meat man

[Dolcé]

You say to "send it" not go along with the horse to the trainer. Any trainer worth his or her salt will have the owner come too and become competent with the training methods being used. Any trainer that doesn't do this should be avoided. I've seen dogs and horses come back from trainers like that worse than ever.

As for a child being injured. Don't let the child near the horse. Simple. If the horse/pony belongs to the child, then educate the child. It's all about education. If you don't know how to deal with behaviours or aren't willing to seek help from a reputable trainer, then you have no business owning any animal.

You miss the point completely, if only life were as straightforward as you appear to think it is. Personally, I feel anyone who cannot accept that an animal (any animal) can be dangerous, and it not be something that can be dealt with someone who can 'deal with behaviours' should steer well clear. I only hope that you never come across one of these animals as I fear you may change your attitude very quickly!

 

[Echo Bravo]

Haven't gone through most of the posts as everyone has their own honest opinions how to handle so called dangerous animal. I've had one still got her and she's a sweet as an cherrypie. Some are so traumaticed they are best put down for their own quality of life which sounds zero. I've have my old horses put down at home and happy to pay for it. Mozmum you came over that we are the super race. We are not, the human race has caused more destruction to other species. I'm sure your grandchildren will grow up wondering what a sparrow is. I'd like to see a lot of the low life, druggies rapists child abusers gotten ridden of.
Have eaten my own beef, pork but not chickens and never horse meat, but neith would I eat dog meat or cat meat.

 

[SirenaXVI]

I am not being rude or abusive. Calling someone a horse hater/murderer on this forum is NOT abusive?I am merely stating facts of life I have learned through my own experiences. And yeah, I do find it rather odd, that on a forum meant for horse lovers, that so many people think it's right to kill a healthy, but "dangerous" animal. Especially since it was probably through their own mismanagement that caused the behaviours in the first place.How damn arrogant you sound, HOW exactly do you know that it was the OPs mismanagement? Are you psychic? I'd also like to know what the deal is with NativePonies. Besides that of advocating the slaughter of horse on every given occasion. I also find it rather strange that someone who will eat horsemeat, but not from their own animal.The deal with NP? No deal but she is a damned good horsewoman, I'll bet she has forgotten more than you will ever know

I'm not against the slaughter of horses, but of ALL animals. Dear God!You can fool yourselves into thinking abattoirs are squeaky clean, but undercover footage shows time and time again they are far from humane or professional.Complete *******s! When it's my Guy's time, he is going at home by injection, then buried. Put down by a competent vet (who become one because of their love of animals). NOT by someone whose sole job is killing them, so therefore could not give two hoots about them when they were alive.It must be lovely living in your completely barking world. Sadly real life is rather different. You are very fortunate in being able to not see beyond the end of your nose through your rose tinted specs

 

[Meowy Catkin]

I was always told that PTS by lethal injection is kindest on the owner but that PTS by bullet or humane killer is kindest to the horse. I have witnessed both bullet (I held the horse, not my horse but it had severe lami wasn't going to recover) and lethal injection (again not my horse but this one had a terrible leg injury). For both of those horses, death was a release from their pain and was the kindest thing for them. However, I will never use lethal injection for my horses as the bullet was quicker and alot less traumatic for the horse.

 

[Over2You]

There is no deal with Nativeponies, she has no obligation to reveal her identity, neither have you.
Funny that, what you say about her posts... because when I read yours, and I read quite a lot of them, I always think you either live in a cuckoo land or just like to offend people.
You sound such a sanctimonious cow...
I also eat horsemeat, I wouldn't eat my own, because none of them would be deemed fit for human consumption, seeing at one point or another in their lives they most likely have had 'bute' for example.

Have you been to a slaughterhouse? or are you going on Animal Aid videos?

You accused me of being rude, then you make an extremely rude comment yourself. At least I have not resorted to infantile name calling. How does that work for you?

There is apparently some kind of deal with NP or there wouldn't be as many posts saying "oh... if only you knew." If only I knew what exactly?

