Laminitis? SOS

wills_91 said:
So sorry to read all this Michen.

By the sounds of it you've spent enough on Boggle & Atlas that could have bought you a house, you are forever seeking the best care for them regardless of cost. Nobody can question your dedication to your animals.

I hope you get some answers soon and should the outcome not be what you are wishing for I hope you can take comfort from knowing you have done far more than many others could (or would!) have done. Take care X
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Thank you! A house, a boat, retention of sanity....

Wouldn't trade any of that for them though ;)
 
jhoward said:
Why bring work and sales targets into it? We all know your driven and that's great.
And actually I think I was right to raise concerns over travelling him on the basis he's now in the vets.
Be as rude as you like it's a forum full of opinion and your upset and stressed and I get that too. But I'm not going to sugar coat things. And like everyone else can post my thoughts.
Weather any one agrees or not that's their choice.
Ultimately the horses well being and getting better , and you are the important things.

Any person that can throw ideas around isn't a bad thing you've had 2 horses drastically ill with few answers in a short space of time, somewhere out there, there has to be an answer who cares how it's found. As you've just said it's a guessing game.

I hope atlas tomorrow is showing more signs of improvement.
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Tbh you deserve the rudeness... You can be driven with your career and dedicated to your animals at the same time. Nobody could ever accuse Michen of being anything other than 100% committed to any animal in her care.
 
Just to be clear, Michen put a pause on the CA move when Atlas presented with symptoms of laminitis (then fever). Of course she wasn’t going to move him in that state! Perhaps jhoward misread the thread and the time lines. This forum can be a source of the most amazing help and support, and I know people can write what they like, but it pays off to read carefully, very carefully, and think about whatever you are going to write when someone is in the thick of a horrible situation. You don’t have to, of course, but there are times when it’s the right thing to do.

“Why not, at the end of the day, just be kind?”
 
Oh Michen, I so feel your pain with the sick animals on top of the logistical and emotional turmoil of moving. While in the midst of an extremely stressful house sale/purchase/move end of last year and beginning of this year we lost two dogs in the space of a week (one expected, one very much not), one of the rescue cats became suddenly very sick and had to be pts, Pebbles pony picked up a nasty cough and then the day before moving day Hetty was on three legs with an abscess that I had to try and clean and wrap in a bog of a field because stables were already cleared and inaccessible by that point.

Between that and a buying chain from hell, I was on my last shred of nerve and was an emotional wreck.

Your vets always sound absolutely top notch, so will keep everything crossed they can work some magic in the next couple of days and your cheery ginger fella can join you in CA x
 
jhoward said:
Why bring work and sales targets into it? We all know your driven and that's great.
And actually I think I was right to raise concerns over travelling him on the basis he's now in the vets.
Be as rude as you like it's a forum full of opinion and your upset and stressed and I get that too. But I'm not going to sugar coat things. And like everyone else can post my thoughts.
Weather any one agrees or not that's their choice.
Ultimately the horses well being and getting better , and you are the important things.

Any person that can throw ideas around isn't a bad thing you've had 2 horses drastically ill with few answers in a short space of time, somewhere out there, there has to be an answer who cares how it's found. As you've just said it's a guessing game.

I hope atlas tomorrow is showing more signs of improvement.
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I think it’s time to give it a rest.

I know Michen personally, she’s one of my best friends and I’ve known her through all the good and bad times she’s had with her horses, way before she became a presence on this forum. She is the most driven and dedicated person I know and she would never compromise her horses’ welfare for the sake of her job or a move or anything else.

She has always been incredibly open to considering all options, researching all the health conditions (honestly pretty sure she’s halfway to a vet degree now) etc etc. She’s asked people not to keep on speculating as it isn’t helping at the minute and he is receiving top quality care.

I think it is time to respect that. Everyone has a limit and the sheer accumulative stress she’s been under for the last god knows how long is enough to break anyone else.

@Michen tell me to STFU and delete this if you want, I don’t want to make you feel worse.
 
DabDab said:
Oh Michen, I so feel your pain with the sick animals on top of the logistical and emotional turmoil of moving. While in the midst of an extremely stressful house sale/purchase/move end of last year and beginning of this year we lost two dogs in the space of a week (one expected, one very much not), one of the rescue cats became suddenly very sick and had to be pts, Pebbles pony picked up a nasty cough and then the day before moving day Hetty was on three legs with an abscess that I had to try and clean and wrap in a bog of a field because stables were already cleared and inaccessible by that point.

