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[Dotilas]

Very very interesting thread, thankyou to the OP, and I would like to say that it says a great deal that the OP isn't considering trying to pass the horse on, instead they are doing one of the most responsible things a horse person could do in the situation. Who knows, the OP might be preventing a human death in the future by their actions now.

 

[mcnaughty]

In all honesty if i could afford another i would, i would probably end up with all that go en route to the abbatoirs. If he has got to go he has got to go at least he can't hurt himself or anyone else and i understand that, but lets not start talking about prices per kg etc okay! Disagreement finished and wounds washed off alright, chin up, i bet it is a hard decision to make at the end of the day.

Sorry, but I have to agree with this - OP, when you got the name of the abattoir that should have been the end of the subject - to go on to ask about prices is too close to the nail for some on here and you damn well knew that when you posted that additional question. Go and phone the abattoir and ask them the finer details - what you do with your pony is your business - but we do not want your business rubbed in our faces.

I actually avoided this post due to the title but when I saw the number of posts it had accrued I assume that something stupid had been said and I was right.

 

[vixann]

Sorry, but I have to agree with this - OP, when you got the name of the abattoir that should have been the end of the subject - to go on to ask about prices is too close to the nail for some on here and you damn well knew that when you posted that additional question. Go and phone the abattoir and ask them the finer details - what you do with your pony is your business - but we do not want your business rubbed in our faces.

I actually avoided this post due to the title but when I saw the number of posts it had accrued I assume that something stupid had been said and I was right.

I wasnt the one who asked for prices per kg etc if you read back.

 

[Pipkin]

1. What - being left lying on the ground, unable to get up, and in agony. Until about twenty minutes later, someone (who had been watching the entire time) eventually comes along and ends the misery. How often does this sort of thing happen? If it's happened once, then who is to say it isn't a regular occurrence?

2. Emphasis on potentially. All these ifs and mights. Never giving chances to animals to improve their behaviour. It's no wonder they become 'dangerous' in the first place. All those negative vibes going about. You can actually instigate aggressive behaviours with your energy. What's happened to calm assertiveness.

3. I would have a qualm about it. There's usually a good reason for a dog to bite/attack. For reasons stated in #2 and that most people haven't a clue how to read a dog's body language. As always the animal pays the ultimate price.

Ah right so the dog that mauled me had a reason to???? and it also had reason to attack two people after me...stopping one man having kids???
I`ve had dogs all my life...i can tell an aggressive dog from a non aggressive dog..i can tell when an animal is going to attack....this darling fluffy bunny of a dog showed no sign of being upset or angry until it had a lovely chew on my arm and then scarred me for life!!


OP has stated she has given the pony chance after chance...the animal is dangerous....she hasnt said it MAY be dangerous...it is!!!

Why dont you take the pony off the OP and see if you can turn it into a lovely little well behaved pony?

As for the horse lying on the ground...do you have proof?? if so why rant on here ?Report it to the appropriate people

Do you agree with the hunt taking a horse?

 

[nativetyponies]

You are a horse hating member who takes great pleasure in killing them. Clearly you are employed there with all your 'inside' info. What the hell are you doing here??

weirdo.

go and do something useful...

 

[Maesfen]

You are a horse hating member who takes great pleasure in killing them. Clearly you are employed there with all your 'inside' info. What the hell are you doing here??

That's one of the funniest and stupidest things you could ever say.
If you only knew NP, you'd have a completely different view I can tell you that for nothing - and you'd have a very red face and have to eat your words.

 

[Jim Moriarty]

to go on to ask about prices is too close to the nail for some on here

Well, perhaps 'some on here' should keep out of the thread then...

 

[Pipkin]

weirdo.

go and do something useful...

Reading this thread thoroughly would be a good start for them

 

[vixann]

Well, perhaps 'some on here' should keep out of the thread then...

ah is that some kind of apology??? well many ppl on here should keep out like my original post states but that hasnt stopped them either.

