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:confused: Half the people on this thread are railing against the details of slaughter being "censored" but then saying they don't want to know details like price per kilo, and what actually happens at a place like Potters, and that these facts should never be mentioned on HHO.

Ada Cole spent the money of an earlier version of the ILPH on establishing a humane horse abbatoir in Lincolnshire so that horses would not have to go through the hell of transportation overseas to dodgy continental slaughter houses. As long as people and zoo animals go on eating horse meat, there will be abbatoirs. Better that they are regulated and their facilities and procedures open to inspection than hidden away in secrecy.

There are a huge number of horses out there with no homes. The OP can give another a chance now.
 
PollyP99 said:
Whilst not wishing to agree with Over2You's outburst re 'Nativeponies' I would have to say that having only been a member on here for a few weeks I have yet to read a post from NP that is not pro-killing in some form or just downright rude.
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Why don't you wait until you know the whole story before mouthing off if you've only been here a few weeks then?

OP you sound very sensible and I for one have found this thread fascinating (mostly) I would be really interested to go and look around if it weren't so far away.

Would they actually let me in to nose if I asked? I'm not a weird sicko but I think it's part of life and something we should probably all try to know a bit more about. I eat meat so I suppose I shouldn't just close my eyes to it all.

And yes, that includes horse meat when I'm on the continent. I really don't see the difference between a cow and a horse frankly. I wouldn't eat my own but I wouldn't mind if someone else did.
 
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ps, I agree that death comes to us all but who would willingly watch their horse hanging on a hook.....a step too far NP.
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You don't HAVE to go in with them. If you have your ponio pts nicely at home wearing it's favourite headcollar how do you think they get onto the the lorry to be taken away - or lifted by the JCB if you've managed to get permission to bury them.
 
PollyP99 said:
Whilst not wishing to agree with Over2You's outburst re 'Nativeponies' I would have to say that having only been a member on here for a few weeks I have yet to read a post from NP that is not pro-killing in some form or just downright rude.

I see it that 'she/he' is intentionally trying to goad people into entering an argument, best not to rise to it.

ps, I agree that death comes to us all but who would willingly watch their horse hanging on a hook.....a step too far NP.
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Bloomin' Norah... you know what I read every time I see a post from NP? People slating her for no obvious reason, when all she's done is given sound, matter-of-fact advice/opinions. :rolleyes:
 
I have found this thread informative and very helpful. I have seen dangerous horses which have/had the ability to maim and hurt humans, other animals and themselves. I know one owner decided to put their animal to sleep. The other owner decided to sell on. You can guess the rest. I think if you own any animal be that a horse or a mouse you must also take the responsibility for when the animal needs pts. The OP has clearly given the subject some thought and weighed up all the options opened to her/him. She/he must do what is best for the animal and themselves. Whatever they decided to do I hope it goes smoothly and without incident.
 
nativeponies said:
i believe it was Martlin who asked ME the price per kilo..which i then went off to find..
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Yes, it was me, and I'm not ashamed of it in any way, shape or form. I think it IS an important consideration when making the decision whether to take a horse to the abattoir or have it shot at home.
I don't see much difference between a horse and a cow, for example - and I know exactly how much beef fetches per kilo every week, it would be impossible to farm otherwise.
 
jesstickle said:
Why don't you wait until you know the whole story before mouthing off if you've only been here a few weeks then?

OP you sound very sensible and I for one have found this thread fascinating (mostly) I would be really interested to go and look around if it weren't so far away.

Would they actually let me in to nose if I asked? I'm not a weird sicko but I think it's part of life and something we should probably all try to know a bit more about. I eat meat so I suppose I shouldn't just close my eyes to it all.

And yes, that includes horse meat when I'm on the continent. I really don't see the difference between a cow and a horse frankly. I wouldn't eat my own but I wouldn't mind if someone else did.
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What "whole story" would that be exactly?? I've read other posts saying "oh you don't know NP," "if you knew her, you would mince your words." I have never been enlightened on the bigger picture. It's like Patty and her miraculous evidence that would have cleared JG's name. It was promised, but never delivered. Who is NP exactly? Do tell!!

You eat horse, but not your own. There's nothing like double standards, eh??
 
.......save the horsey!!!

Get a grip, its always the same old fluffy bunny shiit and its always from the same crowd who would be the first 'in the square to get good seats at a public hanging'.

FWIW OH had to visit an abbatoir recently on business. He was dreading it, not that he is a Bunny Hugger but he too had be bombarded with propagander. He returned to say that it was infact one of the cleanest, well run environment he had been too.

NP, one poster mentioned 'starving horses'...it made me wonder, places such as Potters don't keep the animal that long do they? What is 'the turnover' time?
 
I have only had a quick look through this thread and all im going to say is it was a simple question asking for a phone number.....not asking wether they should have THEIR pony put down or not. At the end of the day, it has nothing to do with anyone else. can we only ask questions on here if they are classed as "nice" or can we live in the real world where not everything is all fluffy bunnies. a lot of "I know better than you, even if I know nothing about your pony" going on around here.
 
