foxtrotter
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I am told that fluphenazine is used quite regularly in the eventing world. (SHOULDN'T BE !), and it's not difficult to find a vet to supply it. Anyone could buy reserpine off the internet. Just GOOGLE it!!
miss sold a horse
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TGM
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OP, there are lots of details missing from your tale!
1. What were the problems you experienced with the horse - bucking, rearing, spinning? Was this just when out hacking or also in the school? What did he actually do to break the professional rider's leg and exactly how 'professional' was this rider?
2. Did you hack the horse out when you tried it?
3. What were the problems referred to on Facebook by the previous owner and how long ago were they? Is it possible that he was difficult for her at first, but then his behaviour improved once he had settled in? Unless she is very dense I find it strange she would befriend you on Facebook knowing that you could read derogatory comments about the horse she sold you.
4. What were the grounds that made your vet suspect the horse had been doped in some way, and why did he suspect the drugs you mention.
1. What were the problems you experienced with the horse - bucking, rearing, spinning? Was this just when out hacking or also in the school? What did he actually do to break the professional rider's leg and exactly how 'professional' was this rider?
2. Did you hack the horse out when you tried it?
3. What were the problems referred to on Facebook by the previous owner and how long ago were they? Is it possible that he was difficult for her at first, but then his behaviour improved once he had settled in? Unless she is very dense I find it strange she would befriend you on Facebook knowing that you could read derogatory comments about the horse she sold you.
4. What were the grounds that made your vet suspect the horse had been doped in some way, and why did he suspect the drugs you mention.
bonnie93
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i have the same experience. had my mare for 3years now, wen i 1st had her we just hacked out and tried to get use to each other, but never got a bond (she was on part livery so didnt spend as much time with her) she was panicky and the yard enviroment didnt suit her, she was nothin like the horse i brought, was even tempted to check the blood test that was taken at the vetting.
aftr a year i moved to another yard, diy this time, with better facilities. because i was responsible for everything we started to make a bond and her behaviour completely changed due to the enviroment of the yard, she turned into the horse i brought!!
i started to bring her back up to fitness and started to compete, just for fun, even brought a little box to get out and about, she began to get fit, but due the bad winter we had and then injuries we didnt get to go out.
in march, just as she came back into work from injuries i decided to buy new box so i wudnt need a groom with me (lol) and even tho our scores were low we started to get fitter and better.
she was at peak of fitness in aug, and thats wen our problems started. she was great at home, she her lovely self, but wen went to shows she wud get stupid, came to a point where we cudnt warm up with horses because everytime they came towards us she wud rear/spin/bolt, and she started to get noisey and throw her weight around when travellin, never a problem to load, so not scared, just stupid!
neway, long story, but 2weeks ago we were at uk horse enthusiasts dressage champs at beaverhall, fit as shes ever bin,she was well behaved (bar the warm up!) and we were reserve champ in veteran class.
we loaded to go home and just as we were about to leave, she just went mental, threw herself around in the box and all i heard was metal crashin. jumped out the cab to find a lady screamin and my horse stuck in the living area, with a large laceration from the middle of her head to her left eye, she had thrown herself over the partition and into the back doors, the force threw the doors open. she had also ripped her fore leg open behind the elbow and become wedged on the partition. had lots of cuts under her flanks and massive swelling to her belly (she was stuck for over an hour while fire and rescue cut her out) she also took off half her back heel nicking an artery.
i am lucky to still have and that she didnt break any legs!
its a long story, but just shows that u cant judge a horse from its vetting or when u first try them.
her last owner wud not have known she cud be like this because she didnt take her to shows, needless to say its the end of our competing, as its taken all the fun out of it!
you made the right decision and you shud tell the last owner what had happened, she in no way attempted to help you when u contacted her, doesnt sound like a loving owner to me
LaurenM
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I'm in a similar position at the minute but wouldn't say I was mis-sold as the previous owner barely rode him.
WelshD
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Sadly you'll probably never get to the bottom of it
Perhaps the lady knew that the horse had been PTS so she contacted to with a view to making you feel guilty or confronting you so I would ignore her message personally, that situation cannot end well especially if she is one of those people whose hormones let them down after childbirth!
