Moving Yards......WWD

I stand corrected then.

Legally binding or not, I'd still be inclined to pay a notice period.

It is unlikely that the Y/O would ever pursue you for costs due to the hassle it would cause but it could have a detrimental impact on your reputation and make it difficult to find a yard in future.
 
I haven't actually signed the contract for my yard and there isn't a notice period in it anyway. However, regardless, if I hadn't had a problem, I would give as MINIMUM the month's notice. Regardless of how she runs it, if you've been happy with the service, then you at least owe her some courtesy. Initially saying that you were leaving with less than a week before the move is nothing short of an insult and your relationship from then on is soured, whatever you do!

It's already been mentioned how small the horse world is and I'd certainly think twice about having someone on a yard who has form. If I were you I'd be approaching the YO with an apology for not thinking and honouring the month. No matter how well you get on with your new YO, their circumstances may change (or like in my case, they might die!!) and then you're stuffed.
 
Never had a contract on any land I have rented or even the yard I was on for ten years.

If I don't have anything written down in front of me holding me to terms then I'm not psycic so sue me (if your not already dodging the taxman of course) if I don't adhere to terms that were never given.

I have never been asked for notice, all the farmers I have rented land from have just let me be as long as my rent was up to date, never paid in advance either was always in arrears due to the fact that famer could ask for the land back at anypoint and my lease would be ended. I left my land within two weeks of being made unemployed told farmer the reason and he was fine with it, didn't want someone short of cash possibly owing him money so worked out well both ways.

Unless things are there in black and white OR been stated to me in a conversation then I'm sorry but how in the hell are you supposed to know. Also cash inhand and no receipt? How can It be proved in a court that the money was paid monthly/weekly? That part interested me the most out of this little thread. No papertrail no proof IMO.

Glad you have everything sorted and I wasn't required for an emergency flit ;)
 
Cant quote as on phone but I csn assure u all that my reputation with local liveries will remain intact.

There is an onus of responsibility on a YO to clearly state either verbally or in writing any terms attached to taking services from them. The onus is not on the client to guess the game terms or find out when they leave. AsI stated earlier previous yards where contracts were in place have made it clear notice of one month was required whereas yards with no contract have required none and been given little with no ill effect and relationships with these YO's have remained to this day intact. I dislike this assumption that people should jusf "know" there is a notice period of one month. No other business would get away with just saying that its implied you give us 30 days notice even though we didn't tel you when you took the service. Why should someone not even running a legit business be allowed to do this and then back that up with the threat of tarring someones reputation. Which she has not said she will do btw and the consequences of which if she did would be much worse for her than me but some on this thread have stated may be a consequence from other YO's. I think all yards should have contracts which leave no doubt of the rules of their premises and of the obligations they expect from liveries. I have had no issues with yards where a clear set of rules applies to both parties due to a contract being in existense.

Anyway as I said we have agreed parting terms which we are in agreement with and I leave tomorrow. Suffice to say I will not make the mistake of failing to ask about notice in future
 
How dare the YO expect reasonable notice!?
Go down when she's not expecting it, shout 'up yours *****', throw her a days livery in tuppence pieces, jump on the horse and gallop to freedom (on the verge).
 
Patterdale said:
How dare the YO expect reasonable notice!?
Go down when she's not expecting it, shout 'up yours *****', throw her a days livery in tuppence pieces, jump on the horse and gallop to freedom (on the verge).
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Steady girl , give me that two litre bottle of diamond white at once.
 
Sorry OP but you are completely in the wrong here.

Whether you like it or not, you DO have a contract and in a court of law that is what would be stated.

You pay monthly, therefore the correct notice term in one month. Your YO is being very kind with giving you two weeks.

I am gobsmacked that you think it is acceptable to give someone five days notice when they derive an income from it. Imagine if your boss suddenly said you won't be paid a penny in five days time for no other reason than it suited him. HR would go mental as he would be completely in the wrong. You say you regret raising it to two weeks, well tough, you've been extremely rude and I'm not surprised your YO was angry. I am not at all condoning her behaviour, she overreacted, I just find it amazing how you can't see how inappropriately you have handled this situation.

Sorry, this post might be a bit harsh, I just intensely dislike it when people treat other people in such a dismissive manner.
 
How can you compare a livery yard to leaving your job?? The two are nothing like each other :confused: How is someone supposed to know the rules of a yard if they are not given.

Surely some of YO's that are replying to this thread would state your rules to a new livery on arrival or even before a person came onto your yard yes?? This YO didnt so whose at fault? The YO for not stating the rules or the livery for breaking them??? Really people, YO's can and do get a lot of stick sometimes BUT if you make the mistake then surely you will take the consequences of that?? Or is it still the livery's fault due to the fact YO's can act any way they please on their land ;) :D

This isnt a dig at YO's I was a YM for a number of years and it was myself that took the stick from liveries as YO left me to run the yard. If people wanted to to leave as long as they were up to date they left and we advertised and filled the stable, end of. This sort of crap makes me glad i dont do livery yards and just rent my own land. id rather deal with any grumpy obstinate farmers (yes I am describing my father here he was a farmer ;) ) than some of the crackpots who call themselves YO's, again not a slur to ALL YO's before someone decides to take offence and a nonexistant personal slur ;)
 
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Not the best comparison I agree, I was just trying to give another situation where someone suddenly has income taken away from them. And this isn't even yard rules, firstly it's common courtesy to give a decent bit of notice, not even 5 days was given at this point, and secondly it's the law.
 
