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Over2You said:
I am not being rude or abusive. I am merely stating facts of life I have learned through my own experiences. And yeah, I do find it rather odd, that on a forum meant for horse lovers, that so many people think it's right to kill a healthy, but "dangerous" animal. Especially since it was probably through their own mismanagement that caused the behaviours in the first place. I'd also like to know what the deal is with NativePonies. Besides that of advocating the slaughter of horse on every given occasion. I also find it rather strange that someone who will eat horsemeat, but not from their own animal.

I'm not against the slaughter of horses, but of ALL animals. You can fool yourselves into thinking abattoirs are squeaky clean, but undercover footage shows time and time again they are far from humane or professional. When it's my Guy's time, he is going at home by injection, then buried. Put down by a competent vet (who become one because of their love of animals). NOT by someone whose sole job is killing them, so therefore could not give two hoots about them when they were alive.
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"Especially since it was probably through their own mismanagement that caused the behaviours in the first place"

How dare you?
 
vixann said:
PS Last year I had my lovely (well quite bitchy but only to ppl who she didn't like!) big young mare put down - She wouldn't die - the vet said she had never seen anything like it and usually had to use a max of 2 bottles (of pentobarb or wateva it was) and that was for natives - she was a tb x wb and took 3 full bottles and around 20 mins of gasping and trying to get up, cutting her head open and it was an awful experience. not great considering she didnt like vets and needles and was even sedated i/m before we began. - Not always the best way to go but you only generally find these things out wen u have experienced them yourself.
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TicTac said:
And now you have another ' difficult ' horse to get rid of?
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Over2You said:
Yep. DON'T understand it - KILL it. MUST be dangerous - KILL it. MIGHT have a brain tumour - KILL it.

What kind of a world is it when we don't give a second thought to getting rid of a sentient being as if it were a carton of milk past its best before date.
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vixann said:
I never said she was difficult!! she was a bitch to ppl she didnt like - ppl who were nervous around her but all in all she was a fab horse - she was pts due to 1. a fractured sesamoid bine which would never heal and never be cured by surgery so she was put in field to rest for 18 month to see what happened and then 2. a few months later she went through the fence and ripped all the skin and muscle from her hind leg - dont try and make out i dont know what I am doing!!! - and dont judge.
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PS I am still waiting for an apology from TicTac for this uninformed outburst re another difficult horse???
 
I haven't read the whole thread but in my view, compared to how some of the horses are killed outside of this country and the suffering they go through how can you say a bullet is not humane? Not everyone has the money to spend on pts by injection or the cost of cremation therefore they are bad horse owners for sending their horse to a place like Potters..I think not! I would much rather know that if I had a horse that the horse had been been pts rather then passed around place to place suffering god knows what because I wasn't brave enough to make such a decision. And as for these 'healthy' horses that our friends at Animal Aid are suggesting they have been 'murdering' I am interested to know if they preformed a post mortem on any of them, as just because it looks healthy doesn't mean it hasn't got a brain tumour or another disease. I know of a horse that had a brain tumour who was perfectly healthy then one day he completed flipped and went over backwards on a car, needless to say he was pts. The vet said there was no way to have known and he was perfectly healthy overwise...
 
jemima_too said:
Why don't you have a go at me instead? You obviously haven't read all the thread or you'd know I was considering buying foals for a guinea to keep for meat for my own personal consumption! They're WAY cheaper than piglets! I already murder them and little fluffy white sheepies.

(Sorry FC but I can't resist)
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Or me if you like. I used to work at Huntingdon Life Sciences. I must definitely be the devil.

Now that probably will genuinely shock some people. But hey. Life isn't fluffy and lovely.
 
jemima_too said:
Why don't you have a go at me instead? You obviously haven't read all the thread or you'd know I was considering buying foals for a guinea to keep for meat for my own personal consumption! They're WAY cheaper than piglets! I already murder them and little fluffy white sheepies.

(Sorry FC but I can't resist)
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What are you like!!! LOL
 
jemima_too said:
OI, I was just thinking what a charming name one of them had and in what good taste.!
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:eek: Sorry!!!! :eek:

I like them all for humans, but not for horses just like I hate names like Zac for boys because it's a dogs name. :D

And on that note I am going to back away slowly before an irate mother informs me that their offspring is called Zac..... :o :D
 
FFS the op only asked for the price of a carcass. better a nutty horse be PTS than injure several people and go round and round the market from pillar to post. fair play to the OP she is being responsible for her horse, and for the horses future. once they are dead they are dead end of...
 
ofcourseyoucan said:
FFS the op only asked for the price of a carcass. better a nutty horse be PTS than injure several people and go round and round the market from pillar to post. fair play to the OP she is being responsible for her horse, and for the horses future. once they are dead they are dead end of...
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Whispers..........I don't think OP did ask about carcass price, she just wanted to know contact details!

doh, think I misunderstood your post because of all the 'touchy' talk about carcass price earlier, ignore my whispering!
 
vixann said:
I wasnt the one who asked for prices per kg etc if you read back.
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Actually cannot be bothered to trawl back through that lot but if it was not you then apologies to you, but my statement stands - taking the point too far to discuss £ per lb in my opinion.
 
dubble said:
:eek: Sorry!!!! :eek:

I like them all for humans, but not for horses just like I hate names like Zac for boys because it's a dogs name. :D

And on that note I am going to back away slowly before an irate mother informs me that their offspring is called Zac..... :o :D
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*snigger*
 
