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"Why does a flighty horse jump out in front of a car? It's not thinking oh - I might get hit and end up with a broken leg and put to sleep"

Do people do that when they walk out into the road and get hit? :p
 
"So basically I think anyone who uses potters and turners on a regular basis is no horse lover, but someone who sees horses as commercial commodity, ie most £ dead or alive!
Nothing necessarily wrong with this, but frequently these people will also claim to love horses, I'm sorry but the two dont go hand in hand "
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I've kept my mouth shut on this one till now! Having sent horses to Potters you can't say I don't love horses! I sent them BECAUSE I love them! If you have anything to do with horses as a business you will know that some of them just are simply unsellable, dangerous or too messed up to be passed on. While I'm not adverse to selling a horse with some sort of use through a market I wouldn't think of passing anything on with any serious metal or physical issues. Money dosen't grow on trees so if you can get back a couple of hundred pounds for a horse like this and know its future is secure then I don't see the problem as the money will only go towards another horse anyway! And before you shoot me down and say I'm heartless I bet I've given hundreds of needy horses a second chance thats they otherwise wouldn't have had over the years, from markets, private homes, dumped on me horses, foals who have been orphaned at dealers etc. What I haven't done is pass on anything thats not fit for a purpose "oh it's lame/terrified of being ridden/driven.... lets sell as a companion". The bunny huggers on here need to grow up, go back to the Intelligent horsemanship boards and leave us alone to discuss things in a sensible non sentimental manner.
 
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natalia said:
"So basically I think anyone who uses potters and turners on a regular basis is no horse lover, but someone who sees horses as commercial commodity, ie most £ dead or alive!
Nothing necessarily wrong with this, but frequently these people will also claim to love horses, I'm sorry but the two dont go hand in hand "
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BULL*****! I've kept my mouth shut on this one till now! Having sent horses to Potters you can't say I don't love horses! I sent them BECAUSE I love them! If you have anything to do with horses as a business you will know that some of them just are simply unsellable, dangerous or too messed up to be passed on. While I'm not adverse to selling a horse with some sort of use through a market I wouldn't think of passing anything on with any serious metal or physical issues. Money dosen't grow on trees so if you can get back a couple of hundred pounds for a horse like this and know its future is secure then I don't see the problem as the money will only go towards another horse anyway! And before you shoot me down and say I'm heartless I bet I've given hundreds of needy horses a second chance thats they otherwise wouldn't have had over the years, from markets, private homes, dumped on me horses, foals who have been orphaned at dealers etc. What I haven't done is pass on anything thats not fit for a purpose "oh it's lame/terrified of being ridden/driven.... lets sell as a companion". The bunny huggers on here need to grow up, piss off back to the Intelligent horsemanship boards and leave us alone to discuss things in a sensible non sentimental manner.
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No need for the abuse.
 
Natalia and Tankey are both like a breath of spring air; thank you. Much better without the emotional blackmail others seem to want to pin on anyone for even thinking of using Potters and Turners.

Incidentally, this is great publicity for them isn't it?
 
