Lets justify Hunting for sport!:)

AnaV said:
After nearly 500 posts you have failed yourselves. I did not want to say this but you 'for' hunting for sheer sport are pathetic with your petty excuses.
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'I did not want to say this' either, but honestly how stupid are you? Do you want to keep creating discordant discussions? Yeah, I think we all *just about* get your views and what you believe but was there really any point after eight tension free days without emails popping up in my mailbox to try and start this all over again? Really?

I totally agree with what GG has just written, and to be quite honest at the moment my opinion of you as a person is low. Mainly for this *pathetic* (note the use) attempt to try to 'stir' and irritate people all over again... We've had over 450 posts on this drivel on a thread which you originally produced; please, enough is enough - this is a topic which is never, ever going to have an answer to! Just leave it before you embarrass yourself even more;)
 
AnaV said:
After nearly 500 posts you have failed yourselves. I did not want to say this but you 'for' hunting for sheer sport are pathetic with your petty excuses.
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AnaV you failed to answer any questions put to you you only gave your pre organised brain washed propaganda hope your vegi burgers were bought from Tesco
 
Last time I posted I had no reply.

Wrong you are Vulpinator, for if you read closely you will find I have answered all questions related to my thread.
What you have simply proven to me is that you people cannot justify why you kill animals for sport with actual reasons.
You cannot however, fill a cup which is already full-try I might-I wanted to round off my thread for you incompetent ones.
 
AnaV said:
Last time I posted I had no reply.

Wrong you are Vulpinator, for if you read closely you will find I have answered all questions related to my thread.
What you have simply proven to me is that you people cannot justify why you kill animals for sport with actual reasons.
You cannot however, fill a cup which is already full-try I might-I wanted to round off my thread for you incompetent ones.
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You're just plain rude sweetheart...good luck in life :-)
 
AnaV said:
What you have simply proven to me is that you people cannot justify why you kill animals for sport with actual reasons.
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Oh dear. I told you about five times that we don't 'kill animals for sport'. We follow their scent using a pack of hounds for sport. Why can't people understand this? The hounds then kill the animal, which is their own reward (hounds hunt for a reward). The killing of foxes is justified completely.
People who go hunting take no pleasure in the death of the animal-other than it being a marker of a good hunt. If all we wanted to do was 'kill stuff', there are plenty of other ways in which we could do it. Using a pack of hounds isn't much fun if you want to actually get to see something killed!

Anyway, this is getting boring now. I doubt you will listen to me.
 
I don't understand how hunting (ie taking part in and enjoying a process of chasing an animal which may or may not end with the death of the animal) for sport is in any way different to shooting for sport, fishing, horse racing or eating meat....
 
Countryman-
Shooting for sport is part of my opposition to you. Yet, horse racing and eating meat have nothing to do with my thread. Please go elsewhere to change the subject.
 
But... you say it's awful to take pleasure from the chase of a fox, therefore causing fear, and the death - what about the theory of racing being activating the flight response, ie all the other horses are running, the jockeys want to run, there must be something to run from, aka fear? And then the myriad of problems that racehorses suffer? (I am not pro-hunt, this just popped into my head and I wondered as to your response!)
 
happyhunter123 said:
Oh dear. I told you about five times that we don't 'kill animals for sport'. We follow their scent using a pack of hounds for sport. Why can't people understand this?
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People can't understand it because it is pure semantics. There is no necessity to kill foxes in order to follow a scent with a pack of hounds for sport. I do it every Saturday that I can get out.

The fact that you choose to follow a scent which will inevitably end up in foxes being killed makes it absolutely indistinguishable in practice, as opposed to semantics, whether you kill animals for sport or follow scent for sport.
 
AnaV said:
Countryman-
Shooting for sport is part of my opposition to you. Yet, horse racing and eating meat have nothing to do with my thread. Please go elsewhere to change the subject.
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AnaV, do you honestly not realise that we would like YOU to go elsewhere if you want to spend all your time spouting nonsense??? Why not go on an anti-hunt forum where you can all talk rubbish together?

Seriously what on earth was the point of you coming on here and asking all these questions when you knew all along that you were not prepared to listen to anyone's argument as you had already made up your mind? Did you REALLY believe that you would persuade people on here that they were all wrong and you were right? Surely it was obvious to you after a few pages that the arguments were going nowhere, so why keep it up?

I was a town-dweller, actually I was born on a council estate and lived there for many years. I was very anti-hunting for most of my life. But there is a fundamental difference between me and you. I was prepared to look, listen and learn. And as a result I changed my view.

So if you seriously think that you stand any chance of persuading me with your silly arguments you are very much mistaken. Been there, done that. I've done the whole 'How cruel! Chasing a fox and killing it! OK they kill chickens, but that's natural!' thing, and I have moved on.