Maesfen said:
Don't take this the wrong way and I'm very likely wrong but that statement worried me and gives me the impression you could be a fluffy vet; if you're not, I apologise.
I've known a fair few vet students that have since passed out to be useful sensible vets; not one of them ever mentioned about dreading the abattoir trips or other reactions because they wanted and needed to learn everything there they could; it's all part of being a vet or a doctor, you have to have the mind and stomach to be prepared and able to deal with both the giving and taking/losing life.
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Don't think anyone could ever accuse me of being fluffy. I don't feel like I have eaten a "proper" meal unless it contains meat and can't stand vegetarians that won't eat fluffy animals. I like seeing animals in the countryside. However I will only eat British meat. I had no problem dealing with anything else but being "horsey" and growing up on a diet on girls "pony books" (which I think have a lot to answer for in many ways) I was, like many people brainwashed against horse abbatoirs. The reality was totally different to how I had imagined. I think anyone on here complaining about them should experience the facts first. I PTS animals on a virtually daily basis and although sad, I am very glad I can perform this service to prevent animals suffering. Keeping horses alive to be passed from unknowledgable home to home and get neglected or be in pain is far worse than a quick painless death, not even comparable IMHO.
 
mcnaughty said:
but my statement stands - taking the point too far to discuss £ per lb in my opinion.
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Yeah, you've already made that point;

mcnaughty said:
to go on to ask about prices is too close to the nail for some on here
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So, no harm in my repeating my reply...

Well, perhaps 'some on here' should keep out of the thread then...


I've found this thread (and that question) of great interest, and the question perfectly valid. Some of the responses, alas, have been highly emotive, sensational, and illogical..
 
Mavis007 said:
(I) can't stand vegetarians
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You hate them because they don't eat meat? I'm totally not a 'Bunny Hugger' but does that not seem a bit illogical?

ETA - I don't eat meat because I think it tastes disgusting. The thought of eating something's flesh (for want of a better word!) makes me shudder. But I have no problem with other people choosing to eat meat, and I have no problem with slaughterhouses as long as the process is quick, humane and efficient.
 
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Fairynuff said:
re the 'lethal injection'...those of you who claim to have witnessed prolonged and agonising deaths obviously have vets who are not carrying out the euthanisation properly. All horses in Italy are euthanised via injection unless they are entering the meat chain. Vets here are legally required to 1, sedate the horse. 2, anaesthetize the horse and 3, only when horse is FULLY unconcious, administer the 'lethal injection'. All those euthanised here on my yard and in the 2 clinics Ive worked in, were mainlined so had only 1 needle inserted and ALL died peacefully and quickly. The product used for the actual 'killing' is called 'Tanax' and is composed of 3 different 'drugs'. One acts as a narcotic and causes paralysis to the respiratory centre, the second one acts on the muscles involved with breathing (paralysing them) and the third is a local anaesthetic which, in horses makes no diff as they are already unconscious, but seemingly is important in small animals as there is no duty to anaesthetize them before using Tanax (I have no idea why and find it incongruous!). Maybe its about time that GB vets changed their methods of LJ euthanising if all these horses are having such horrific deaths at their hands.
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That's interesting fairynuff, I've only had experience of 1 horse being PTS by lethal injection and they certainly didn't aesthetise her first. I think that sounds a good idea! That said, my experience was positive (if you can call it that). The mare, who was 32, had gone down and despite much effort couldn't be got up again. After the lethal injection she breathed deeply a couple of times and that was it. Very quick. The horrible stories of botched injections would, however, certainly make me quastion using that method next time
 
Sorry, a bit of an over-exaggeration. And not really relevant to this thread. People are entitled to like and dislike whatever they want. But if they won't eat fluffy animals AND try to force it down my throat that eating meat that has been humanely looked after and slaughtered, that's when I get cross. But entirely irrelevant to this thread. Was a bit horrified by being described as "fluffy" as am anything but :rolleyes:
 
Mavis007 said:
Sorry, a bit of an over-exaggeration. And not really relevant to this thread. People are entitled to like and dislike whatever they want. But if they won't eat fluffy animals AND try to force it down my throat that eating meat that has been humanely looked after and slaughtered, that's when I get cross. But entirely irrelevant to this thread. Was a bit horrified by being described as "fluffy" as am anything but :rolleyes:
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Can totally understand that! Sometimes I think there is a bit of a 'holier than thou' thing going on...
 
Thanks for taking my comment that way Mavis! I did apologise for it when I said it and I hadn't even thought about looking at it from the 'Jill books' POV; makes it perfectly understandable now.

Still glad to know you're not a Fluff though!
 
Caz89 said:
"As we walked through the holding pen, a gunshot went off. Two young thoroughbreds jumped and began biting each other's necks, which were covered in red welts"

Can I suggest that you take the time to read the link .... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/oct/01/horseracing.sport

People who say "I can't afford to have the horse pts" quite simply shouldn't have a horse if you arn't able to meet the needs of it. We all know a time will come when they will need to be pts or they die and should be prepared financially and mentally. When your family members get old, your dogs and cats, your husband/wife will you send them to like a concentration camp?? Queing to die which is what these horses do! I'm not saying it's wrong to put horses down if that's the last route but after reading the above link It makes me feel sick that people are naive enough to think that horses cannot sense death and danger especially when it happens so close to the live horses :( If they are going to do it can't one horse be taken at a time to a seperate shooting area far away from the live animals ? No because this is to much hassle for them as they are going to die anyway :mad:
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My thoughts exactly Caz
 
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