natalia said:
"So basically I think anyone who uses potters and turners on a regular basis is no horse lover, but someone who sees horses as commercial commodity, ie most £ dead or alive!
Nothing necessarily wrong with this, but frequently these people will also claim to love horses, I'm sorry but the two dont go hand in hand "
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BULL*****! I've kept my mouth shut on this one till now! Having sent horses to Potters you can't say I don't love horses! I sent them BECAUSE I love them! If you have anything to do with horses as a business you will know that some of them just are simply unsellable, dangerous or too messed up to be passed on. While I'm not adverse to selling a horse with some sort of use through a market I wouldn't think of passing anything on with any serious metal or physical issues. Money dosen't grow on trees so if you can get back a couple of hundred pounds for a horse like this and know its future is secure then I don't see the problem as the money will only go towards another horse anyway! And before you shoot me down and say I'm heartless I bet I've given hundreds of needy horses a second chance thats they otherwise wouldn't have had over the years, from markets, private homes, dumped on me horses, foals who have been orphaned at dealers etc. What I haven't done is pass on anything thats not fit for a purpose "oh it's lame/terrified of being ridden/driven.... lets sell as a companion". The bunny huggers on here need to grow up, piss off back to the Intelligent horsemanship boards and leave us alone to discuss things in a sensible non sentimental manner.
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I agree with some of this.
Horses, whether we like it or not, ARE meat animals..God, my parents ate it on the blackmarket during WW2..They had NOTHING else!..except a few cockerels..
i buy and sell a few ponies per year, and by doing so, am classed as a "Dealer".,
they are well cared for, wormed, fed, watered, and their general well-being is catered for.
but...IF this is to be compromised by a serious illness, serious behavioural issues, permanant lameness issues, then they are taken to Potters..or if it something contagious, shot at the yard by the Knackerman.
The money i received ATT from Potters went straight back to buying fodder for those at home.
Horses/Ponies ARE seen by some a just £££'s..you only need to clock the "regulars" at markets to work that out...and of course, the one's i buy i "hope" to make a small profit on too..doesn't always happen though, but hey-ho.

Personally i would NEVER push an animal of mine onto someone else.
If it is permanantly lame/can't be ridden for whatever reason, then it would be PTS..it would not become someone elses problem. end of.

As for the "fluffies" on here..we are all entitled to an opinion..but as i said further up, an opinion is just that, experience is a different ball-game altogether.
 
Maesfen said:
Natalia and Tankey are both like a breath of spring air; thank you. Much better without the emotional blackmail others seem to want to pin on anyone for even thinking of using Potters and Turners.

Incidentally, this is great publicity for them isn't it?
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Isn't it just?

SP has been informed of the thread.
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Maesfen said:
Natalia and Tankey are both like a breath of spring air; thank you. Much better without the emotional blackmail others seem to want to pin on anyone for even thinking of using Potters and Turners.

Incidentally, this is great publicity for them isn't it?
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These people irritate the hell out of me :mad:
A horse is an animal, not 'your baby':rolleyes:
It couldnt care two hoots WHAT colour its flipping numnah is, or how much you spent on it...it also couldnt care what colour its haynet or bucket is, as long as there is hay and water.
At the end of the day, horses are just that.....horses. And I cant imagine they care how they are pts, as long as it is quick and painless.
If you havent planned for your horses death, then you are no horse lover in my view....just a bunny hugging ignoramous.

Oh and btw, those who imagine their horse dying naturally in a field while the sun is shining, or being pts by injection in a cosy stable...wake up and smell the coffee....it will probably be p1ssing hard with rain.
How are you lot going to get your dead horse out of the stable....I tell you how...with tractors and chains around its neck , thats how.
 
Tankey said:
These people irritate the hell out of me :mad:
A horse is an animal, not 'your baby':rolleyes:
It couldnt care two hoots WHAT colour its flipping numnah is, or how much you spent on it...it also couldnt care what colour its haynet or bucket is, as long as there is hay and water.
At the end of the day, horses are just that.....horses. And I cant imagine they care how they are pts, as long as it is quick and painless.
If you havent planned for your horses death, then you are no horse lover in my view....just a bunny hugging ignoramous.
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Quoted because it was worth repeating.

Oh and btw, those who imagine their horse dying naturally in a field while the sun is shining, or being pts by injection in a cosy stable...wake up and smell the coffee....it will probably be p1ssing hard with rain.
How are you lot going to get your dead horse out of the stable....I tell you how...with tractors and chains around its neck , thats how.
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You forgot the bit about having to break its legs if rigour mortis has set in to get it out of the door.........
 
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Quote: Oh and btw, those who imagine their horse dying naturally in a field while the sun is shining, or being pts by injection in a cosy stable...wake up and smell the coffee....it will probably be p1ssing hard with rain.
How are you lot going to get your dead horse out of the stable....I tell you how...with tractors and chains around its neck , thats how.
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You forgot the bit about having to break its legs if rigour mortis has set in to get it out of the door.........
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Quoted again because they are both worth repeating!
 
