AmyMay
Situation normal
I can, I’d imagine only a third (possibly) would make the grade. So you’d have to account for a failure rate I suspect.
Many tears rescue
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I can, I’d imagine only a third (possibly) would make the grade. So you’d have to account for a failure rate I suspect.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
I can, easily. Maybe not all from exactly the same breeder but will have been sourced together. My old trainer took 20 dogs to the middle east about ten years ago for a private client who just wanted impressive looking dogs patrolling their compound.
There are kennels in Europe which have whole blocks aimed at particular countries'/Governments needs.
DirectorFury
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In an article in WalesOnline MTAR are quoted as saying the dogs were bred to fulfil a government contract for drug and bomb sniffer dogs - I assume they were destined for the MOD - and the contract was cancelled at short notice.
I’ve always been iffy of MTAR since the time they fundraised to let one of their grooms keep/buy one of the rescue horses because they HaD sUcH a SpEcIaL bOnD. It didn’t (and still doesn’t) sit right.
Christmascinnamoncookie
Fais pas chier!
Well, you learn something every day! I’d love to hear from eg Guide dogs for the Blind about how many puppies they breed at a time. Fascinating place, this. I honestly learn something every day.
Christmascinnamoncookie
Fais pas chier!
Just makes me think more of an effort should have been made to find relevant homes.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Guide Dogs have their own breeding programme and a network of walkers/raisers/contacts if the dogs don't work out. A lot of smaller assistance dog charities are aware of what pedigrees/lines work for certain roles and there's a lot of recommendation/exchange of suitable dogs between them all.
Archangel
Normal, 10 cats ago
If Labrador puppies are selling at £1.5k, why would £75k of puppies just be given to a rescue? Even if the breeder was compensated for a broken contact, would you really let £75k worth of dogs go for nothing? Seems odd to me.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
I have no knowledge of this particular case, but it is a lot of young dogs to look after and feed, there's probably no experience in selling to the public en masse/no time to individually homecheck and they maybe have to free up kennels, which are probably private/not open to public anyway, for good reason if they are supplying to military clients.
DabDab
Ah mud, splendid
On the assumption that the MoD commissions the production of dogs with the same sort of contacts that they commission the production of other equipment, they have probably already paid for them and technically owned them. So likely that MoD would have specified where they went to next, rather than the breeder.
Clodagh
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At least they are old enough, just, that Lucy’s law doesn’t apply.
I heard they were from a puppy farm who had a service contract. The truth is probably out there, but well buried.
I heard they were from a puppy farm who had a service contract. The truth is probably out there, but well buried.
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
You wouldn't actually need many Lab bitches to get 50/60pups. When my parents bought their first dog, the breeder had 2 sisters with a litter each, there were 24 pups to choose from.
MurphysMinder
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It’s not necessarily MOD . Some years back there was a very lucrative trade in Gsd to overseas governments .
AmyMay
Situation normal
Let’s hope those that cancelled the contracts are supporting their care whilst at MT.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
There's lots of private concerns as well, that jobs are contracted out to.
Someone I know was almost off to Libya before the current unrest developed.
SusieT
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To be fair- it's not that surprising they don't want to rehome to working homes. Many working dogs while they are stimulated during the work can live in kennels/without family comforts . And at the end of their working life they are not always retired gracefully. Often working dog owners have a lower tolerance for e.g. treating chronic illness etc.
To be clear, many working dogs are well looked after but there is a lot who are also not, or only while they work well.
However, there are many 'experienced' gundog trainers who still believe in force. Additionally those motivated to start rescue charities rarely support blood sports.
To be clear, many working dogs are well looked after but there is a lot who are also not, or only while they work well.
However, there are many 'experienced' gundog trainers who still believe in force. Additionally those motivated to start rescue charities rarely support blood sports.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
There are any number of jobs and sports that come under 'working' that don't involve killing things, force training and kennel life, though.
Moobli
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And by the same token there are many non working homes who neglect, abuse and ignore their pet dogs. Surely it makes sense to judge each case on its own merit.
druid
Well-Known Member
My partially kennelled gundogs are a damn sight happier and healthier than many of the pets I see and treat quite frankly. Enmasse banning of working homes is stopping a lot of these dogs from finding an appropriate home.