Between that and a buying chain from hell, I was on my last shred of nerve and was an emotional wreck.

Your vets always sound absolutely top notch, so will keep everything crossed they can work some magic in the next couple of days and your cheery ginger fella can join you in CA x
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That sounds utterly horrific- goodness. I'm so sorry! Losing that many animals in a short space of time is horrific. You are a tough cookie to have negotiated all that and not lose your nerve completely. I feel you on the last shred of nerve thing. And sometimes it's not even the big thing that tips you over the edge.

I completely cracked yesterday, I'd rented a car to get to the barn as realised I left the truck keys in california (with my OH who was flying in later than me). I then lost said rental car keys in amongst the craziness of yesterday. So right now, my OH is dealing with the tow truck to return the rental car to Denver airport. That sounds like such a small stupid thing to be upset about but it was the final straw. I needed a sit on the floor with my hands in my face moment for a good 5 minutes.
 
Ahrena said:
I think it’s time to give it a rest.

I know Michen personally, she’s one of my best friends and I’ve known her through all the good and bad times she’s had with her horses, way before she became a presence on this forum. She is the most driven and dedicated person I know and she would never compromise her horses’ welfare for the sake of her job or a move or anything else.

She has always been incredibly open to considering all options, researching all the health conditions (honestly pretty sure she’s halfway to a vet degree now) etc etc. She’s asked people not to keep on speculating as it isn’t helping at the minute and he is receiving top quality care.

I think it is time to respect that. Everyone has a limit and the sheer accumulative stress she’s been under for the last god knows how long is enough to break anyone else.

@Michen tell me to STFU and delete this if you want, I don’t want to make you feel worse.
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Thanks matey ❤️
 
wills_91 said:
Tbh you deserve the rudeness... You can be driven with your career and dedicated to your animals at the same time. Nobody could ever accuse Michen of being anything other than 100% committed to any animal in her care.
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I don't care about the rudeness and tbh I didn't see it as that she was being frank, I have no issue with that. On any forum you have to accept people will have opinions if you don't like some don't post.
Im not mad keen on how much the price tag gets thrown around on this if I'm honest. Horses cost money we all know that. That's also why there is insurance.
(Works different in other countries I know)
But as I said way back, if the horses are having such an impact that it becomes a choice between the next big deal and the horse you love where's the line? If faced with having having to travel a lame horse for seven hours is a suck it up moment is that really ok? No personally I don't think it is.

M has had a fairly trauma filled few years she's under a massive load with work, and then keep moving, add in a partner dog etc, perhaps as I've said given the chance passing the reins to someone else (where viable and it's not a suggestion of passing on a problem atall) is the wise choice and there's no shame in it imo. Atlas ending up more poorly no one I expect thought was likely.
 
I lost three horses in six months, then my oldest dog went downhill and also died. I was starting to wonder what terrible things I must have done in a former life, to have such a big pile of crap in one go. It is like having all the brightness in your soul sucked out.

I can't imagine doing a long distance house move at the same time. Support is required here, not criticism.
 
The horse wasn’t lame when she arranged the move! These things take months of planning to come into fruition. Once the ball starts rolling, once contracts are signed, leases are broken etc, you simply can’t always stop it, can you?

Especially when to begin with, the lameness was presenting as an abscess.
This is why she prepared a back up option of finding a local barn she trusts where he can recuperate before travelling, once/if he is well enough to do so. Obviously since then things have changed again and right now he’s at the vets.
 
Michen said:
That sounds utterly horrific- goodness. I'm so sorry! Losing that many animals in a short space of time is horrific. You are a tough cookie to have negotiated all that and not lose your nerve completely. I feel you on the last shred of nerve thing. And sometimes it's not even the big thing that tips you over the edge.

I completely cracked yesterday, I'd rented a car to get to the barn as realised I left the truck keys in california (with my OH who was flying in later than me). I then lost said rental car keys in amongst the craziness of yesterday. So right now, my OH is dealing with the tow truck to return the rental car to Denver airport. That sounds like such a small stupid thing to be upset about but it was the final straw. I needed a sit on the floor with my hands in my face moment for a good 5 minutes.
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It's ok. It's totally ok to be over whelmed, one day your read your own post and and see the light in it.