Perhaps the lady knew that the horse had been PTS so she contacted to with a view to making you feel guilty or confronting you so I would ignore her message personally, that situation cannot end well especially if she is one of those people whose hormones let them down after childbirth!
pastie2
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i have the same experience. had my mare for 3years now, wen i 1st had her we just hacked out and tried to get use to each other, but never got a bond (she was on part livery so didnt spend as much time with her) she was panicky and the yard enviroment didnt suit her, she was nothin like the horse i brought, was even tempted to check the blood test that was taken at the vetting.
aftr a year i moved to another yard, diy this time, with better facilities. because i was responsible for everything we started to make a bond and her behaviour completely changed due to the enviroment of the yard, she turned into the horse i brought!!
i started to bring her back up to fitness and started to compete, just for fun, even brought a little box to get out and about, she began to get fit, but due the bad winter we had and then injuries we didnt get to go out.
in march, just as she came back into work from injuries i decided to buy new box so i wudnt need a groom with me (lol) and even tho our scores were low we started to get fitter and better.
she was at peak of fitness in aug, and thats wen our problems started. she was great at home, she her lovely self, but wen went to shows she wud get stupid, came to a point where we cudnt warm up with horses because everytime they came towards us she wud rear/spin/bolt, and she started to get noisey and throw her weight around when travellin, never a problem to load, so not scared, just stupid!
neway, long story, but 2weeks ago we were at uk horse enthusiasts dressage champs at beaverhall, fit as shes ever bin,she was well behaved (bar the warm up!) and we were reserve champ in veteran class.
we loaded to go home and just as we were about to leave, she just went mental, threw herself around in the box and all i heard was metal crashin. jumped out the cab to find a lady screamin and my horse stuck in the living area, with a large laceration from the middle of her head to her left eye, she had thrown herself over the partition and into the back doors, the force threw the doors open. she had also ripped her fore leg open behind the elbow and become wedged on the partition. had lots of cuts under her flanks and massive swelling to her belly (she was stuck for over an hour while fire and rescue cut her out) she also took off half her back heel nicking an artery.
i am lucky to still have and that she didnt break any legs!
its a long story, but just shows that u cant judge a horse from its vetting or when u first try them.
her last owner wud not have known she cud be like this because she didnt take her to shows, needless to say its the end of our competing, as its taken all the fun out of it!
you made the right decision and you shud tell the last owner what had happened, she in no way attempted to help you when u contacted her, doesnt sound like a loving owner to me
i think if you had written this post in the english language we might be able to respond.
LoopyLouise
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Bit harsh
pastie2
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But true.
Horseyscot
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Not 3 and 4??
Bows to a fellow members superior knowledge....
acquit?
Does she mean adequate, do you think?
^^^ the reason I don't post as much these days when you get replies like these
^^^OP as others have said, I don't really think you can say this horse has been miss sold to you unless you have more proof. May I ask why you didn't get bloods taken at the vetting?
Sorry to hear your story and I hope it doesn't put you off horse ownership in the future.
cronkmooar
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Native ponies, just out of curiosity, are you the same native ponies that once frequented horse gossip?
Ted's mum
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lol! oh dear! x
Ted's mum
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what on earth are you on about?
Ted's mum
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Nativeponies - very true what you said...lol....at end of day OP should have gone to trading standards before she had said horse pts imo and got her money back..
nativetyponies
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Munchkin
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Ted's Mum: Grow up.
OP: I too had a dangerous horse PTS but to be honest I knew I was taking a risk by taking him on. Why? Because people selling horses very rarely tell the truth.
When it became apparent that he was going to kill me, himself or whoever else had the misfortune of riding him, I called the hunt and ended the story there.
If you dwell on it now, you'll drive yourself mad. You did what needed to be done, and I wish you luck in finding yourself a suitable horse.
OP: I too had a dangerous horse PTS but to be honest I knew I was taking a risk by taking him on. Why? Because people selling horses very rarely tell the truth.
When it became apparent that he was going to kill me, himself or whoever else had the misfortune of riding him, I called the hunt and ended the story there.
If you dwell on it now, you'll drive yourself mad. You did what needed to be done, and I wish you luck in finding yourself a suitable horse.
cronkmooar
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Seeing as you asked so politely! search on horse gossip - same user name (now banned) same helpful posts - strangely from the same area too
martlin
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How do you know from what area NP is posting?
Anyway, where is Guido when you need her?
miss_bird
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OP at the end of the day you tried this horse twice, passed a full vetting (minus bloods your choice) and when you first got him home he was still as you tried him.
Sorry to say as upsetting as it most likely was for you to have your horse PTS, i think you really have to put it behind you as it is a situation that will never have an ending
Sorry to say as upsetting as it most likely was for you to have your horse PTS, i think you really have to put it behind you as it is a situation that will never have an ending
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
With regard to modecate, the 'long' acting anti-psychotic deug. This only works as a longer term drug as the active ingredient is suspended in sesame oil, which is a slow dispersant through the muscle tissue. The longest acting dose for humans is one month, so I fail to see how it could last for three months in horses. Although these drugs are officially known as major tranquilizers, this is only a technical term and does not indicate that they act in the way you may expect a tranquilizer to work.
