Lottie frys test…

tristar

Well-Known Member
Joined
23 August 2010
Messages
6,586
Visit site
This is something that I don't quite understand. It isn't exactly rare that certain movements in certain tests do not meet the criteria set for awarding high marks/executing the movement correctly, yet 9.9 or other marks above 9 are given. I've seen this with piaffe quite a bit.

So if you aren't using the FEI definition/criteria to judge movements and award points, what are you using?

agree

heres another cat in pigeons

just a notion really, are a lot of warmblood breeders are trying to breed a W B with the characteristics of an iberian horse and the leg throwing thing is coming as a suedo iberian movement
 

Rowreach

Adjusting my sails
Joined
13 May 2007
Messages
17,854
Location
Northern Ireland
Visit site
I was getting very, very annoyed at the armchair riders on that video. I got the boss to take it down because Nina did not deserve the bashing she was getting. I also agree about the soundness thing which is a whole other kettle of fish.

At the end of the day Arthur found the whole thing way too much to handle. Nona did the best she could with what she had and to me she did nothing wrong. Its hard under such pressure at such a prestigious show to hand a horse back saying it lame whilst it is also being a complete twat. I really felt for her.

Omg I was so relieved it got taken down, the comments were horrendous ?
 

Cortez

Tough but Fair
Joined
17 January 2009
Messages
15,576
Location
Ireland
Visit site
agree

heres another cat in pigeons

just a notion really, are a lot of warmblood breeders are trying to breed a W B with the characteristics of an iberian horse and the leg throwing thing is coming as a suedo iberian movement
Erm, what? Spanish/Lusitano horses don't "leg throw", as in do the flick-y thing in the extended movements - if that's what you mean? They tend to be much rounder and higher when moving when compared to many WB's.
 
Joined
28 February 2011
Messages
16,449
Visit site
Omg I was so relieved it got taken down, the comments were horrendous ?

As much as I wanted to say something as my own profile on there (couldn't justify doing it as the LRR page as I was not at Dublin) I couldn't as a few of the bad mouthers are owners in the yard and some are staff. Who I will be speaking to when I get back there on Friday! Bunch of idiots ?
 

Rowreach

Adjusting my sails
Joined
13 May 2007
Messages
17,854
Location
Northern Ireland
Visit site
As much as I wanted to say something as my own profile on there (couldn't justify doing it as the LRR page as I was not at Dublin) I couldn't as a few of the bad mouthers are owners in the yard and some are staff. Who I will be speaking to when I get back there on Friday! Bunch of idiots ?

Who'd be a ride judge, a thankless task, not an honour.
 

Michen

Well-Known Member
Joined
22 January 2014
Messages
12,149
Visit site
Well I don’t know what a dressage warm up at that level would look like but I’m fairly sure it wouldn’t top the horrors I saw at Longines warm up yesterday.

Deeply disturbing, I think high level showjumping has to be the worst sport of all for horse welfare. I couldn’t believe what I saw :( Of course there was some lovely riding and partnerships but they were the minority in the warm up. Urgh- what we do to these animals.
 

tristar

Well-Known Member
Joined
23 August 2010
Messages
6,586
Visit site
Erm, what? Spanish/Lusitano horses don't "leg throw", as in do the flick-y thing in the extended movements - if that's what you mean? They tend to be much rounder and higher when moving when compared to many WB's.

i said the leg thing is what the warmbloods do, and is it an attempt to develop something eventually to rival the iberian, and combine the look in one horse, ie have all the best qualities of all competing stud books in a warmblood
 

Cortez

Tough but Fair
Joined
17 January 2009
Messages
15,576
Location
Ireland
Visit site
not jealous, its good for the young to experience something they may later be able to pass on to others, ideas, feel, other schools of training
Riding schoolmasters is how most young people learn in places like Spain and Portugal, and is why the tradition is so strong there - and why there are so many truly educated riders there.
 

tristar

Well-Known Member
Joined
23 August 2010
Messages
6,586
Visit site
Riding schoolmasters is how most young people learn in places like Spain and Portugal, and is why the tradition is so strong there - and why there are so many truly educated riders there.


many are on trained horses so young, the youngest i saw was three years old, on daddy`s stallion for their first sit on a horse, that was in france, all iberian yard
 

oldie48

Well-Known Member
Joined
15 April 2013
Messages
7,055
Location
South Worcestershire
Visit site
i said the leg thing is what the warmbloods do, and is it an attempt to develop something eventually to rival the iberian, and combine the look in one horse, ie have all the best qualities of all competing stud books in a warmblood
Surely Iberian horses, especially the PRE have always been used in breeding Central European Warmbloods like the Selle Francais, Danish WB etc. Nothing new here and arabs and TBs have been used to refine some of the Iberian breeds. It's how selective breeding works but perhaps I have misunderstood your post?
 

tristar

Well-Known Member
Joined
23 August 2010
Messages
6,586
Visit site
Surely Iberian horses, especially the PRE have always been used in breeding Central European Warmbloods like the Selle Francais, Danish WB etc. Nothing new here and arabs and TBs have been used to refine some of the Iberian breeds. It's how selective breeding works but perhaps I have misunderstood your post?

not recently though?

i was thinking on the lines of breeding a warmblood that can rival the naturally classical abilities of the
iberian horse without direct injections of that blood now, trying to replicate

the selle francais is a fairly recent stud book and there is all sorts in there and the emphasis seems to be on S J

i was talking about current breeding
 

Cortez

Tough but Fair
Joined
17 January 2009
Messages
15,576
Location
Ireland
Visit site
not recently though?

i was thinking on the lines of breeding a warmblood that can rival the naturally classical abilities of the
iberian horse without direct injections of that blood now, trying to replicate

the selle francais is a fairly recent stud book and there is all sorts in there and the emphasis seems to be on S J

i was talking about current breeding
Comparing the movement of the traditional PRE or PSL horse with the modern dressage WB is very apples vs oranges though. The PRE is extremely uphill and rounded, with minimal involvement of the back, whilst the WB is extremely long in the stride and very elastic, with hyper freedom of the shoulders and a very active back. There have been many WB X PRE crosses - I have ridden several myself, and they are really not a good mix, being neither one thing or the other. Unfortunately some PRE breeders are busily working to change the traditional type and produce more "dressage" movement, and increasing the size too, neither of which are popular with me. If I wanted to get back into serious dressage competition (I don't!) I would most certainly buy a WB, and leave the Spanish horse to be his glorious self.
 

tristar

Well-Known Member
Joined
23 August 2010
Messages
6,586
Visit site
i must say i do not like the pre x w b not ridden one and don`t want to

wb`s have been ridden with a heavy seat, germanic possibly to motivate them and can take the weight on their backs

i always go by the pre thing `no back no horse` and often try to sit light not caring what it looks like if it helps the horse, and the pre can be more forward than the older type wbs, but the newer style wb is hotter looking and lighter in general

of course they move differently but are they trying to steal the dressage crown with all the leg movements

i deplore attempts to alter the original pre breed it would, may be, need altered conformation to accommodate a different way of moving

i`d like to see instead more adherence to the FEI rules, around classical interpretation of tests presented

and am coming to your conclusion, that iberians may be better to just revel in their own glory and not be funneled into somewhere they don`t need to go, to prove something that they don`t need to prove

but i would never buy a warmblood intentionally, accidently i have, to compete i would buy a horse that suited me and that would have to be luso or pre and go anyway

my ambition is to ride a horse like oxidado with the great agility
 
Top