Great thread, very informative.

As always, if you don't agree with some posters in entirety on everything they say, you are wrong and a murderer.
God forbid some posters on here are ever landed with a truly difficult, disturbed, troubled animal, they would wet themselves.
 
nativeponies said:
Why is it a step too far?

i was curious as to what happened..so i was shown..and where did i say it was my horse?
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And how is this any different to me seeing freshly killed deer being hung and butchered at the hunt kennels? This is exactly the end I would prefer for my own horse - shot at home then taken to the kennels for hounds - and I wouldn't expect them to treat that carcass any differently to the deer carcass. I can't say I would personally want to see my horse being butchered at the kennels because I would be upset at the loss itself however I have seen it happening to other animals and don't have a problem with it.

This thread has become bizarre. Animals, including horses, being killed for meat is a fact of life. Some of those who are getting upset on this thread about the number of racehorses killed for meat need to realise that they are trying to deal with a symptom, not the problem itself. The problem, IMHO, is indiscriminate breeding and massive wastage from the racing industry (horse industry generally, but as racehorses have been brought up on this thread, it will do as an example). Protesting about abbatoirs and shouting down people who use them will not stop that. Shutting down the abbatoirs will simply lead to more cases of neglect and more for the charities to deal with when they are already overloaded. The symptom of excess breeding is horses going for meat.. because there is no where else for them. You need to deal with the cause... the breeding itself. Get the industry to take some responsibility.
 
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chestnut cob said:
This thread has become bizarre. Animals, including horses, being killed for meat is a fact of life. Some of those who are getting upset on this thread about the number of racehorses killed for meat need to realise that they are trying to deal with a symptom, not the problem itself. The problem, IMHO, is indiscriminate breeding and massive wastage from the racing industry (horse industry generally, but as racehorses have been brought up on this thread, it will do as an example). Protesting about abbatoirs and shouting down people who use them will not stop that. Shutting down the abbatoirs will simply lead to more cases of neglect and more for the charities to deal with when they are already overloaded. The symptom of excess breeding is horses going for meat.. because there is no where else for them.
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This is exactly what I wanted to say. But you said it first, and much better!
Death is a natural part of life. Horses are not afraid of it. They do not have hopes and ambitions. A dignified, humane death is NOT the worst thing that can happen to a horse (or a person come to that, but let's save that debate for another day :D)
 
chestnut cob said:
This thread has become bizarre. Animals, including horses, being killed for meat is a fact of life. Some of those who are getting upset on this thread about the number of racehorses killed for meat need to realise that they are trying to deal with a symptom, not the problem itself. The problem, IMHO, is indiscriminate breeding and massive wastage from the racing industry (horse industry generally, but as racehorses have been brought up on this thread, it will do as an example). Protesting about abbatoirs and shouting down people who use them will not stop that. Shutting down the abbatoirs will simply lead to more cases of neglect and more for the charities to deal with when they are already overloaded. The symptom of excess breeding is horses going for meat.. because there is no where else for them.
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Which is also exactly the problem they've had in the US, compounded by having no local slaughterers, leading to long-distance, miserable transportation, sometimes to places where the abbatoir regulations aren't exactly tip top. There are 100,000 new "unwanted" horses in the US every year, and only 13,400 spots for them in rescues.
 
chestnut cob said:
This thread has become bizarre. Animals, including horses, being killed for meat is a fact of life. Some of those who are getting upset on this thread about the number of racehorses killed for meat need to realise that they are trying to deal with a symptom, not the problem itself. The problem, IMHO, is indiscriminate breeding and massive wastage from the racing industry (horse industry generally, but as racehorses have been brought up on this thread, it will do as an example). Protesting about abbatoirs and shouting down people who use them will not stop that. Shutting down the abbatoirs will simply lead to more cases of neglect and more for the charities to deal with when they are already overloaded. The symptom of excess breeding is horses going for meat.. because there is no where else for them.
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I'm the one who brought up race horses in particular, having seen a video of the injuries incurred on the track which led to some of the slaughter horses ending up there. I also understand that horses are over-bred and for every one that does well at the races, loads of others are a 'byproduct' of the industry.

And I didn't mention anything against the slaughtering of horses for meat, etc. and certainly have done no railing against anyone or anything.
 
martlin said:
Good Grief, Over2You, you are a weirdo.
Why do you feel the need to be so rude and abusive?
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I am not being rude or abusive. I am merely stating facts of life I have learned through my own experiences. And yeah, I do find it rather odd, that on a forum meant for horse lovers, that so many people think it's right to kill a healthy, but "dangerous" animal. Especially since it was probably through their own mismanagement that caused the behaviours in the first place. I'd also like to know what the deal is with NativePonies. Besides that of advocating the slaughter of horse on every given occasion. I also find it rather strange that someone who will eat horsemeat, but not from their own animal.

I'm not against the slaughter of horses, but of ALL animals. You can fool yourselves into thinking abattoirs are squeaky clean, but undercover footage shows time and time again they are far from humane or professional. When it's my Guy's time, he is going at home by injection, then buried. Put down by a competent vet (who become one because of their love of animals). NOT by someone whose sole job is killing them, so therefore could not give two hoots about them when they were alive.
 
