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the pony may well be dangerous in a way that does not affect its ability to travel to the slaughter house!

Many dangerous animals travel quetly are you not just going a little ott!!?
 
I think it is a strange horse owner who even thinks about travelling a horse 4 hours and hundreds of miles just to have it killed. That makes no sense to me at all.
 
or perhaps she will decide the journey and cost is not viable and will arrange for local knacker man to deal with it, perhaps that is why she needed to know the price they were going for in the first place, so that she could make an informed decision...........
 
Show Girl said:
Well according to OP she is in West Yorkshire and Potters is in Somerset, I'm assuming thats where the horse will go as this is now the 61st page on the subject of Potters.
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west yorkshire to nantwich she will have to drive very slowly if it takes as long as 4hours !
west yorkshire to somerset then she will have to drive impossibly fast to make it in a horsebox in only 4 hours!
 
lannerch said:
west yorkshire to nantwich she will have to drive very slowly if it takes as long as 4hours !
west yorkshire to somerset then she will have to drive impossibly fast to make it in a horsebox in only 4 hours!
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LOL, I can't believe someone even bothered looking up the distance and tried to work out the travelling time just so they could 'have a pop' at OP
 
lannerch said:
west yorkshire to nantwich she will have to drive very slowly if it takes as long as 4hours !
west yorkshire to somerset then she will have to drive impossibly fast to make it in a horsebox in only 4 hours!
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Did I mention how long it would take? No I just answered someone elses question on where OP lives and where presumeably as this is about Potters where the pony could possibly be going.
 
hch4971 said:
LOL, I can't believe someone even bothered looking up the distance and tried to work out the travelling time just so they could 'have a pop' at OP
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And here we go again :rolleyes: I made a completely valid comment and any one with even the smallest amount of grey matter would understand that considering Potters appears to have been the slaugher house of choice. And for your information I have made no pop at the OP. You on the other hand young lady have been rude, condescending and patronising at every opportunity on this thread.
 
jaypeebee said:
And here we go again :rolleyes: I made a completely valid comment and any one with even the smallest amount of grey matter would understand that considering Potters appears to have been the slaugher house of choice. And for your information I have made no pop at the OP. You on the other hand young lady have been rude, condescending and patronising at every opportunity on this thread.
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I haven't been rude, condescending or patronising at all, I just don't suffer fools gladly, it was ok for you to call OP a 'strange horse owner' because she asked a valid question, that was your opinion, just as I thought it was funny that you worked out the distance and travel time (regardless of the fact that W Yorks is quite a big place that could make an hour on or off the journey depending where OP actually lives) just so you could post a comment. I quite like being called 'young lady' though!
 
Can I just mention that the rules have changed regarding slaughter of horses and any horses that have had drugs of any kind (bute etc) cannot now enter the food chain. This is instead of the old rules of allowing 6 weeks for withdrawal. A dreadful rule IMO and one DEFRA has imposed. I think its a negative step for animal welfare. Unless you have signed the back of the passport, vets should now be listing any drugs the horse has had in the passport that would affect its right to enter the food chain. Someone may correct me on the above but this is my understanding.
 
hch4971 said:
I haven't been rude, condescending or patronising at all, I just don't suffer fools gladly, it was ok for you to call OP a 'strange horse owner' because she asked a valid question, that was your opinion, just as I thought it was funny that you worked out the distance and travel time (regardless of the fact that W Yorks is quite a big place that could make an hour on or off the journey depending where OP actually lives) just so you could post a comment. I quite like being called 'young lady' though!
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Oh please. I know how long it takes to get from one place in England to another. Only an untravelled person would not know off the top of their head roughly how long it should take to get from A to B. And yes it is a strange horse owner who would travel their horse miles and miles out of their way just to have it killed. I actually have a feeling this thread is a great big joke at the expense of the softer members of this forum. I am not one of those members but I am also not blind. There has been a great deal of unkindness on this thread.
 
Yes, apparently if the horse has had 'bute' ever, it can't enter human food chain.
How would anybody go about proving it is another matter...
It is a bizarre decision, especially that phenylbutazone is a human drug and withdrawal periods are known (from competition horses' testing), but as the withdrawal periods haven't been specifically tested for slaughter/meat purposes, according to DEFRA they are not valid.
Madness
 
LEC said:
Can I just mention that the rules have changed regarding slaughter of horses and any horses that have had drugs of any kind (bute etc) cannot now enter the food chain. This is instead of the old rules of allowing 6 weeks for withdrawal. A dreadful rule IMO and one DEFRA has imposed. I think its a negative step for animal welfare. Unless you have signed the back of the passport, vets should now be listing any drugs the horse has had in the passport that would affect its right to enter the food chain. Someone may correct me on the above but this is my understanding.
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How does this affect auction horses who have barely any veterinary history with them?
 
