More revelations on AHAR

Chocolate moonbeam said:
Please tell me, what laws are there in place that state animal rescue centres must put up photographs of every single animal they've ever had come in, gone out and in their new homes.
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it's not a law. its best pratice.
The irish horse rehoming project, for an example, takes pics of every single horse, and owners are obliged to set up a folder of pics of the rehomed facebook page an update regularly. If a folder hasn't been updated the people ould get a gentle nudge from the manager of the charity to just check everything was ok
 
“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.
and, even more apt:

“There are people who are generic. They make generic responses and they expect generic answers. They live inside a box and they think people who don't fit into their box are weird. But I'll tell you what, generic people are the weird people. They are like genetically-manipulated plants growing inside a laboratory, like indistinguishable faces, like droids. Like ignorance.”
― C. JoyBell C.
 
paddi22 said:
it's not a law. its best pratice.
The irish horse rehoming project, for an example, takes pics of every single horse, and owners are obliged to set up a folder of pics of the rehomed facebook page an update regularly. If a folder hasn't been updated the people ould get a gentle nudge from the manager of the charity to just check everything was ok
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Since when was it law that a charity has to have a facebook page.

How on earth did they manage before the advent of computers and facebook?
 
they got letters?
Did you not read where paddi said it's not law it's best practice. You do seem to miss some rather key points on people's posts!
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Since when was it law that a charity has to have a facebook page.

How on earth did they manage before the advent of computers and facebook?
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You are obsessed with the law!

It is best practise for a charity to be showing EXACTLY the work they are doing and where the money is going. Why wouldn't you. It encourages people to see improvements. It's nice to see the animals helped. There is an onus on the charity to show where the money is going. If they are happy plastering the page with desperate cases to raise funds, then they should equally plaster the site with pics of the horses in the 'after' state. only AHAr Can't. because there are cases where the animals are worse. Do you think ANYONE who gave cash to help hero would be happy with theose pics? Thats why they dont put them up
 
ester said:
they got letters?
Did you not read where paddi said it's not law it's best practice. You do seem to miss some rather key points on people's posts!
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No, I saw it but as far as I know there is no policy booklet suggesting best practice methods, therefore it is your opinion that it is best practice.

Question is, what would you do if there was no AHAR facebook page :)
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
No, I saw it but as far as I know there is no policy booklet suggesting best practice methods, therefore it is your opinion that it is best practice.

Question is, what would you do if there was no AHAR facebook page :)
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no facebook, no donations, no ahar. simples.


Freedom from Hunger and Thirst - by ready access to fresh water and a diet to maintain full health and vigour.-failed by ahar
Freedom from Discomfort - by providing an appropriate environment including shelter and a comfortable resting area.-failed by ahar
Freedom from Pain, Injury or Disease - by prevention or rapid diagnosis and treatment.-fialed by ahar
Freedom to Express Normal Behaviour - by providing sufficient space, proper facilities and company of the animal's own kind. failed by ahar
Freedom from Fear and Distress - by ensuring conditions and treatment which avoid mental suffering.failed by ahar.

I rest my case.
 
paddi22 said:
You are obsessed with the law!

It is best practise for a charity to be showing EXACTLY the work they are doing and where the money is going. Why wouldn't you. It encourages people to see improvements. It's nice to see the animals helped. There is an onus on the charity to show where the money is going. If they are happy plastering the page with desperate cases to raise funds, then they should equally plaster the site with pics of the horses in the 'after' state. only AHAr Can't. because there are cases where the animals are worse. Do you think ANYONE who gave cash to help hero would be happy with theose pics? Thats why they dont put them up
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The law is relevant here. You are expecting this charity to work as you want it to rather than how it is prescribed in law.

If the place isn't breaking the law with anything they do then the complaints about it are hollow.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
The law is relevant here. You are expecting this charity to work as you want it to rather than how it is prescribed in law.

If the place isn't breaking the law with anything they do then the complaints about it are hollow.
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ok I'm getting really annoyed with your ongoing ignorance.The 5 freedoms as outline above state and are incoporated into the Animal welfare act in Ireland as per law:
Clear responsibilities on owners of animals to provide for the 5 freedoms - Freedom
from hunger and thirst,- ehm? see starving horse in video
discomfort,- knuckle walk of hero,no farrier care
pain, injury and disease, - hero
to exhibit natural behaviour,- how can natural behaviour be exhibited in her tormented state
from fear and distress - caused by pain

You are an ignorant, sorely misguided by an animal abuser faking as a rescuer. I can only hope that one day you will find out what you are defending and you will be as horrified as the people who have actually looked further than skin deep.
 
paddi22 said:
they have no system for keeping track of the animals. ON THEIR OWN rehoming page they have a rehomer who thought she was getting a mare and then ended up with a gelding. How does that happen? It happens when noone has a clue what is going on or how to run a place properly. They obviously didn't discuss the horse with her, or discuss what she was expecting. How are you told to expect a mare and then a gelding shows up. And this is ON THEIR OWN SUPPORTERS page
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In response to a veterinary inspection report and in reply to the following question. 'Are there detailed records on re-homing and fostering maintained and available'? AHARs reply as written by the inspecting officer was ' Yes. Records kept on equine and canine re-homing and fostering (if used)'.