Tankey said:
These people irritate the hell out of me :mad:
A horse is an animal, not 'your baby':rolleyes:
It couldnt care two hoots WHAT colour its flipping numnah is, or how much you spent on it...it also couldnt care what colour its haynet or bucket is, as long as there is hay and water.
At the end of the day, horses are just that.....horses. And I cant imagine they care how they are pts, as long as it is quick and painless.
If you havent planned for your horses death, then you are no horse lover in my view....just a bunny hugging ignoramous.

Oh and btw, those who imagine their horse dying naturally in a field while the sun is shining, or being pts by injection in a cosy stable...wake up and smell the coffee....it will probably be p1ssing hard with rain.
How are you lot going to get your dead horse out of the stable....I tell you how...with tractors and chains around its neck , thats how.
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And the WORST place logistically to have a horse shot is in the stable..

i've known a few that were PTS by injection by the Vet because its what the owner wanted..who are invariably never there!..and it couldn't be picked up by the knackerman til the next day..cue said knackerman having to snap the rigourmorticed joints to get the damn thing out!!!
very dignified for the horse, eh?

and as usual, said owner is nowhere to be seen..because they are "upset" that their ikkle baby has died!!
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ETS..sorry cross posted
 
Right as far as I can see the post is sharply divided. One lot says to have any horse destroyed under any circumstances anywhere is an act of gross cruelty.The other half says any animal without a use MUST be destroyed and at Potters because anything else is far too bunny huggery and totally wrong.No grey areas here is there?
 
eahotson said:
Right as far as I can see the post is sharply divided. One lot says to have any horse destroyed under any circumstances anywhere is an act of gross cruelty.The other half says any animal without a use MUST be destroyed and at Potters because anything else is far too bunny huggery and totally wrong.No grey areas here is there?
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Not quite. I think the 'other half' is saying that any form of humane destruction is better than long term neglect,prolonged suffering at the hands of those who love their 'baby' far to much to do the right thing by it, or selling a horse not fit (mentally or phyically) to an unsuspecting purchaser.
 
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zebedee said:
Not quite. I think the 'other half' is saying that any form of humane destruction is better than long term neglect,prolonged suffering at the hands of those who love their 'baby' far to much to do the right thing by it, or selling a horse not fit (mentally or phyically) to an unsuspecting purchaser.
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Z, you've hit the nail on the head with the right hammer. It's called facing up to facts and being realistic about the quality of life that horse would have if not put down.
 
missyme10 said:
So basically I think anyone who uses potters and turners on a regular basis is no horse lover, but someone who sees horses as commercial commodity, ie most £ dead or alive!
Nothing necessarily wrong with this, but frequently these people will also claim to love horses, I'm sorry but the two dont go hand in hand :(
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Sorry But I disagree with this point, what about the kind people that have seen the scraps at the sale move from sale to sale and be treated terribly, they then buy them up and give them quality of life for a few weeks and then take them to Turners/Potters? This is not for financial gain, many of the ponies are damaged, bad conformation etc, so would not ever become riding ponies and would constantly be shoved from pillar to post or worse - sent to France, Italy etc. The monetary fact in this would only be to then help the next lot of ponies/horses.

I will totally go against the grain here, I am a vegetarian, I do not like the thought of eating any animal, whether it be a pig, horse, cow, dog or chicken. I do not force my beliefs down anyone's throat as this is not my right. All of my friends, family and husband eat meat as does my dog. I have no problem with this, but I ensure any we buy is free range.

This thread has brought up some valuable information and I am sorry to say that no, I have no idea who my local knackerman is or where the closest slaughterhouse is. I know people in my local hunt, should I need it but again this is something that I have never chosen to do.

One horse I had pts went by injection and it was not administered correctly, it was a horrific death and I still have nightmares, he was my soulmate and I had to leave when he was on the ground. The second, I used a proper equine clinic, I actually took him there myself, he knew nothing of the deed and was pts by injection, it was so quick and peaceful and he still had a mouthful of food - he knew nothing and was not stressed at all. The horses at the vet in the stables and in the field next door didn't even look up.