With regard to the horse in the OP, what a shame that it ended in this way, not mis-sold necessarily, but maybe not sold to the person most suited to it.
With regard to the horse in the OP, what a shame that it ended in this way, not mis-sold necessarily, but maybe not sold to the person most suited to it.
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PeterNatt
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Do not contact the seller.
Print off copies of the details on facebook.
Find a specialist equine solicitor and seek their advice and find out how much it would cost to take legal action.
You can then make a decision as to whether you wish to take action.
Print off copies of the details on facebook.
Find a specialist equine solicitor and seek their advice and find out how much it would cost to take legal action.
You can then make a decision as to whether you wish to take action.
SonnysHumanSlave
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^^^ the reason I don't post as much these days when you get replies like these
OP as others have said, I don't really think you can say this horse has been miss sold to you unless you have more proof. May I ask why you didn't get bloods taken at the vetting?
Sorry to hear your story and I hope it doesn't put you off horse ownership in the future.
Ditto
cptrayes
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This is VERY easy to explain, as anyone who breaks horses in for a living, or takes on other peoples failures will tell you.
When the horse is first in a new environment it is unsettled and unconfident. If it's a bully of a horse, this is the time to get on and ride it, before it starts to feel its feet and throw its weight around.
As to why it was OK when tried, sedatives are easily available online. Massive doses of magnesium sulphate or oxide will have the same effect. So will dehydration. So will working it to death on the lunge before the trier arrives, and leaving it all night in a horse walker.
So the new horse is unconfident. The new rider is totally confident, in ignorance. And it takes three months for the horse to settle in fully, cotton on to how to upset the new rider and then away you go.
If you buy from a reputable dealer you have legal protection from this kind of thing. From a private individual you are not protected. Sueing is a difficult game and friends of mine who WON their case ended up £10,000 out of pocket for legal fees because the seller simply went bankrupt, which is even easier now than it was then.
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missyme10
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I was gonna respond earlier, but thought it better to wait until the children had gone to bed
Personally I'd just let it go and learn from the experience, buying horses can be a minefield, I've had my share of problem horses and also surprisingly good ones, but thankfully never any damn right dangerous ones x
Personally I'd just let it go and learn from the experience, buying horses can be a minefield, I've had my share of problem horses and also surprisingly good ones, but thankfully never any damn right dangerous ones x
Kallibear
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Bloody hell, where did all the bad tempered nasty people come? I could understand some of the replies a little if the OP asked for advice or help, but she was only sharing a sad story. Get a grip.
OP - I feel really sorry for you, and if it's be a 16.3hh chestnut with flaxen mane n tail I'd have wonder if you were my friend in disgue.
My friend bought a stunning 8yr old 'bombproof confidence giver' for her to go out and have a bit of fun competing on. She was a slightly nervous but competant rider and handler and she spent AGES looking for the right horse.
Tried his out a couple of times, had him vetted and took him home, all excited.
Bucked her off on day 2 and by the next week he was too dangerous to ride. He would behave for while then just turn into an explosive bucking bronco.
She spend THOUSANDS having him investiagted by vets and chiros. Turned out he was so chroincally tense and stiff (despite passing the vetting!) that he needed a month off and mutiple massages just to relax him. She changed his tack, his feed. Had ground work lessons with him, animal communiation, everything.
After months of battling with him (and spend even more money of having his proffesionally schooled) he was no better. At this point I'd have PTS but she couldn't bring herself to do it, so she sent him to a very proffersional breaking and selling yard to be sold on for a fraction of the price she paid for him, and strict instructions he went to a suitable home. After a month of fighting with him the proffesinional rider got a handle on him and he eventually went to a home where he was, as last heard, happy if still a habitial bucker.
It was after he'd been sold that she found out he had always been a serious bucker, never suitable for someone nervous and was also VERY cereal intolerant, making him worse.
Sadly she had no come back with the seller as he was bought from a 'wanted' ad.
OP - I feel really sorry for you, and if it's be a 16.3hh chestnut with flaxen mane n tail I'd have wonder if you were my friend in disgue.
My friend bought a stunning 8yr old 'bombproof confidence giver' for her to go out and have a bit of fun competing on. She was a slightly nervous but competant rider and handler and she spent AGES looking for the right horse.
Tried his out a couple of times, had him vetted and took him home, all excited.
Bucked her off on day 2 and by the next week he was too dangerous to ride. He would behave for while then just turn into an explosive bucking bronco.