I provided notice in keeping with the I information I was given or rather not given when I agreed to take the service. I was not told I was required to give a months notice when leaving so I didnt. If Im not told I need to do something how am I supposed to know. My employer cannot stop paying me as I have a contract that says he cant. I did not have a contract saying I had to give a months notice so I did not. Had I been aware I needed to give a months notice I would have. If I took services from any other company they would be required to inform me of any contractual obligations on my part, for example 31 days notice to cancel that service. If they did not and could not prove they had I would not be held to that months notice period. I know this as I deal with scenarios like these I my job every day. Why are livery yards any different?
 
Black Beastie said:
How can you compare a livery yard to leaving your job?? The two are nothing like each other :confused: How is someone supposed to know the rules of a yard if they are not given.

Surely some of YO's that are replying to this thread would state your rules to a new livery on arrival or even before a person came onto your yard yes?? This YO didnt so whose at fault? The YO for not stating the rules or the livery for breaking them??? :D
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A better comparison would be renting a flat or house where similar rulings are applied.

I am not a yard owner but had reason to investigate the rules as a tenant with no contract and when I was renting out a spare room and needed to get someone out. The same applies, both parties entered into a contract by paying and moving in (livery or tenant) and accepting money. (landlord).

They are still required to give reasonable notice. And where there is no contract stating the notice required then frequency of payment is used as the guidelines for what constitutes reasonable notice.

A little development I found recently is when you want to move, YM's are starting to ask why you left your last yards and references from 2 previous yard managers and that's without including the yards with a waiting list who will only take people on recommendation from existing liveries.
 
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Livery yards are not that different. In the absence of evidence of the agreement between the parties, the courts will imply some terms (not all - they won't create a whole contract for you). Notice to leave in relation to land is one. They would do the same in an employment situation. If a person was paid weekly, they would imply a weekly notice period etc.
 
I would never expect to leave a yard without paying a full months notice, irrespective of whether I had a written contract or not. It is called common curtosy.
I am not surprised the YO was p*ssed off.
You have now burnt your bridges, you state the yard was good - what if you need to go back there in the future?
Personally I'd advise you apologise, pay up the months notice and leave on a better note ..
 
I think you'd have to have been living in some sort of bubble (or perhaps on another planet) not to know that your notice period equates to your payment date.

No wonder nice yards are becoming so far and few between. It really does seem that people want something for nothing, and absolutely everything on their terms.
 
At the end of the day I did not know I had to give a months notice. So I gave her 5 days as I wanted to move a quickly. She then told me it was a months notice went off her head at me threatened to throw my horses out or lock them up and involved 2 fellow liveries who had nothing to do with it. So I offered her a compromise rather than leave having fallen out with her and she a a accepted that. She will have another horse in the stables very quickly and will not be inconvenienced financially.
 
Hevs said:
I provided notice in keeping with the I information I was given or rather not given when I agreed to take the service.
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If you were told verbally you only needed to give a few day's notice when you wanted to leave then yes that would be a verbal contract though difficult to prove as it would be your word against YO.

If you weren't told anything and it wasn't discussed then the law will as Kate0 says imply certain terms.
That you weren't aware of this doesn't make it less true.
 
I think people are being a little harsh towards OP. It seems to have been resolved amicably. Good luck OP, hope the move goes well.
 
And fyi I have a great relationship with all other YO's I have had and would be welcomed back to them all. As I have said repeatedly some yards I have been on have asked for notice some havent. Its my experience that YOs who want notice tell u. Those that dont do not. She didnt. So its fair to say Iassumed she did not from experience. YOs cannot just assume people know what they want. There is an onus of responsibility on them to tel people what they expect so as far as I am concerned she is at much at fault as I am. And this is one bridge that can stay burned.
 
Hevs said:
And fyi I have a great relationship with all other YO's I have had and would be welcomed back to them all. As I have said repeatedly some yards I have been on have asked for notice some havent. Its my experience that YOs who want notice tell u. Those that dont do not. She didnt. So its fair to say Iassumed she did not from experience. YOs cannot just assume people know what they want. There is an onus of responsibility on them to tel people what they expect so as far as I am concerned she is at much at fault as I am. And this is one bridge that can stay burned.
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I can see both sides really, but I hope your YO isn't on here, as it will probably wind her up even more!
 
Implied contracts are recognised in Scottish law, whether it would be worth the hassle of the yo to pursue it through a court is another story.
You would be liable for notice payment op, the court would probably use your normal payment method as a benchmark for what youre liable to pay, eg. Pay monthly, months notice, whether you want to aknowledge it or not the yo deserves notice to this effect.
 
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