No, I don't go exclusively by Animal Aid. I also use other sources and have watched many slaughter videos and read accounts of abuse and poor slaughter methods from abattoirs with "high standards of welfare." Have a look at this: http://www.viva.org.uk/campaigns/slaughter/index.htm and this: http://www.viva.org.uk/video/sentencedtodeath.html. Then some of you will have the nerve to say that slaughtermen are highly competent individuals who would be sacked for doing what you saw in that video.

And no I have NEVER been to a slaughterhouse. I am an animal lover and vegetarian, so why would I want to? I have forced myself to watch online videos in order to educate myself. You are the ones living in cloud cuckoo land if you think British slaughterhouses are wonderful places for animals to die in.

 

[Happy Horse]

To be honest the propaganda video filmed at Potters made me feel a lot more comfortable about horses going there to be put down. It looked perfectly clean and well run and the horses were handled kindly and with respect. This was produced by a group looking to discredit them so was obviously a true reflection of what actually happens there. There was a reason for the horse lying outside but this was a reflection of whoever dropped it off in that state and not Potters.

NP is one of the most knowledgeable horse owners I have come across and gives ponies a chance that no one else will. Just because she is practical doesn't make her cruel or a cold hearted killer.

 

[martlin]

Well, you see, I base my opinion of abattoirs on real life experience, not on viva or AA propaganda.
We'll never see eye to eye, because I farm animals for meat - in your eyes, I am a murderer.
Just consider the thought... if people didn't eat lamb, there wouldn't be any sheep around.

 

[Bertthefrog]

You accused me of being rude, then you make an extremely rude comment yourself. At least I have not resorted to infantile name calling. How does that work for you?

There is apparently some kind of deal with NP or there wouldn't be as many posts saying "oh... if only you knew." If only I knew what exactly?

No, I don't go exclusively by Animal Aid. I also use other sources and have watched many slaughter videos and read accounts of abuse and poor slaughter methods from abattoirs with "high standards of welfare." Have a look at this: http://www.viva.org.uk/campaigns/slaughter/index.htm and this: http://www.viva.org.uk/video/sentencedtodeath.html. Then some of you will have the nerve to say that slaughtermen are highly competent individuals who would be sacked for doing what you saw in that video.

And no I have NEVER been to a slaughterhouse. I am an animal lover and vegetarian, so why would I want to? I have forced myself to watch online videos in order to educate myself. You are the ones living in cloud cuckoo land if you think British slaughterhouses are wonderful places for animals to die in.

So - you have watched videos - which only still exist to promote sensationalism of the subject. Everyday, normal acitivites of well run abattoirs are not worth posting - as no one wants to view or comment on these.
I am not saying for one minute that every slaughterman is perfect, never makes mistakes or has accidents - they are after all human, just as vets, doctors, police, forces etc.
The problem I have with the videos is with the "spin" associated. In most cases a scene is presented, without the full story accompanying it - and assumptions are made, deliberately or otherwise.

 

[Dolcé]

Why is it a step too far?

i was curious as to what happened..so i was shown..and where did i say it was my horse?

It was my horse, well the one that was my 'special boy' when I was an instructress. I travelled to the abbatoir with my boss and I held him on the lead rope whilst the captive bolt was used, I stood and watched him being bled - I don't regret a minute of it, it wasn't something I would want to see every day but I know that the horse ended his life in a calm and very fast manner, he didn't know what had happened. I felt that as he was 'my boy' I owed it to him to be there at the end. This was a long time ago and I don't think it would happen like that now (with the owner holding the horse) but I am confident things will only have got better.

For what it is worth, I own 8 ponies, several that I have rescued and they have forever homes BUT if ever I couldn't keep them I can guarantee that every one of them will be PTS regardless of how young they are because I will never have to worry about where they are and if they ended up in a sales ring. There are far worse things than death.

 

[nativetyponies]

I thought this thread was about Potters and Horse Slaughter?

What relevance do the VIVA propaganda videos have to this thread?..

 

[tristar]

no offence to op, its an individuals choice, but this talk of eating horses makes me so sad, a beautiful thoroughbred foal reared to 18 months, broken too young, raced too young, slaughtered at 3 - 4 years , eaten by humans, god's noblest creature deserves something better than this, i am ashamed to be human. total exploitation from day one.