Hell some of my posts go back to 2008
Even I can laugh about that one time like when I was married...seems like a life time ago!
 
Omg, just stop. Price tags are relevant. I have a good job, yes and I am privileged to be in a position to be able to do anything, but I'm not rolling around in cash enough to not miss or think about the thousands of dollars that this is costing, it HAS to be a consideration.

And thanks for the insurance dig, super helpful right now.

WTH are you talking about regarding a choice between a big deal and the horse? Where have I said that I have to choose? And as for travelling a lame horse, yes I was intending to do so with the vets blessing that it was ok- who'd seen the lameness himself. Actually, two vets. This is utterly ridiculous you are twisting and making things up that I've never said.

Enough, I'm putting you on UI and I hope you don't comment further.
 
Never thought I'd catch up on a thread and start hoping a horse has salmonella! Whatever he's got i would be doing the same as you and throwing £££ in an attempt to see if he can shake it off.

Given I've just had OH combing my fields for a lost phone I totally get losing keys when stressed too.

Have a virtual hug and know that everyone is willing Atlas to get better
 
Michen said:
That sounds utterly horrific- goodness. I'm so sorry! Losing that many animals in a short space of time is horrific. You are a tough cookie to have negotiated all that and not lose your nerve completely. I feel you on the last shred of nerve thing. And sometimes it's not even the big thing that tips you over the edge.

I completely cracked yesterday, I'd rented a car to get to the barn as realised I left the truck keys in california (with my OH who was flying in later than me). I then lost said rental car keys in amongst the craziness of yesterday. So right now, my OH is dealing with the tow truck to return the rental car to Denver airport. That sounds like such a small stupid thing to be upset about but it was the final straw. I needed a sit on the floor with my hands in my face moment for a good 5 minutes.
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Sounds pretty valid to me - during my horror move I cried over cleaning a skirting board. Started cleaning it, got overwhelmed by how much skirting board there was, had a cry.
 
jhoward said:
I don't care about the rudeness and tbh I didn't see it as that she was being frank, I have no issue with that. On any forum you have to accept people will have opinions if you don't like some don't post.
Im not mad keen on how much the price tag gets thrown around on this if I'm honest. Horses cost money we all know that. That's also why there is insurance.
(Works different in other countries I know)
But as I said way back, if the horses are having such an impact that it becomes a choice between the next big deal and the horse you love where's the line? If faced with having having to travel a lame horse for seven hours is a suck it up moment is that really ok? No personally I don't think it is.

M has had a fairly trauma filled few years she's under a massive load with work, and then keep moving, add in a partner dog etc, perhaps as I've said given the chance passing the reins to someone else (where viable and it's not a suggestion of passing on a problem atall) is the wise choice and there's no shame in it imo. Atlas ending up more poorly no one I expect thought was likely.
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For many people the cost of treatment is a factor and Michen was absolutely right to consider the cost of treatment with a horse with a guarded prognosis with regards future ability to work.

I also thought it was abundantly clear that she was not planning to move Atlas while he’s poorly. He got poorly and that threw a spanner in the works. He was intermittently lame but under the vet until this episode. The consideration in this thread was whether to treat at home, move to a busier local barn or go to the vets. All were entirely reasonable options.

I also did not get the impression work was significantly or relevantly affected. I personally think Michen is doing an incredible job of keeping going despite the issues the horses have thrown up and not once has she suggested her work is suffering. She didn’t make work performance a consideration so why should we be talking about it anyway? It’s personal and nobody’s business but hers.

What concerns me is that this type of personal comment, putting someone’s entire life under the microscope, discourages posting, not just by Michen but by anyone wanting to vent about or seek help regarding their horse’s health.
I for one would like to know how Atlas gets on, and equally I want to give comfort or support to future people wanting to discuss. I may be one of them in the future, who knows? I could have posted a few years ago when I decided to put my horse through colic surgery; you know what, when that happened I went to work. I expect I would have had my work performance scrutinised as well. My horse was also fully insured but the cost was still a factor since insurance has limits. I don’t think this type of thread should be discouraged but I can see people being put off by the responses you’ve made, repeatedly, in this thread.