 

[Over2You]

"As we walked through the holding pen, a gunshot went off. Two young thoroughbreds jumped and began biting each other's necks, which were covered in red welts"

Can I suggest that you take the time to read the link .... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/oct/01/horseracing.sport

People who say "I can't afford to have the horse pts" quite simply shouldn't have a horse if you arn't able to meet the needs of it. We all know a time will come when they will need to be pts or they die and should be prepared financially and mentally. When your family members get old, your dogs and cats, your husband/wife will you send them to like a concentration camp?? Queing to die which is what these horses do! I'm not saying it's wrong to put horses down if that's the last route but after reading the above link It makes me feel sick that people are naive enough to think that horses cannot sense death and danger especially when it happens so close to the live horses If they are going to do it can't one horse be taken at a time to a seperate shooting area far away from the live animals ? No because this is to much hassle for them as they are going to die anyway

Exactly!! There should also be a licensing system for all pets. If you don't have the money or a basic knowledge of animal psychology, you should NOT own an animal!! Simple.

Also read the article you posted. Interesting to hear that several 'beloved' names in horse sport are liars. Not surprising really.

 

[the_sophies]

I have to say I have had my opinion changed by the information in this thread. The last time I was in a slaughterhouse was a long time ago and it wasn't in the UK - so hardly relevant information. If the eyewitness accounts of what goes on in Potter's are true then what is so wrong with the OP sending this clearly dangerous pony there? She is doing it a favour! I believe her when she says how dangerous it is - how is she supposed to get it proper veterinary/farrier attention if she can hardly get near it? And 'find it a home as a companion' - come on, who in their right mind would take something like this on?

Thank you to those of you who have posted information about how clean and professional these places really are. Food for thought. If it wasn't for the abattoirs, we would really be up s**t creek. Look at what is happening in America, they banned horse slaughter and now illegal 'slaughterhouses' are springing up in people's backyards! Yes, in an ideal world we would all have the hunt/vet take our animals, and I'm sure that's what most people on here do. However, for many horses that is just not an option. So what is the greater evil? Leave them to rot, abandoned or neglected in fields around the country? Or send them off to what appears to be a quick, humane death? I know what I would choose!

 

[AmyMay]

Don't be silly and don't take my view out of context.

I don't think I have taken it out of context, or am being silly.

I'm genuinly curious to know what your answer is to my question

 

[Zebedee]

You are a horse hating member who takes great pleasure in killing them. Clearly you are employed there with all your 'inside' info. What the hell are you doing here??

How dare you, you stupid ignoramous.

I would take every single one of my horse to Potters before I would leave then in the charge of someone like you, & thats a fact.
I would have no qualms whatsoever though about leaving them under the supervision of nativeponies

 

[Nocturnal]

You are a horse hating member who takes great pleasure in killing them. Clearly you are employed there with all your 'inside' info. What the hell are you doing here??

Pmsl, shhh, you're embarrassing yourself, love.

 

[the_sophies]

From the Guardian article:
" the end is brutal: a bullet through the temple or a metal bolt into the side of the brain. Then their carcasses are loaded on to freezer lorries and driven to France, where their flesh is sold as gourmet meat"

What does the author believe happens to horses then? Would he rather they were forced to travel live to France and be killed there?

 

[nativetyponies]

I have to say I have had my opinion changed by the information in this thread. The last time I was in a slaughterhouse was a long time ago and it wasn't in the UK - so hardly relevant information. If the eyewitness accounts of what goes on in Potter's are true then what is so wrong with the OP sending this clearly dangerous pony there? She is doing it a favour! I believe her when she says how dangerous it is - how is she supposed to get it proper veterinary/farrier attention if she can hardly get near it? And 'find it a home as a companion' - come on, who in their right mind would take something like this on?