Another question asked was 'are there detailed records maintained on all animals (including horses and farmed animals) rescued, re-homed and euthanized'? AHARS reply was, 'Yes records kept for all animals, rescued re-homed and euthanized'.

Another questioned asked was 'are horses currently rehomed to another EU Member State (including the UK) and in accordance with relevant requirements for the export of equidae'? AHAR response was NO. Dated 3rd Nov 2015.

Even from this small part of an inspection report it is clear that AHAR is not giving accurate replies to questions asked.
 
At least with all the rubbish you are spouting, chocolate moonbeam, you are keeping this thread at the top so more people read it and learn about AHAR...
 
Mollylittle said:
ok I'm getting really annoyed with your ongoing ignorance.The 5 freedoms as outline above state and are incoporated into the Animal welfare act in Ireland as per law:
Clear responsibilities on owners of animals to provide for the 5 freedoms - Freedom
from hunger and thirst,- ehm? see starving horse in video
discomfort,- knuckle walk of hero,no farrier care
pain, injury and disease, - hero
to exhibit natural behaviour,- how can natural behaviour be exhibited in her tormented state
from fear and distress - caused by pain

You are an ignorant, sorely misguided by an animal abuser faking as a rescuer. I can only hope that one day you will find out what you are defending and you will be as horrified as the people who have actually looked further than skin deep.
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Then if this is the case, as the letter from the DOA said the investigation is ongoing. Allow them to do their job.
 
puppyalert said:
In response to a veterinary inspection report and in reply to the following question. 'Are there detailed records on re-homing and fostering maintained and available'? AHARs reply as written by the inspecting officer was ' Yes. Records kept on equine and canine re-homing and fostering (if used)'.

Another question asked was 'are there detailed records maintained on all animals (including horses and farmed animals) rescued, re-homed and euthanized'? AHARS reply was, 'Yes records kept for all animals, rescued re-homed and euthanized'.

Another questioned asked was 'are horses currently rehomed to another EU Member State (including the UK) and in accordance with relevant requirements for the export of equidae'? AHAR response was NO. Dated 3rd Nov 2015.

Even from this small part of an inspection report it is clear that AHAR is not giving accurate replies to questions asked.
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Do you have a link to this inspection report?
 
Have just read this whole thread...I'm dumbstruck by the sheer ignorance shown in Chocolate Whatnot's posts.
I sometimes feel that social media could be one of the worst things to happen to animal welfare...it's too easy to spin a sob story and get gullible, albeit well meaning, people to donate.
Used correctly social media can be brilliant and has really helped alot of proper charities but there are so very many people using it to make a buck :(
AHAR could have help their hands up and said they were struggling, can't cope etc and genuine people would help but instead they've chosen to lie and leave animals suffering.
As for purchasing animals in the name of rescue...how on earth does that help?! I'd much sooner that these "breeders" couldn't offload their crap and thought twice about producing more than laughing all the way to the bank because of such misguided naivety.
There are far worse endings for horses than a bullet with the meat man...not to mention the fact that you have to consider why they are with him in the first place.
 
SatansLittleHelper said:
Have just read this whole thread...I'm dumbstruck by the sheer ignorance shown in Chocolate Whatnot's posts.
I sometimes feel that social media could be one of the worst things to happen to animal welfare...it's too easy to spin a sob story and get gullible, albeit well meaning, people to donate.
Used correctly social media can be brilliant and has really helped alot of proper charities but there are so very many people using it to make a buck :(
AHAR could have help their hands up and said they were struggling, can't cope etc and genuine people would help but instead they've chosen to lie and leave animals suffering.
As for purchasing animals in the name of rescue...how on earth does that help?! I'd much sooner that these "breeders" couldn't offload their crap and thought twice about producing more than laughing all the way to the bank because of such misguided naivety.
There are far worse endings for horses than a bullet with the meat man...not to mention the fact that you have to consider why they are with him in the first place.
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I totally and utterly agree.Unfortunately it is exactly this kind of ignorance that allows Ahar and their manager to make a small fortune.On the back of the suffering of thousands of animals.The mind baffles at the sheer size of it.Nothing any half intelligent person says to most ahar supporters will change their mind.There are just too many sheep in this world, eager to follow the one who shouts loudest.It has been this way since the beginning of mankind and it applies to all walks of life and all employment groups.
 
