Lightbulb moment

[sbloom]

To suggest that a lame horse should be asked to do things without saying that I put from that horses vet is completely unethical.
If thats what’s happening this programme has to go into the snake oil category I am afraid .

There might be people out there saying what Dexter says their saying, what others are saying it is can't be controlled, but it is not how the course is spoken about by those in it or those delivering it. Nothing is black and white, and many horses on the programme get referred to vets either right at the beginning if they post an initial post for assessment/recommendations, or later on if, with a horse that doesn't appear to have had vet-level issues, when such an issue is revealed.

There are many horses on there though where they have been seen by countless bodyworkers and vets to no avail, and some horses are improved massively on the course. How does one talk about that? Unless you think Celeste a liar she works with vets in her area, especially when they can't get to the root of a problem.

I do not think she's perfect, I do not put her on a pedestal and am prepared to be disappointed (to an extent I was a little disappointed at how she dealt with some issues unrelated to the training itself) but until I see something else that helps horse AND their owners in such a way (after all it's so often US that need the help first), or see horses being harmed, I'll keep recommending it.

I'm also disappointed that she's had abuse against her on social media, and against her family.

10 years ago I was ridiculed within saddle fitting for saying that napping during a saddle fitting was just a horse being naughty, and have taken flack for all sorts of stuff over the years. My shoulders are broad (they have to be to be a saddle fitter). It'll all come out in the wash, one way or another.

 

[Jango]

I would try turning her away, not on your yard but somewhere where all the horses live out and nothing is ridden. The vast majority do settle to just be horses in that kind of environment. Give her 6 months and see how you are both getting on. If you can afford it and she's happy leave her there, if she isnt/you can't I would put to sleep. She is in pain (combination of physical and mental) and it doesn't seem very fixable (given everything you've tried). I'm sorry, it's really hard.

 

[claracanter]

I know time is precious, but I too would advocate turning her away for at least 6 moths? Let Dr. Green do her job. If you could find a retirement herd that might be ideal. I know of one in Suffolk. Just let her be a horse.Works wonders for a lot of horses with issues.

 

[Red-1]

To suggest that a lame horse should be asked to do things without saying that I put from that horses vet is completely unethical.
If thats what’s happening this programme has to go into the snake oil category I am afraid .

I had a look at the programme, was allowed to have a look at the FB page, and it seems that they start by standing still and learning to lower their heads? In an effort to learn to relax? Then presumably learn to lean into their quarters? Then, once that is all established, learn to walk with head lowered?

I'm sure @sbloom would have more information, as she is the person reccomending BTM (or whatever it is called) the most, but if it is as I think, most horses could manage to lower their heads and relax at halt.

I looked but thought that it was a bot faffy for me TBH. I looked at before and after photos and couldn't see what the others could. I dare say that it is fabulous, but I don't have the technical observation required to do it without some 1-1 in person help!