She spend THOUSANDS having him investiagted by vets and chiros. Turned out he was so chroincally tense and stiff (despite passing the vetting!) that he needed a month off and mutiple massages just to relax him. She changed his tack, his feed. Had ground work lessons with him, animal communiation, everything.
After months of battling with him (and spend even more money of having his proffesionally schooled) he was no better. At this point I'd have PTS but she couldn't bring herself to do it, so she sent him to a very proffersional breaking and selling yard to be sold on for a fraction of the price she paid for him, and strict instructions he went to a suitable home. After a month of fighting with him the proffesinional rider got a handle on him and he eventually went to a home where he was, as last heard, happy if still a habitial bucker.
It was after he'd been sold that she found out he had always been a serious bucker, never suitable for someone nervous and was also VERY cereal intolerant, making him worse.
Sadly she had no come back with the seller as he was bought from a 'wanted' ad.
honetpot
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Unfortuately when people are selling they can be very sparing with the truth. When you sell a house do you tell prospective buyers all its faults? You only tell people the good things and cover the cracks in the walls. Its up to you to find out why they are selling and 'read' what they don't say rather than what they do. I could not have done what this person has done to you but human nature being what it is I am not surprised.
You did the right thing, you are not a bad person and give your self a hug. I once bought a pony and it was a changed from and angel into a demon, never found out why.
I think the unsettled bully theory is the most likely. You just have to learn from the experience and don't do the same thing twice.
Who ever was bitching about the spelling, really! I thought this was supposed to be informative and fun? Whats a few dropped letters between friends.(or should that be a ?)
You did the right thing, you are not a bad person and give your self a hug. I once bought a pony and it was a changed from and angel into a demon, never found out why.
I think the unsettled bully theory is the most likely. You just have to learn from the experience and don't do the same thing twice.
Who ever was bitching about the spelling, really! I thought this was supposed to be informative and fun? Whats a few dropped letters between friends.(or should that be a ?)
thinlizzy
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sorry to hear of your troubles ive heard of horses getting fivestar vettings and then permanently lame within the month ,only showing up in x-rays ( makes you wonder if they are worth the money at times its a chance we all take hope you have a happy ending
nativetyponies
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I was gonna respond earlier, but thought it better to wait until the children had gone to bed
So how come you were allowed to stay up?
S'not fair..............
nativetyponies
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Bloody hell, where did all the bad tempered nasty people come? I could understand some of the replies a little if the OP asked for advice or help, but she was only sharing a sad story. Get a grip.
nasty? bad tempered? are you reading the same thread?
OP - I feel really sorry for you, and if it's be a 16.3hh chestnut with flaxen mane n tail I'd have wonder if you were my friend in disgue.
My friend bought a stunning 8yr old 'bombproof confidence giver' for her to go out and have a bit of fun competing on. She was a slightly nervous but competant rider and handler and she spent AGES looking for the right horse.
Tried his out a couple of times, had him vetted and took him home, all excited.
Bucked her off on day 2 and by the next week he was too dangerous to ride. He would behave for while then just turn into an explosive bucking bronco.
She spend THOUSANDS having him investiagted by vets and chiros. Turned out he was so chroincally tense and stiff (despite passing the vetting!) that he needed a month off and mutiple massages just to relax him. She changed his tack, his feed. Had ground work lessons with him, animal communiation, everything.
After months of battling with him (and spend even more money of having his proffesionally schooled) he was no better. At this point I'd have PTS but she couldn't bring herself to do it, so she sent him to a very proffersional breaking and selling yard to be sold on for a fraction of the price she paid for him, and strict instructions he went to a suitable home. After a month of fighting with him the proffesinional rider got a handle on him and he eventually went to a home where he was, as last heard, happy if still a habitial bucker.
It was after he'd been sold that she found out he had always been a serious bucker, never suitable for someone nervous and was also VERY cereal intolerant, making him worse.
Sadly she had no come back with the seller as he was bought from a 'wanted' ad.
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Bug2007
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There are plenty of ways to have a horse behave well when being tried.....de-hydration, drugs etc.....So he could still have been mis-sold.
Hard decision to make.......i'm sure you made the right decision for you and the horse, if you tried everything to sort it out, then it was the safer option, the next accident could have ended up with a death, and not just something broken......
PollyP99
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Showing empathy by sharing experiences is what adults do, you don't seem to have that in yourself so understandbly you don't recognise it.
How someone can make such crass remarks on a thread of this nature is beyond sick, I hope you are sub 15 years old, at least you will learn to play nicely as you grow up.