Laura Collett and Noble Bestman
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Swirlymurphy
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It's definitely not jealousy, that's for sure
My point was - and it goes for anyone who has any sort of business/client relationship with someone else - if you put negative comments into the public arena, you can expect some sort of reaction at some point. You might not know about it - it might be the job you applied for does not get offered to you; it might be the promotion you wanted so badly might go to someone else; or it might be that the owner of an event horse goes somewhere else. If you think that your prospective employer/client is not googling your name to see what comes out of the woodwork, you are naïve.
I have no beef with Laura - she's been through a tough year, and she's a very talented young rider. She just needs to manage her public output with a little more maturity in my view.
TarrSteps
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Interesting general article on the way things work now. http://careers.theguardian.com/careers-blog/google-online-searches
(The person interviewed is from the company that owns H&H and therefore this forum, funnily enough!)
Saying that "everyone does it" is not true. Professionals (and people who want to be professionals) manage their image quite closely now and, as they have always been, are careful about what they comment on - and what they don't comment on! Fans may find it attractive to follow someone who gives a warts and all play by play, but people who are investing their time/money/energy are usually less keen to take the risk that they will have their own business splashed all over the internet. There have been a few riders brought down by their behaviour and attitudes, although many more have survived scandals, usually by apologising and then shutting up!
The interest isn't about LC at all. It's about how fast word gets around and how little is "private" these days unless you actively work to keep it that way. Horses are big business now!
(The person interviewed is from the company that owns H&H and therefore this forum, funnily enough!)
Saying that "everyone does it" is not true. Professionals (and people who want to be professionals) manage their image quite closely now and, as they have always been, are careful about what they comment on - and what they don't comment on! Fans may find it attractive to follow someone who gives a warts and all play by play, but people who are investing their time/money/energy are usually less keen to take the risk that they will have their own business splashed all over the internet. There have been a few riders brought down by their behaviour and attitudes, although many more have survived scandals, usually by apologising and then shutting up!
The interest isn't about LC at all. It's about how fast word gets around and how little is "private" these days unless you actively work to keep it that way. Horses are big business now!
Baggybreeches
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Probably not the same but I am very conscious of the implications of social media on my career, I don't have a very important or high profile job but I do have a degree of professional integrity. I post a lot on FB but it is irreverent observations of my day ( usually animal related). Whatever we post can easily be brought up on a google search and I can honestly say that you would not find anything at all derogatory about a business ( British Gas excluded!) or a person on my page. I find the people who post veiled updates aimed at somebody else quite dull ( and usually it's because they lack the brave pants to confront the person so they settle for cowardly digs which can be joined in on by their friends) and not at all business like.
Feel free to google Elaine Curran and tell me different
Feel free to google Elaine Curran and tell me different
Caol Ila
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The sad thing is that it isn't that hard to control your online image. Think about what you're writing on Facebook or Twitter and make sure you understand the privacy settings on the website.
When I got married, I didn't take my husband's name in "real life" but I have done on Facebook, so if a potential employer or whatever wanted to find me, they probably couldn't (pictures you're tagged in will still show up if your friend's pages aren't totally locked down). I also have everything set on "friends only" and the "find me on Google" function turned off.
When I got married, I didn't take my husband's name in "real life" but I have done on Facebook, so if a potential employer or whatever wanted to find me, they probably couldn't (pictures you're tagged in will still show up if your friend's pages aren't totally locked down). I also have everything set on "friends only" and the "find me on Google" function turned off.
RunToEarth
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I like LC, I'm a fan, I think she's a decent rider and she has had a tough year. I do not think she is doing herself any favours and often I cringe at the stuff on fb, I'm not sure how amusing I would find her if I were the owner funding her rides, especially with the rant quoted by posters above.
Social media is a liability or asset to every single business out there and which of those it becomes depends on how you use it. I do not put anything work related on my social media, I leave the marketing team to use it as an asset and I try not to use it as a noose, which a lot of people do (how many people winge about their colleagues under their own name on FB?)
LC can choose to use any of her social media to boost her name or to drag it through the sh@t...currently she seems to be doing the latter.
TarrSteps
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It's trickier for me as I work in horses, so the line between personal and professional is much thinner. People have to invest in "me" not just my skills, because of the kind of work I often do, and so I think it's right they know a bit about me as a person, not just my work. I try to think before I post anything "Would a potential client be put off by this?" just as I hope I would if I was talking to people in a professional capacity. If the answer is "Yes" then I have to decide if that is a good thing or a bad thing - sometimes giving people a heads up that you won't be a good fit for them is actually helpful!