LEC said:
Can I just mention that the rules have changed regarding slaughter of horses and any horses that have had drugs of any kind (bute etc) cannot now enter the food chain. This is instead of the old rules of allowing 6 weeks for withdrawal. A dreadful rule IMO and one DEFRA has imposed. I think its a negative step for animal welfare. Unless you have signed the back of the passport, vets should now be listing any drugs the horse has had in the passport that would affect its right to enter the food chain. Someone may correct me on the above but this is my understanding.
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I've yet to be asked for a passport by the vet whenever mine have been treated, I've used the same vet for 5 years, they have only passported one of mine and have never checked that the other 12 even have them despite prescribing bute and other relevant meds several times. If this is the way most vets work then I can't see it making a major difference although all mine are signed as not for consumption anyway so I guess Knackers or vet would be my only options. I would imagine that the bulk of animals that go through the slaughterhouse come from the low end dealers who would likely just replace any passport that meant they might not get their money anyway. As usual, the Defra decisions will only adversely affect the legitimate horse owners who follow the rules and won't be able to take their horses to the likes of Potters.
 
Two years ago we had a Hereford Heifer who was nasty as hell - she went to Stillmans - is that better?

ets if it is, then why? yes she was a beef breed but was bred to breed herself so what is the difference?
 
martlin said:
Yes, apparently if the horse has had 'bute' ever, it can't enter human food chain.
How would anybody go about proving it is another matter...
It is a bizarre decision, especially that phenylbutazone is a human drug and withdrawal periods are known (from competition horses' testing), but as the withdrawal periods haven't been specifically tested for slaughter/meat purposes, according to DEFRA they are not valid.
Madness
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I know they can't enter the human food chain if they have had bute, but will the hunt still shoot them and feed to hounds?
Or is that not allowed either?
I think I'm just not sure that if that bit of passport is signed, does it mean they can't be slaughtered full stop? x
 
jaypeebee said:
Oh please. I know how long it takes to get from one place in England to another. Only an untravelled person would not know off the top of their head roughly how long it should take to get from A to B. And yes it is a strange horse owner who would travel their horse miles and miles out of their way just to have it killed. I actually have a feeling this thread is a great big joke at the expense of the softer members of this forum. I am not one of those members but I am also not blind. There has been a great deal of unkindness on this thread.
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The untravelled would be me then, although I never travelled that far in a horsebox!

I don't think it is a joke, I think OP had a genuine question so that she could consider her options, it could also be that she didn't know that there were only 2 slaughterers in the country that dealt with horses as opposed to knacker men who will slaughter but not for the human food chain. I don't think there has been a lot of unkindness on the thread (well apart from when the 'troll' appeared last night, and I will admit to being rude to her because she was rude to everyone else). I am surprised at just how calm this thread has been considering the emotional subject, compared to others that have turned into free for alls and were far less emotional. I think there has been a lot of very useful information posted on this thread and the insults have been kept to a minimum. I'm afraid that the 'softer' members of the thread need to be able to face the facts, not everyone thinks in the same way. They are wrong to judge OP just because they cannot see her way of thinking and they don't know her circumstances.
 
I thought i did the "right" thing last year, and had by boy put down by injection, really horrible, never again. Had to have my really old mare pts in may, sent her to knackery yard. Done in 2 seconds. You have to be in the situation to understand. 2 seconds versus 10 mins, thats all i have to say!!!!!! And i thought poor cooper was going to be gone before he knew it!!!!
 
fitzaud2 said:
I thought i did the "right" thing last year, and had by boy put down by injection, really horrible, never again. Had to have my really old mare pts in may, sent her to knackery yard. Done in 2 seconds. You have to be in the situation to understand. 2 seconds versus 10 mins, thats all i have to say!!!!!! And i thought poor cooper was going to be gone before he knew it!!!!
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Yes, the stories on this thread have put me totally off LI, I was in two minds anyway after having a hen put down by an inexperienced vet and that taking 15 minutes instead of her just pulling the neck and it being done in seconds, I figure if they couldn't get it right with a hen what chance is there with a horse! I honestly think I will choose knacker over vet when the time comes.
 
hch4971 said:
I'm afraid that the 'softer' members of the thread need to be able to face the facts, not everyone thinks in the same way.
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From what Ive read the softer members of this thread are well aware of the facts. Life is precious but life means death in the end. There *is* a difference with the way death comes about. Every one who owns and is emotionally attached to their animals including so called fluffy bunnies have to make the decision on the kindest way to bring about the killing of their animal when time comes. Most people with an oz of generousity (sp) and kindness would make this end as comfortable for their animal as is with in their capability.