 

[Dolcé]

There is apparently some kind of deal with NP or there wouldn't be as many posts saying "oh... if only you knew." If only I knew what exactly?



OK, you are right, there IS a deal with NP but it is a secret, when you find out you will feel soooooooo silly!

 

[martlin]

OK, you are right, there IS a deal with NP but it is a secret, when you find out you will feel soooooooo silly!

 

[Enfys]

Surely as a responsible horse owner you should know the name of a slaughter man local to you,

Now there's a thought. I don't. Does everybody else know that?

If I have a horse I want put down I just phone a farmer, he does the job and then I bury it. The abbatoir that deals with our cattle and lambs don't take horses.

 

[martlin]

Now there's a thought. I don't. Does everybody else know that?

If I have a horse I want put down I just phone a farmer, he does the job and then I bury it. The abbatoir that deals with our cattle and lambs don't take horses.

I'm not sure, but I think Turners will be the closest for me.
My livestock abattoir doesn't deal with horses.
I do have my local knackerman's number in my phone, though.

 

[MosMum]

Mozmum you came over that we are the super race. We are not, the human race has caused more destruction to other species. I'm sure your grandchildren will grow up wondering what a sparrow is. I'd like to see a lot of the low life, druggies rapists child abusers gotten ridden of.

I'm sorry I came across like that to you. That isn't the point I was trying to make at all.

The fact of the matter is, however much evil humans do, the price for murdering a person will always be more severe in the eye of the law than the price for 'murdering' an animal.

Child abuse will always be more taboo than animal abuse.

That is because human life is commonly viewed as having more worth than animal life. That's why we eat animals, not our young.

Absolutely agree that mankind has a lot to answer for.

 

[JanetGeorge]

If I have a horse I want put down I just phone a farmer, he does the job and then I bury it. The abbatoir that deals with our cattle and lambs don't take horses.

Good grief - where do you live! Round here, VERY few farmers will have anything other than a shotgun and I can't BEGIN to think of their reaction if you asked them to shoot a horse!!

I have two choices: the vet - who will shoot OR PTS by injection depending on what I want for that horse; or the local hunt, who will shoot and take away. I choose whichever is likely to be quickest - and least stressful - for the individual horse.

 

[The Virgin Dubble]

Doesn't bother me but you can't expect people not to express an opinion. Surely as a responsible horse owner you should know the name of a slaughter man local to you, or ask somebody with a horse in your area etc.

You know as well as I do that these kinds of threads are always emotive, my point is you can't always expect people to agree with you. Public forum, public response!

Public forum also means that she has the right to ask a question without asking for your permission first...

 

[MurphysMinder]

You are a horse hating member who takes great pleasure in killing them. Clearly you are employed there with all your 'inside' info. What the hell are you doing here??

Is it wrong that I find this statement hilarious?!

 

[spaniel]

No MM I think many of us have found a great deal of amusement in OTY's offerings.

 

[SirenaXVI]

No MM not wrong - I personally found it hysterical

 

[threeponies]

Surely if NativePonies bought three ponies from Mr Potter's field ( i'm assuming these ponies were to be slaughtered, please correct me if wrong) and they are now being ridden/cared for/enjoyed, there is absolutely no reason to be calling her a 'horse hating member'?

 

[The Virgin Dubble]

I am not being rude or abusive. I am merely stating facts of life I have learned through my own experiences. And yeah, I do find it rather odd, that on a forum meant for horse lovers, that so many people think it's right to kill a healthy, but "dangerous" animal. Especially since it was probably through their own mismanagement that caused the behaviours in the first place. I'd also like to know what the deal is with NativePonies. Besides that of advocating the slaughter of horse on every given occasion. I also find it rather strange that someone who will eat horsemeat, but not from their own animal.

I'm not against the slaughter of horses, but of ALL animals. You can fool yourselves into thinking abattoirs are squeaky clean, but undercover footage shows time and time again they are far from humane or professional. When it's my Guy's time, he is going at home by injection, then buried. Put down by a competent vet (who become one because of their love of animals). NOT by someone whose sole job is killing them, so therefore could not give two hoots about them when they were alive.

No words, just....

 

[Enfys]

Good grief - where do you live! Round here, VERY few farmers will have anything other than a shotgun and I can't BEGIN to think of their reaction if you asked them to shoot a horse!!