Chocolate moonbeam, as you seem to know a lot about AHAR please could you tell me why in the post requesting money to save animals at Knocknagoshel fair last week they have used a picture of Castleisland Fair? (It was baking hot here last week- the people in the picture have coats on, because Castleisland fair is in November!!)
Just another one of their innaccurate photos.....
 
SatansLittleHelper said:
Have just read this whole thread...I'm dumbstruck by the sheer ignorance shown in Chocolate Whatnot's posts.
I sometimes feel that social media could be one of the worst things to happen to animal welfare...it's too easy to spin a sob story and get gullible, albeit well meaning, people to donate.
Used correctly social media can be brilliant and has really helped alot of proper charities but there are so very many people using it to make a buck :(
AHAR could have help their hands up and said they were struggling, can't cope etc and genuine people would help but instead they've chosen to lie and leave animals suffering.
As for purchasing animals in the name of rescue...how on earth does that help?! I'd much sooner that these "breeders" couldn't offload their crap and thought twice about producing more than laughing all the way to the bank because of such misguided naivety.
There are far worse endings for horses than a bullet with the meat man...not to mention the fact that you have to consider why they are with him in the first place.
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It's also too easy for a group of people to get together to form an anti club, spin any rubbish they like about said charity and get people to fall onto the bandwagon.

So many animal rescue centres worldwide have these anti groups that follow their every move, criticise, complain, accuse etc.

A quick look on google throws up numerous hits about them, so AHAR are not unique in this.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
If the place isn't breaking the law with anything they do then the complaints about it are hollow.
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Right, you have pretty low expectations of charities funded by the public then really.
Although I think whether they have stayed within the law in Hero's case at least is very questionable, but if it is anything like the UK prosecutions of such type rarely happen against the people they ought to so lack of charges etc means nothing either.
 
Mollylittle said:
I totally and utterly agree.Unfortunately it is exactly this kind of ignorance that allows Ahar and their manager to make a small fortune.On the back of the suffering of thousands of animals.The mind baffles at the sheer size of it.Nothing any half intelligent person says to most ahar supporters will change their mind.There are just too many sheep in this world, eager to follow the one who shouts loudest.It has been this way since the beginning of mankind and it applies to all walks of life and all employment groups.
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You see, this is one such claim with nothing to back it up.

Can you prove she is making a small fortune?
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
It's also too easy for a group of people to get together to form an anti club, spin any rubbish they like about said charity and get people to fall onto the bandwagon.

So many animal rescue centres worldwide have these anti groups that follow their every move, criticise, complain, accuse etc.

A quick look on google throws up numerous hits about them, so AHAR are not unique in this.
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I pay very little attention to the anti club because it wouldn't be the first time such things have happened and been incorrect. I pay attention to the evidence in front of me, like Hero's feet and all the posts on the AHAR facebook- including the very obvious lies/misinformation in spite of the evidence. They give me plenty of information on their own without having to go to the other page.
 
stormox said:
Chocolate moonbeam, as you seem to know a lot about AHAR please could you tell me why in the post requesting money to save animals at Knocknagoshel fair last week they have used a picture of Castleisland Fair? (It was baking hot here last week- the people in the picture have coats on, because Castleisland fair is in November!!)
Just another one of their innaccurate photos.....
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Oh for goodness sake, it's a generic photo of a fair, does it have to be a photo of the exact fair taken that very day.

Is that really so important to you?
 
ester said:
Right, you have pretty low expectations of charities funded by the public then really.
Although I think whether they have stayed within the law in Hero's case at least is very questionable, but if it is anything like the UK prosecutions of such type rarely happen against the people they ought to so lack of charges etc means nothing either.
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No I don't. I do however expect people who accuse a wrongdoing, especially one that is suggesting a law has been broken to provide absolute proof of their claims.

If they can't do that, then what does that tell you about the accusation made?
 
ester said:
Right, you have pretty low expectations of charities funded by the public then really.
Although I think whether they have stayed within the law in Hero's case at least is very questionable, but if it is anything like the UK prosecutions of such type rarely happen against the people they ought to so lack of charges etc means nothing either.
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Whether they have stayed within the law is up to the authorities to determine. They are the ones who will have access to the information regarding this and any other animals care at the centre or any centre anti groups complain about.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
Oh for goodness sake, it's a generic photo of a fair, does it have to be a photo of the exact fair taken that very day.

Is that really so important to you?
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but it IS important. you are insinuating animal abuse takes place at one place and then have a photo of a completely different place. If i was the organisers of the other fair i'd be LIVID if photos of my fair were used. i wonder if they know?
 
Now, i've really had enough of entertaining your ignorance.Anyone wanting to see statements (I have found 2 pages) pm me here.:-). Mooonbeam..go entertain yourself as far as I'm concerned. Believe what you want, I believe you're simply too stupid to see the truth.
 
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