Thank you to those of you who have posted information about how clean and professional these places really are. Food for thought. If it wasn't for the abattoirs, we would really be up s**t creek. Look at what is happening in America, they banned horse slaughter and now illegal 'slaughterhouses' are springing up in people's backyards! Yes, in an ideal world we would all have the hunt/vet take our animals, and I'm sure that's what most people on here do. However, for many horses that is just not an option. So what is the greater evil? Leave them to rot, abandoned or neglected in fields around the country? Or send them off to what appears to be a quick, humane death? I know what I would choose!

the eyewitness accounts..yes, they are true...and no, i dont work there..but if offered a job on "horse days" then yes, i would.

i've been inside several times...i've seen a couple of "my" animals all the way through the line..from when they enter the enclosed barn, to being on the hook...its nothing like the picture that "Animal Rights" nutters try to paint it.

as for CCTV...yes, agree 100%..ALL UK abattoirs should have them.

 

[mcnaughty]

I dont doubt for one moment that the OP is making the right decision. So why not just get on with it, why make an issue on this forum about the price per kilo. To me it is a post designed to cause confrontation. Anyone with an ounce of sense will put a dangerous horse down, just that most people dont really advertise the fact.

Absolutely

 

[AmyMay]

What - being left lying on the ground, unable to get up, and in agony. Until about twenty minutes later, someone (who had been watching the entire time) eventually comes along and ends the misery. How often does this sort of thing happen? If it's happened once, then who is to say it isn't a regular occurrence?

If you read an earlier post, you'll find that there was an explanation there about this situation - but we would all agree that it was unacceptable and a buerocratic (sp) problem that needs addressing.

But Over2You - why not add something constructive to a post? You so rarely do.

Just because someone has a differing opinion to you - it doesn't mean you have the right to hurl abuse at them.

As has been said many, many times. Death is not such a terrible thing, providing it is done with professionalism and compassion.

That can be done by the abbotior - and it's up to the individual to decide if this is the route for them.

You ask what Nativeponies is doing on this forum? I would question what you are doing here - as clearly you are someone who lives in cloud cuckoo land.

 

[vixann]

Absolutely

like I have already stated (but will do again as some ppl must only read the bits they want to read) I DID NOT ask about price per kg - I asked for a bloody phone number. JESUS (now that will offend sum1 too!!)

 

[AmyMay]

From the Guardian article:
" the end is brutal: a bullet through the temple or a metal bolt into the side of the brain. Then their carcasses are loaded on to freezer lorries and driven to France, where their flesh is sold as gourmet meat"

What does the author believe happens to horses then? Would he rather they were forced to travel live to France and be killed there?

Precisely. A truley excellent point!

 

[nativetyponies]

like I have already stated (but will do again as some ppl must only read the bits they want to read) I DID NOT ask about price per kg - I asked for a bloody phone number. JESUS (now that will offend sum1 too!!)

i believe it was Martlin who asked ME the price per kilo..which i then went off to find..

 

[MosMum]

like I have already stated (but will do again as some ppl must only read the bits they want to read) I DID NOT ask about price per kg - I asked for a bloody phone number. JESUS (now that will offend sum1 too!!)

:O:O:O:O You swore :O:O:O:O

Now your pony won't go to heaven when he dies

(Completely kidding, in case that wasn't clear )

 

[Jim Moriarty]

ah is that some kind of apology???

?? ??

 

[vixann]

?? ??

as it was implied i was the one asking about prices then it was realised i was not.
guess not though

yes i did swear!!

And I am glad it isnt going to heaven!!!!!

 

[Over2You]

Sharon, let me put a scenario to you: You say you are a mother, well so am I and this is why I feel so strongly that OP is doing the right thing.

You take on a horse that you know has problems, you send it to a specialist to cure the problems and break it for you, all is going well until suddenly, without warning, it attacks the person (very experienced) lunging it and takes, literally, a huge chunk of her arm off. You then ignore all the advice of the vets and trainer to PTS and send to another, well thought of and very experienced, trainer. Again all is going well until one day it launches an attack without warning and tries to kill said trainer, again literally, stamping all over him, he is rescued and hospitalised with horrendous injuries. Still you ignore the advice given and move it to your own yard which is shared with another YO, you decide to put this horse in a stable next to the other guys teenage (13) liveries little mare, they leave the yard, eventually his business folds because no-one wants to be near this dangerous horse. Suppose you were on this yard with your child, would you risk that one day this horse may attack and kill, or at least maim, your child. This horse was dangerous on the ground, what makes you think you know better that the owner making the decision. At what point does someone have the guts to make the right decision. Or, do you do what the owner did, try to sell it to a dealer to go to auction without mentioning it's problems, to be bought by someone like me for their own daughter. OP is being responsible FGS, at least she isn't just passing it on to someone else!