I am fluffy as I have their ashes at home, until I am ready to say goodbye. I also do not have the stomach to have them shot, be it Potters or the Hunt. If I was able to do that I would consider the Hunt or a Slaughterhouse to do the deed as they are doing this job day in, day out and I know it would be the quickest form of despatch. Best for the horse but not the owner.

NP has had a grilling on this post for being helpful and honest, NP is far from a horse hater, she is a wonderful horsewoman and I would ask for her advice before many other people I know. The 3 ponies posted about above are a drop in the ocean, NP has given so many like them a brilliant chance and quality of life. She is also very picky on who she allows to home them, she does this for the love of them!
 
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This thread kind of makes me want to see the NP vs Fugly Horse of the Day (anti-slaughter) celebrity deathmatch ;)
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I don't think fugly is against slaughter, she is against stupid people who dump there horses broken and crippled in sales rings and them having to endure a horrific journey ... i don't think you could call her 'fluffy' ..she has a soft spot for oldies that their owners have abandoned instead of doing the right thing..
 
vixann said:
This wont be a popular post and I don't want peoples opinions please if you are going to say the usual rubbish
Does anyone know how much ponies are bringing at the moment?
7yo 14hh stocky native type?
Thanks
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vixann said:
ok thanks - any ideas on how to get contact details? google just brought up some strange things!!
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The information you wanted is quite easy to find on google, along with the telephone number and a map.
The point of this post is ?? Did you want a pat on the back ?
 
gracey said:
I don't think fugly is against slaughter, she is against stupid people who dump there horses broken and crippled in sales rings and them having to endure a horrific journey ... i don't think you could call her 'fluffy' ..she has a soft spot for oldies that their owners have abandoned instead of doing the right thing..
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She is not anti slaughter at all - and in fact is very vociforous against those 'do gooders' who managed to have all the slaughter houses in the US shut down.

She is an animal lover with experience and common sense.

SusannaF - go on her site and watch the videos of the horses going to Mexico for slaugher. Horrific, horrific, horrific, horrific.
 
gracey said:
I don't think fugly is against slaughter, she is against stupid people who dump there horses broken and crippled in sales rings and them having to endure a horrific journey ... i don't think you could call her 'fluffy' ..she has a soft spot for oldies that their owners have abandoned instead of doing the right thing..
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:o She is indeed anti-slaughter. Pro-euthanasia, anti-slaughter.

http://fuglyblog.com/?p=644
 
Hmmm I disagree that I'm a bunny hugger (although they are cute, they taste good, too) because I haven't planned how to have my 2 yr old gelding destroyed.

I have a vet, he's up to date on injections, fed, groomed etc and I imagine if he gets seriously injured or sick I will ring the vet. I haven't made extensive plans on the method of destroying him.

Oh, and his halter/lead/feed bucket/haynet all match. I know he doesn't care, I just think it looks nice. Unfortunately they didn't sell rugs in the same color. This is telling of my OCD traits, not my humanising my horse.

(And yes he IS my 'baby', with an autistic husband, son and daughter, he's the only cuddly creature in my life!!!!)

I'd still eat horse meat if it was put in front of me.
 
amymay said:
She is not anti slaughter at all - and in fact is very vociforous against those 'do gooders' who managed to have all the slaughter houses in the US shut down.

She is an animal lover with experience and common sense.

SusannaF - go on her site and watch the videos of the horses going to Mexico for slaugher. Horrific, horrific, horrific, horrific.
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I know the Mexico slaughter is horrific. I mentioned earlier on this giant thread that it's a lot easier to regulate an abbatoir in the UK than in Mexico. I've actually done a lot of reading on the subject and know that the big Belgian firm that has those abbatoirs in Mexico and Canada has a terrible record.

But Fugly is anti-slaughter – as you can see from the link I added earlier. She doesn't see new abbatoirs in the US as a solution. She wants all unwanted horses either rescued or euthanised, and an end to irresponsible breeding.
 
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