I just think this approach is unnecessary and lacking in empathy. This thread didn’t call for a harsh (off base) “reality check”, especially since there has been vet involvement throughout, but even if you felt it did, I would think a private message more appropriate than the repeated public comments. I’m sure you didn’t mean to be too intrusive or cruel in your comments but several people now have indicated to you that you’ve crossed a line but you seem to be doubling down.
 
Please can we not kick someone when they are down. Especially when it's not something I have ever known the OP to do. She's done nothing to deserve it.

M you're very restrained in your replies to some people so good on you but UI is probably best.
Keep your head above water. Keep us updated when/if you have the energy. You're in a lot of people's thoughts x
 
I know that Michen goes above and beyond for her horses, and I know that Atlas is receiving the best care possible. He's so fortunate to be Michen's horse because she absolutely pours herself into her horses and does a lottttt for them.

It was abundantly clear that the moment he got sick he wouldn't be traveling. If the vets advised no travel, she wasn't going to travel him. In the beginning when she thought he had an abscess and would just be recovering from that, it was reasonable to consider traveling him with a vets blessing. Obviously and unfortunately, things have since escalated and the situation has changed.

Either way, I really hope that Atlas pulls through. He's such a character and such a beautiful horse.

I am so sorry that Michen's has to deal with this. She already had enough on her plate and Lord knows she's been dealt plenty a stressful time within the past few years that many people would not have made it through (which, we all have our limits, and that's fine).

Everything crossed for Atlas!
 
I really hope Atlas improves because he’s a young horse with a beautiful spirit. For what it’s worth I would have chosen the option you have chosen. That said, he’s a young horse who has already had a few issues and I would feel at peace with letting him go if things deteriorate from here. You have to draw a line somewhere and cost and likelihood of a good long-term outcome should absolutely be factors in your decision. You are always fastidious in caring for your animals and it’s so unfair you are going through this. Keeping everything crossed for you both🤞🏻
 
Hey thank you all I am reading and re reading your posts and I really do appreciate it even if I’m not directly replying to every one, know that I am very grateful.

I will update you for sure. I haven’t had a latest on his temp etc but his urine sample was good, no more protein leaking into it and the “casts” are much reduced. So that’s something.

He is tolerating his ice boots (unlike Bog who spent the entire time trying to remove his!) which are on all four feet so we really are being aggressive to try and prevent lami.

We will see which way he goes.
 
jhoward said:
I don't care about the rudeness and tbh I didn't see it as that she was being frank, I have no issue with that. On any forum you have to accept people will have opinions if you don't like some don't post.
Im not mad keen on how much the price tag gets thrown around on this if I'm honest. Horses cost money we all know that. That's also why there is insurance.
(Works different in other countries I know)
But as I said way back, if the horses are having such an impact that it becomes a choice between the next big deal and the horse you love where's the line? If faced with having having to travel a lame horse for seven hours is a suck it up moment is that really ok? No personally I don't think it is.

M has had a fairly trauma filled few years she's under a massive load with work, and then keep moving, add in a partner dog etc, perhaps as I've said given the chance passing the reins to someone else (where viable and it's not a suggestion of passing on a problem atall) is the wise choice and there's no shame in it imo. Atlas ending up more poorly no one I expect thought was likely.
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Rude, just rude.
 
Michen said:
Hey thank you all I am reading and re reading your posts and I really do appreciate it even if I’m not directly replying to every one, know that I am very grateful.

I will update you for sure. I haven’t had a latest on his temp etc but his urine sample was good, no more protein leaking into it and the “casts” are much reduced. So that’s something.

He is tolerating his ice boots (unlike Bog who spent the entire time trying to remove his!) which are on all four feet so we really are being aggressive to try and prevent lami.

We will see which way he goes.
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That’s a reasonably positive update. Everything crossed he continues in the right direction. I keep checking the thread.
 
All the vibes in the world for the little guy xxx

Sometimes the only choices in front of us are bad ones and we somehow have to figure out the least worst option / the option we can live with.

Really really hope that you catch the break that you are surely due soon.

For what it’s worth I would have trusted you with any horse I’ve ever had and there is a VERY small number of people I’d say that about
 
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