.

Canada.

My Vet can be up to 4 hours from me, useless in an emergency. Whereas I have a cattle farmer within a mile of me that can, and will, put a horse out of misery cleanly and efficiently. I couldn't wait hours for the Vet when my horse had his leg hanging off.

I can't imagine any of the British farmers I knew being willing to shoot a horse either, plenty of huntsmen over there though. My closest pack is over 40 miles away. My horses in the UK went to the kennels, their last thought was "Goody, hunting..." (or whatever horse think) great way to go.

 

[lauraandjack]

Always better a certain death than an uncertain future.

I think a little less anthropomorphism would be helpful in this situation.

- the vast majority of tame well handled horses do not find transport particularly stressful, even if they don't travel regularly.
- horses have no perception of where they are being taken.
- they have no idea what the abbatoir is or what is going to happen there. It is surely no different or more stressful than say, taking a youngster into an indoor school for the first time.

Of course no one is going to send their faithful old friend to be made into pedigree chum. But honestly, for horses that are otherwise unwanted, what is really so bad about it, as long as their death is quick and humane?

 

[Jesstickle]

What "whole story" would that be exactly?? I've read other posts saying "oh you don't know NP," "if you knew her, you would mince your words." I have never been enlightened on the bigger picture. It's like Patty and her miraculous evidence that would have cleared JG's name. It was promised, but never delivered. Who is NP exactly? Do tell!!

You eat horse, but not your own. There's nothing like double standards, eh??

I wasn't trying to imply some huge conspiracy. Jeez. Merely that if you hang around a bit longer you will realise that although NP can be direct she talks a lot of sense. Besides if you can't work her out from those lovely pics of those ponies she (aghh I can't think of a better word than rescued and I know if I say that she'll tell me off!) whatevered then I can't help you.

And I suppose it is double standards to not want to eat my own horses. There isn't much I can do about that though. They are my pets but the horses I am eating are no ones pets. It shouldn't make a difference I suppose but it does. Such is life I suppose.

 

[*hic*]

Surely if NativePonies bought three ponies from Mr Potter's field ( i'm assuming these ponies were to be slaughtered, please correct me if wrong) and they are now being ridden/cared for/enjoyed, there is absolutely no reason to be calling her a 'horse hating member'?

Yup - nail on head there! They look like cracking little ponies. Shame on the breeders who bred too many to cope but kudos to NP who saw them and has turned their lives around.

"Horse hating" couldn't really be further from the truth.

If you look back through recent posts you'll see she's recently picked up a rather nice little Newfie with one eye. The horse hating member has already cleaned him up and is taking him out for walks round the local area as the start of turning him into a nice well handled and bombproofed pony.

 

[Echo Bravo]

To be honest OVER2YOU. Most of us on this Forum are realalistic(hope I've spelt that right). Horses like beef cattle,pigs,chickens,goats,sheep go for slaughter. Those that can keep our horses through illness or old age if you've read a lot of posts on here have them put down when they have too. But sometimes a price comes into it, I personaly don't like it, but I would never judge another person because they do, each to their own. I hope I never have to judge you, or you me.

 

[Tinseltoes]

with the chance of being accused that i am an employee i can, once again, answer this..

no, they DO NOT starve them..infact, not 2 miles from my home is a holding field owned by Mr Potter..that is ATM empty..but sometimes it has up to 30-50 ponies in there..they are there anything from 2 weeks to a few months..

here are pictures of some i took last summer..the 2 roan ponies and the bay pony i bought from Mr Potter..they are now riding ponies..

ponies at my yard..
3yr old colt..now a gelding

3yr old filly

3yr old colt..now a gelding

Well done on saving those ponies,they are lovely. Whats their names?

 

[Black_Horse_White]

What is the most single thing we as human beings fear the most, answer death! Life is very precious it's all we have. The same goes for animals ending any life should not be entered into lightly. The OP has made the right decision for her circumstances and we should all respect that. As long as it's painless and without distress to the pony then so be it. No one should be allowed to play god, but unfortunately lots do and its a fact of life. So we will all have to agree to differ, and do the best we can for our animals.