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Clodagh
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I think tbf that Many Tears have only stipulated no gun dog homes, not all working ones.
Christmascinnamoncookie
Fais pas chier!
They’re going through the 800 applications and don’t want more.
Smitty
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I recollect MT having a large amount (70ish) interbred terrier and terrier crosses from one place in Wales and the rescue near me in Somerset had about 60 Patterdale crosses from just the one place a couple of years ago.
Most rescue centres as far as I'm aware do not favour working homes so if I want a terrier for ratting, a lurcher for coursing, a greyhound to race or a rotti for guarding my yard, I will need to source them from elsewhere.
However, some rescues do occasionally rehome to work as sniffer dogs etc but the majority want a pet home for them and I see from Facebook that Sylvia has been requesting busy family homes with plenty of interaction and stimulation. This would include I'm sure, agility, obedience and many other canine sports that do not involve killing other animals or put the dogs in danger.
I rehomed a dog from MT 13 years ago and as he had been returned, he was by donation only. They were very flexible in their homing requirements as although we had a large garden it was unfenced, but had a railed and enclosed patio leading off the kitchen which was deemed suitable.
Most rescue centres as far as I'm aware do not favour working homes so if I want a terrier for ratting, a lurcher for coursing, a greyhound to race or a rotti for guarding my yard, I will need to source them from elsewhere.
However, some rescues do occasionally rehome to work as sniffer dogs etc but the majority want a pet home for them and I see from Facebook that Sylvia has been requesting busy family homes with plenty of interaction and stimulation. This would include I'm sure, agility, obedience and many other canine sports that do not involve killing other animals or put the dogs in danger.
I rehomed a dog from MT 13 years ago and as he had been returned, he was by donation only. They were very flexible in their homing requirements as although we had a large garden it was unfenced, but had a railed and enclosed patio leading off the kitchen which was deemed suitable.
Kaylum
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When you adopt animals from rescues you often do not know about their past. They could have been from raids, owner could have died the list goes on. Same with horses.
We have a rescue from the Blue Cross I don't know about her past. I also think rescues are often told the wrong story from owners just to get them handed over. We had a neighbour who had two dogs that kept escaping. He never bothered to chip them and said he found them when he handed them in
some show
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Oh, totally agree with you for the majority of rescue animals, it was just the fact that it was 50-odd labs all in one go!
Spangles
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Finding MTR very strict ..
Want to adopt a 5mth old Springer Puppy but they are adamant it needs a resident dog.
We have had 5 Springers in our lifetime so very experienced of the breed and understand natural instincts of the breed to satisfy, huge safe and fenced garden, live in the countryside etc have friends with dogs to socialise puppy with, but -
Answer was still NO ! Very frustrating as no one to talk to on phone willing to have a conversation with etc all done via application form.
Want to adopt a 5mth old Springer Puppy but they are adamant it needs a resident dog.
We have had 5 Springers in our lifetime so very experienced of the breed and understand natural instincts of the breed to satisfy, huge safe and fenced garden, live in the countryside etc have friends with dogs to socialise puppy with, but -
Answer was still NO ! Very frustrating as no one to talk to on phone willing to have a conversation with etc all done via application form.
skinnydipper
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If the puppy is very timid or from a puppy farm then I think it would be beneficial for the pup to have a calm and friendly canine companion.
Mrs. Jingle
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Could you offer to take two? Sorry if that is a ridiculous question.
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
They have explained why on the website. All these dogs have ever known is the company of other dogs. I agree that a pup hasn't been in that situation as long as the retired bitches but presumably they know their dogs and know how this pup responds or not, to people.
Spangles
Well-Known Member
I totally understand their reasons and I know they have to be so careful, the communication was a bit painful and long winded but all sorted now
Christmascinnamoncookie
Fais pas chier!
Are you getting the pup? The unsold litter?
I know they have huge costs, but £420 seems very high. I don’t like their caveat of having to attend puppy classes: my lot are well-socialised without needing the stimulation of puppy classes which can sometimes be too busy/exciting.
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