one find an "equine solicitor"? I didn't know there was such a thing. :o

I'd be finding out what my rights are to see my horse and be reassured of its safety and wellbeing. :confused:
 
Sunshine said:
I would have thought that if the police had been involved originally and were quoting it to be a civil matter then they should have been equally likely to advise the YO that the outstanding debt was a civil matter, that the horse & tack should be released to owner and for YO to recoup losses via small claims (especially as no contract). Reading between the lines, IMO the reason the OP has had a less than satisfactory response from police is possibly because they didn't 'ask politely for the return of their property' and the claim of intimidation from YO possibly had some grounds when they returned with substantially built OH....
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the police have said due to the fact that she (my horse) was on her yard she has every right to keep her, they have described it as if you take your car to a garage and have some work done but you are not one hundred per cent happy with it the people at the garage have the right to cease the car, but my argument was that this is a living breathing thing and the police said due to it being a civial matter they cant help that.
 
I think there are plenty of people on here who would give you good advice if they were in pocession of the full facts...quite a number have asked how much money is owed according to the yo and what it is supposed to be for. Maybe if you could answer that question then people would be more informed and less hostile towards you op.
 
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