TarrSteps
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maccachic
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I don't really get why people feel the need to put so much rubbish on facebook talk to your friends instead.
oldvic
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The world class programme is supposed to be about business advice and how you promote yourself as much as training. As LC is on this programme either she is ignoring the advice or not getting it. She is 25 yrs old - old enough to be married, have a family and be considered an adult so her age is not an excuse. Maybe she needs to take a good hard look at herself and do something about it. Whether someone approached the owners or not, if they were truly satisfied they could have said no so quite possibly a different rider was an attractive proposition. After all, the Walkers have done an awful lot for Laura but memories are short at times.
There is a school of thought that says those that shout about themselves most have least to offer.
There is a school of thought that says those that shout about themselves most have least to offer.
Goldenstar
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Me too , I don't get FB it just seems to cause a lot of trouble .
I am told its my age , my friends however tell me it's excellent for stalking your children.
TarrSteps
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Or, I'm told, potential employees!
I am a fan of fb, even more so since I have actual real life friends on three continents. I talk to my friends on facebook. Privately.
Goldenstar
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Or, I'm told, potential employees!
I am a fan of fb, even more so since I have actual real life friends on three continents. I talk to my friends on facebook. Privately.
My groom is threatening to teach me how to use my page properly as long a s I promise not to say things like why does my groom not do xy and z when I ask her.
TarrSteps
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This is probably where I should admit I have been known to Google potential clients . . .
Only, I hasten to add, with very positive results!!
Kiribati_uk
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Think I need to jump on this cyber stalking bandwagon.............I'm missing out on gossip
I'm well slow with this, I only use FB to talk to my friends(people I actually know in reallife!)
How on earth did people manage in the dark ages, ie 20yrs ago.............Oh yea we SPOKE to people.......SHOCK HORROR,
It freaks me out slightly how people can find out so much about people by just googling them!!
TarrSteps
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Only if you put it out there.
The horse world has always run on gossip, there is no denying that. But WRITING on the internet is PUBLISHING. Literally and legally. Once it's written down it's never going to go away.
I know you are making a joke but, as I said, stalking is something different. People using search engines to find out about the people they do business with, potential employees, prospective partners of various types is just business as usual now and not only acceptable but to be expected. The genie is not going back in the bottle. I just don't get how people who have grown up with it don't get that??
Lolo
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It freaks me out how naive people (especially young people- under 25s) are about social media and the internet. If someone asks me to do a favour for them, in any capacity, I google them first, and look them up on FB. It's easy and fast and can be a very good indicator of what that person is like.
I also mostly use FB to talk to my friends. But I'm pretty savvy and my profile is locked down- you can't see anything beyond my name, my profile picture and my cover photo. My siblings are the same because they are sensible and careful.
FWIW, I find it utterly hilarious you're bemoaning FB and virtual friends whilst using an internet forum Personally, I prefer how it was 150 years ago when letters were the best. But my parents are far more old school, they prefer the 770 (BC) when homing pigeons were the safest option... Times change andif you're going to use social media of any form you need to be savvy about it.
I also mostly use FB to talk to my friends. But I'm pretty savvy and my profile is locked down- you can't see anything beyond my name, my profile picture and my cover photo. My siblings are the same because they are sensible and careful.
FWIW, I find it utterly hilarious you're bemoaning FB and virtual friends whilst using an internet forum
Personally, I prefer how it was 150 years ago when letters were the best. But my parents are far more old school, they prefer the 770 (BC) when homing pigeons were the safest option... Times change andif you're going to use social media of any form you need to be savvy about it.MillionDollar
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Avocadosalad
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Ditto! Exactly this
Agree with this, too.
But our GB young riders are just that. Young. Often they are let down with older, incompetent staff who should be able to guide and advise these potential superstars.
Surely we all want the likes of LC and others to fly, and lift medals for team GBR. They just need t be surrounded by better advisors, better staff.
TarrSteps
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I've said all I have to say, but, to be fair, the young riders on the Pathway/WC program DO have good people advising them and LC has a particularly media savvy mentor. It's neither here nor there to this discussion but it is certainly an area that gets covered in lottery funded training, even if a rider's personal support staff is not as clued up, in case people were wondering if it's a subject the powers that be consider worth considering.
oldvic
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But she is not a young rider, she is a senior rider and not eligible for young rider competitions. There comes a time when people have to stand up and be counted, take responsibility for themselves and their actions. It is no good trying to blame her staff - they are just that, her employees, unless one has the job description of nanny. She runs her own business and has been on the world class programme for several years so she has help and advice from a selection of people who are presumably considered at the top of their respective areas of expertise. All this is funded by sport GB (the lottery) and her recovery programme was funded by them and the British Olympic Association.