And, to those who think OP shouldn't have posted, it is a fact of life and something that we should be able to discuss without getting sentimental. Sometimes PTS, whatever means, IS the best for the horse.

You say to "send it" not go along with the horse to the trainer. Any trainer worth his or her salt will have the owner come too and become competent with the training methods being used. Any trainer that doesn't do this should be avoided. I've seen dogs and horses come back from trainers like that worse than ever.

As for a child being injured. Don't let the child near the horse. Simple. If the horse/pony belongs to the child, then educate the child. It's all about education. If you don't know how to deal with behaviours or aren't willing to seek help from a reputable trainer, then you have no business owning any animal.

 

[hellspells]

If you read an earlier post, you'll find that there was an explanation there about this situation - but we would all agree that it was unacceptable and a buerocratic (sp) problem that needs addressing.

But Over2You - why not add something constructive to a post? You so rarely do.

Just because someone has a differing opinion to you - it doesn't mean you have the right to hurl abuse at them.

As has been said many, many times. Death is not such a terrible thing, providing it is done with professionalism and compassion.

That can be done by the abbotior - and it's up to the individual to decide if this is the route for them.

You ask what Nativeponies is doing on this forum? I would question what you are doing here - as clearly you are someone who lives in cloud cuckoo land.

I couldn't agree more with this post (Having spent most of the day reading it at one point or another). I am truly shocked by your attitude Over2you. How dare you come and spout such rubbish in such a way with no space for listening to reason, and equally how dare you come and hurl personal insults at someone such as NP - someone with far more knowledge than many people could ever wish to have.
People are all intitled to their opinions but at least have the decency to take other peoples opinions on board and not attack them for them.


To the OP - I hope you find the correct out come for you and for the pony, whatever that maybe.

 

[hellspells]

You say to "send it" not go along with the horse to the trainer. Any trainer worth his or her salt will have the owner come too and become competent with the training methods being used. Any trainer that doesn't do this should be avoided. I've seen dogs and horses come back from trainers like that worse than ever.

As for a child being injured. Don't let the child near the horse. Simple. If the horse/pony belongs to the child, then educate the child. It's all about education. If you don't know how to deal with behaviours or aren't willing to seek help from a reputable trainer, then you have no business owning any animal.

My god I want to live in your world - Its so black and white! Its not simple at all. I think you really need to come and live in the real world.

 

[MosMum]

Love my son to bits but if he has an autistic meltdown I'm going to restrain him rather than get bitten.

Kind of hard to hog tie a several-hundred-pound horse.

As they say on 'House', "If he had TB it wouldn't be his fault, either, but I still wouldn't let him cough on me."

 

[jrp204]

Phew, have just read the whole thread!! OP, you are doing the right thing and I wish more 'responsible' animal owners would do the same thing rather than pass on animals that are unsafe. I would have no hesitation sending a horse to an abbotoir but then i am a farmer who's responsibility to all of my animals starts at their birth until the time they are due to be slaughtered be it for food (sheep etc) or if they were dangerous or were ill/injured. It is our ultimate responsibility to ensure our animals have a stress free death and it would pay many of the people who are against the slaughter of horses to look at their diet and take note of how many animals they eat in one form or another, as if they have a problem with horse slaughter how can they justify eating other meats.

 

[PollyP99]

Whilst not wishing to agree with Over2You's outburst re 'Nativeponies' I would have to say that having only been a member on here for a few weeks I have yet to read a post from NP that is not pro-killing in some form or just downright rude.

I see it that 'she/he' is intentionally trying to goad people into entering an argument, best not to rise to it.

ps, I agree that death comes to us all but who would willingly watch their horse hanging on a hook.....a step too far NP.