WoopsiiD said:
.......save the horsey!!!

Get a grip, its always the same old fluffy bunny shiit and its always from the same crowd who would be the first 'in the square to get good seats at a public hanging'.

FWIW OH had to visit an abbatoir recently on business. He was dreading it, not that he is a Bunny Hugger but he too had be bombarded with propagander. He returned to say that it was infact one of the cleanest, well run environment he had been too.

NP, one poster mentioned 'starving horses'...it made me wonder, places such as Potters don't keep the animal that long do they? What is 'the turnover' time?
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with the chance of being accused that i am an employee i can, once again, answer this..

no, they DO NOT starve them..infact, not 2 miles from my home is a holding field owned by Mr Potter..that is ATM empty..but sometimes it has up to 30-50 ponies in there..they are there anything from 2 weeks to a few months..

here are pictures of some i took last summer..the 2 roan ponies and the bay pony i bought from Mr Potter..they are now riding ponies..

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ponies at my yard..
3yr old colt..now a gelding
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3yr old filly
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3yr old colt..now a gelding
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MosMum said:
I'm the one who brought up race horses in particular, having seen a video of the injuries incurred on the track which led to some of the slaughter horses ending up there. I also understand that horses are over-bred and for every one that does well at the races, loads of others are a 'byproduct' of the industry.

And I didn't mention anything against the slaughtering of horses for meat, etc. and certainly have done no railing against anyone or anything.
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My post wasn't aimed at you particularly, I just used racehorses as an example because they had been mentioned. I certainly wasn't about to go back through 28+ pages to find out exactly who brought them up and in what context. They just served as an example.
 
Over2You said:
And yeah, I do find it rather odd, that on a forum meant for horse lovers, that so many people think it's right to kill a healthy, but "dangerous" animal.
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Healthy means both physically and mentally. It is very sad that many dangerous horses have become that way through mismanagement. It does not mean that they are any less likely to cause serious or fatal injury.
 
Over2You said:
I am not being rude or abusive. I am merely stating facts of life I have learned through my own experiences. And yeah, I do find it rather odd, that on a forum meant for horse lovers, that so many people think it's right to kill a healthy, but "dangerous" animal. Especially since it was probably through their own mismanagement that caused the behaviours in the first place. I'd also like to know what the deal is with NativePonies. Besides that of advocating the slaughter of horse on every given occasion. I also find it rather strange that someone who will eat horsemeat, but not from their own animal.
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Do you have children? If not, when you do, perhaps this will make more sense to you.

Theory of mind allows us to have empathy for other people who are in a situation that we can emotionally imagine for ourselves/our loved ones.

If OP sold/loaned/gave that pony to me, whether he was honest and I just assumed I was a better handler, or whether he lied and I thought it was a perfect child's pony, if that pony hurt/maimed/killed my son or daughter I would spend the rest of my life hunting OP down.

Your absolute, purist, fundamental, unwavering faith in every single horse that is physically healthy (clearly mentally healthy doesn't come into it fo ryou) is misplaced.

There is a pecking order on earth. People come first. All life has value, but no other life comes anywhere close to what my kids lives are worth. That's my point of view, and others will have lives who they hold in higher regard. Overall, people as a species, consider human life to be worth more than animal.

If you feel strongely otherwise, I'm afraid you will spend your entire life vastly outnumbered.
 
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There is no deal with Nativeponies, she has no obligation to reveal her identity, neither have you.
Funny that, what you say about her posts... because when I read yours, and I read quite a lot of them, I always think you either live in a cuckoo land or just like to offend people.

I also eat horsemeat, I wouldn't eat my own, because none of them would be deemed fit for human consumption, seeing at one point or another in their lives they most likely have had 'bute' for example.

Have you been to a slaughterhouse? or are you going on Animal Aid videos?
 
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Over2You said:
I am not being rude or abusive. I am merely stating facts of life I have learned through my own experiences. And yeah, I do find it rather odd, that on a forum meant for horse lovers, that so many people think it's right to kill a healthy, but "dangerous" animal. Especially since it was probably through their own mismanagement that caused the behaviours in the first place. I'd also like to know what the deal is with NativePonies. Besides that of advocating the slaughter of horse on every given occasion. I also find it rather strange that someone who will eat horsemeat, but not from their own animal.

I'm not against the slaughter of horses, but of ALL animals. You can fool yourselves into thinking abattoirs are squeaky clean, but undercover footage shows time and time again they are far from humane or professional. When it's my Guy's time, he is going at home by injection, then buried. Put down by a competent vet (who become one because of their love of animals). NOT by someone whose sole job is killing them, so therefore could not give two hoots about them when they were alive.
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I'm afraid I do have to agree with this somewhat. I realise that horses have to be put down, but to send them regularly to the abbatoir which seems to keep them in business seems somewhat bizarre from people who are supposed to take such pleasure from their animals...
 
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