She is not the first person to lose the ride on a horse and won't be the last. I am equally certain that if she was offered someone else's top ride she would take it without hesitation.
Puppy
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http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news...BAllora&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
It looks like she's parting ways with Allora too.
It looks like she's parting ways with Allora too.
JJCS
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So all of you slagging someone you have never met off online is different how?
She is one of the hardest working riders, and yes she may like to have fun, but has never has a day off with it! Twitter if a great way to brake down the barriers between top riders and fans, and show they aren't all robots! If any of you have ever been to a 3 day then you would know…. They are WILD and even the TOP riders are WILD!
Regarding owners, her owners have clearly told her some has approached them, and it is treading on other peoples toes, if an owner chooses to move a horse then that’s fine, but it isn't nice when some try’s to steal the ride off you!
Regarding not tweeting about Kauto every day, owners have an agreement if they want their horses tweeted about, so she only give updates every now and then.
If you don’t like to see people enjoying them self them I suggest you unfollow her and forget about it rather than hiding behind your computers!
She is one of the hardest working riders, and yes she may like to have fun, but has never has a day off with it! Twitter if a great way to brake down the barriers between top riders and fans, and show they aren't all robots! If any of you have ever been to a 3 day then you would know…. They are WILD and even the TOP riders are WILD!
Regarding owners, her owners have clearly told her some has approached them, and it is treading on other peoples toes, if an owner chooses to move a horse then that’s fine, but it isn't nice when some try’s to steal the ride off you!
Regarding not tweeting about Kauto every day, owners have an agreement if they want their horses tweeted about, so she only give updates every now and then.
If you don’t like to see people enjoying them self them I suggest you unfollow her and forget about it rather than hiding behind your computers!
popsdosh
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No body is hiding behind their computers and I say nothing I would not say to their face. I will happily tell her next time we meet up!
It is not a professional way of going on im afraid wishing to use social media to big yourself up and run down previous owners publicly it is professional suicide in my opinion and the quickest way to lose friends in the horse world.
Other riders may try and get rides!!!! Of course LC has never gone behind other peoples backs for rides!!!! Perhaps she needs to get over it and realize the horses would not leave if the owners are happy and this petty attitude does not help the owners she still has or prospective ones feel easy about her!!
It is not a professional way of going on im afraid wishing to use social media to big yourself up and run down previous owners publicly it is professional suicide in my opinion and the quickest way to lose friends in the horse world.
Other riders may try and get rides!!!! Of course LC has never gone behind other peoples backs for rides!!!! Perhaps she needs to get over it and realize the horses would not leave if the owners are happy and this petty attitude does not help the owners she still has or prospective ones feel easy about her!!
Dusty85
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On a side note-- has anyone noticed that she has now changed her privacy settings on FB? only limited things can be seen. Maybe a little too late though- I think the damage has already been done!
JJCS
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What is the difference between her tweeting about her social life and a celebrity? Its not effecting riding and she has some very supportive owners, hence they told her someone wants a horse bought! And the upset between her and the walkers has been brewing for a long time, it's quite stressful riding for someone at the best of times and also being based at their yard makes it a lot harder!
Dusty85
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There is no difference.
I would say exactly the same things about any person who could be in a position as a role model for younger people.
It obviously is affecting her riding if she's loosing good horses!
JJCS
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Noble Bestman won't event again and Allora is currently for sale.
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Lolo
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If I were Laura, I'd be quite upset you posted this you know. Everything 'public' has been very civil- mutual agreement and needing to move on to develop, etc. Very obviously not that civil, but publicly very much so.
Posting on the largest UK horse forum that problems had been brewing for months is probably not wise.
oldvic
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If this is a stupid question I apologise but if Noble Bestman is never going to event again then why all the vitriol about losing the ride and someone trying to take the ride? It happens even to the best but if the owners are happy with how they are treated and how their horse is being ridden then there is no problem. When you are in someone else's yard then you have to play by their rules, like it or not.
I don't think anybody is bothered whether Laura has any days off or not but to say she doesn't is not true - she has put on twitter that she has gone to London for the weekend.
I don't think anybody is bothered whether Laura has any days off or not but to say she doesn't is not true - she has put on twitter that she has gone to London for the weekend.