They are wrong to judge OP just because they cannot see her way of thinking and they don't know her circumstances.
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Also from what Ive read not many people judged the OP. There were only 2 or 3 people who strongly objected. There were many more who commented that they did not agree with her method of having the horse killed but they sounded polite about it.

I do not have any problem what so ever with the OP having her pony killed. If the pony is dangerous in her opinion then it could be that it is better off else where and if that be death then so it should be. I find it strange that a horse lover would travel so far and spend so many hours transporting a horse to its death when they could so easily have it killed without stress at home. It seems like OP is trying to punish pony and is glad it will be dead soon. Scant regard for life.
 
Whilst this has been very interesting I do get the feeling we are 'fiddling whilist Rome burns'. Wether someone gets or wants meat money is not an issue, the welfare crisis we face over the next few months and years is the issue for me. Anything even if its £50 that presuades someone to euthanase an animal for what ever reason is not assured a home that will provide for its welfare needs should be welcomed. Foals are selling for 2gns, if they sell at all. A bullet costs more than that and disposal under waste management rules a lot more .
I think most of us would wish to give any pony a chance but the scale of this is immense. I know a dealer who deals in 'killing' horses and there is no market for them, people are giving them to him for free. The sales, even Brightwells are saturated with animals going for 10gns. Some sales have 300-400 animals going through, and looking at the ones my dealer friend has cherry picked to store they are not all runty rubbish.
TB's yearlings not sold at Tattersalls are dumped because it 'costs to much' to take them home.
Lobby breed societies etc to support over breeding and please do not abuse anyone who is making this hard decision for what ever reason.
 
Jaypeebee, do you really think that is true? The impression I get of OP is that she has given this pony a chance, has put a lot of work in and made a decision that there is nothing else for it. The pony in question could be sold at auction tomorrow for a decent amount of money, if drugged to hide it's dangerous temperament, but she has not chosen this route (thank God)so it is not all about money and I don't think it has been an easy decision for her. Like I said, maybe she was just looking at her options as let's face it, how viable would it be to transport the pony all that way, there wouldn't be much left out of the money by the time travel was taken off. We have local knacker men, perhaps (and I am guessing at this) she thought that is where she would be taking the pony and getting paid for it, only she can tell you that for sure. She did state at the beginning that it wouldn't make her popular and that she didn't want to hear others opinions but she did ask a valid question. If what she says is true then she is an experienced horsewoman and quite capable of making the judgement on the pony, if she didn't believe she was right why the hell would she take a loss by having the pony PTS rather than selling it on. I suspect she is at the end of her tether handling a pony that tries to maim her when she has to handle it, having been there I know exactly how she feels, it gets you down. Whilst I don't think for a minute she will be 'glad' to see it dead I do think she will be relieved when it is over and she doesn't have to worry about being injured giving even basic care. The 2 or 3 that objected were almost abusive to her without knowing the true circumstances behind her decision. You will never see the 'fluffy bunny' statement on one of my posts, partly because I am probably the biggest one on the board (and partly because I know that TFC hates the term) but I am also realistic. The OP is hardly being cruel or abusive to the pony, she has just made a decision that others don't like.
 
jaypeebee said:
And here we go again :rolleyes: I made a completely valid comment and any one with even the smallest amount of grey matter would understand that considering Potters appears to have been the slaugher house of choice. And for your information I have made no pop at the OP. You on the other hand young lady have been rude, condescending and patronising at every opportunity on this thread.
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I agree with this. Everyone is intitled to their opinion, but it seems if you dont agree with certain people on here you are slated.
what ever the op does I hope for the sake of the animal that its quick and stress free. just hope it does not have to travel miles just for the sake of making a few pounds.
 
glitterbug said:
This on the whole has been a very informative post but after reading though all 53 pages what strikes me most about the two differing sides is that most people who have no problem with using Potters or turners also say that each to there own about the methods used i.e LI or bullet, hunts or vets whatever suits the individual and circumstances.
the other side seem much more vocal about pushing their points of view home as to why these places are so bad. Is it 'fluffyness' or is it lack of knowledge, I have known several people use Potters and have nothing but praise.
My only personal experience of LI was not pleasant, but would not condemn others for using it.
For some on here a different opinion to theirs is a cardinal sin.
sadly what we would want in an ideal world rarely happens.
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Excellent points - well made.:)
 
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