As for you having 'answered' all the questions put to you, yes of course you have answered them. It's just that your answers are based on a total misunderstanding of fundamentals, all mixed up with bits you have 'googled'. So quite honestly they're not worth listening to. Your 'answer' about foxes taking newborn lambs was utterly ridiculous. I breed Balwen sheep, they are quite a rare breed - and they are very small compared to most breeds (Google it if you need further info). A fox could easily take one, regardless of whether it was sick or fighting fit. I can bring the ewes in to lamb, but they will need to go out to graze very soon afterwards. I cannot camp out on the moor and/or stay awake 24/7. And no, I am NOT prepared to look after my sheep and take care of them as I do just so that one of the local population of foxes - which is out of control, by the way - can have a meal.

By the way, my husband shoots foxes. He doesn't do it for sport, he does it to control pests. So the original question - about hunting for sport - is redundant. You think foxes are lovely, wonderful and can kill and eat exactly what they want. I don't. End of. Now go away. Please.
 
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Nancykitt,

such a sensible and practical post, except for one small point; you're arguing with someone who I suspect has yet to become a teenager, who despite their claims, has the IQ of a budgie, and who can't string together one single sentence which is able to rely upon fact, for support.

It must be obvious to everyone by now, that AnaV's claimed knowledge, experience and hypothesised nonsense, would either support her very well as a Troll, or a fool.

Best that this thread is cast adrift, I'd suggest.

Alec.
 
cptrayes said:
People can't understand it because it is pure semantics. There is no necessity to kill foxes in order to follow a scent with a pack of hounds for sport. I do it every Saturday that I can get out.

The fact that you choose to follow a scent which will inevitably end up in foxes being killed makes it absolutely indistinguishable in practice, as opposed to semantics, whether you kill animals for sport or follow scent for sport.
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Semantics? Really? Would you also suggest that a lothario would be happy to spend his life, following a "scent"? Unlikely, I'd suggest. We all need our rewards, and that includes hounds. ;)

Alec.
 
Apologies, Alec, it was not meant to come over as a further argument (although I admit I did stray into that territory!), but as a sort of 'why did you bother, now go away' type of post.
I'm sure that no matter what any fox did the OP would still be defending their 'right to life'. For anyone arguing under this rather strange hypothesis, I still can't see what gives foxes more of a right to life than anything they are killing, and the to-ing and fro-ing between the 'nature' argument and the 'present day' argument - as suits the OP - is driving me mad. Let's hope that's the end of it!
 
It cant be justified. Its just down right inhuman. Hunting an animal to death is not exceptable in todays society. People who do it just find reasons to justify a sick sport.
 
Gone hunting said:
It cant be justified. Its just down right inhuman. Hunting an animal to death is not exceptable in todays society. People who do it just find reasons to justify a sick sport.
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What sort of idiot writes something 8 years late don't you realise the ban is here we only hunt a rag covered in fox piss wake up and smell the snow prefferably the yellow patches then crawl back under your rock
 
If I could just pick you up on a small point Alec, you say either a troll or a fool. I would suggest in this case the two aren't mutually exclusive.
 
Gone hunting said:
Because i hunt legally with the draghounds. It is brilliant fun and hey we dont need to kill anything
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Yes, I hunt LEGALLY by following a trail, it is indeed very good fun and no foxes get killed.
You have just proved the point made many, many times in this thread that the Field are not there for the killing and don't take any pleasure in it.

However, my husband shoots foxes because there is a clear need to control the population in this area. This is also LEGAL. It is a separate activity to riding out with the hunt but the end product, pre-ban, was similar.

You don't 'need' to kill something to have fun. The fun comes from the fast cross-country ride, the friendship shared, etc etc. But we DO need to control foxes. Sorry, but we do. My husband doesn't take any pleasure in it, just as he doesn't enjoy humanely dispatching our home-bred geese, or similar activity.

So you can see why most of us don't think that this legislation makes any sense. I don't engage in any illegal activity and neither does my husband. But we still kill foxes.
 
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Gone hunting said:
Because i hunt legally with the draghounds. It is brilliant fun and hey we dont need to kill anything
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Look we don't knock your drag hunting so don't knock our sport after all hunting a bloke wearing a dress is what you want do in your spare time is not everyone's cup of tea either.
 
Vulpinator said:
What sort of idiot writes something 8 years late don't you realise the ban is here we only hunt a rag covered in fox piss wake up and smell the snow prefferably the yellow patches then crawl back under your rock
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I can, but won't on a public forum though I have previously PMd Judgemental, name you five fox hunts just about within travelling distance of me, which are openly (to the field) hunting fox.

If your hunt is sticking to the law, it might even be in a minority, who knows?
 
Gone hunting said:
At least we arent breaking the law
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And in your little world and tiny mind any one who does nt hu t men wearing dresses is! How do you justify hunting transvestits. Poor little confused men what have they done to deserve being chased by big doggies and women in breeches that's cruel.
 
Vulpinator said:
And in your little world and tiny mind any one who does nt hu t men wearing dresses is! How do you justify hunting transvestits. Poor little confused men what have they done to deserve being chased by big doggies and women in breeches that's cruel.
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I think you'll find even transvestite men wouldn't mind being chased by women in breeches and leather boots :D
 
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