toffeesmarty
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It was a joke- read the previous message
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piebaldsparkle
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Ahhh- but the horses have regular breaks where they graze and absorb the lesson and rest their minds...
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I cannot believe you just wrote that. I would expect my barbie to come out with a quote like that- are you all there?
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Not sure what I find funnier............the original quote or.............the fact Rosiie has a Barbie!!!!
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Ahhh- but the horses have regular breaks where they graze and absorb the lesson and rest their minds...
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I cannot believe you just wrote that. I would expect my barbie to come out with a quote like that- are you all there?
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Not sure what I find funnier............the original quote or.............the fact Rosiie has a Barbie!!!!
Taboo1968
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OOOOOps:
Delete 'lesson' and enter 'game'.
Delete 'mind' and enter 'right brain/left brain'.
See how easy it is to speak horseanality?
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Or should that be delete mind and enter BRAINWASHED
And Delete lesson and enter - waste time on the ground for hours
OOOOOps:
Delete 'lesson' and enter 'game'.
Delete 'mind' and enter 'right brain/left brain'.
See how easy it is to speak horseanality?
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Or should that be delete mind and enter BRAINWASHED
And Delete lesson and enter - waste time on the ground for hours
toffeesmarty
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Yippee I've been called a Barbie. If thats you in your siggie, you've just made someone old enough to be your mother VERY happy!!!!
RunToEarth
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toffee- sorry, me that read it wrong- blame the concussion.
Piebaldsparkle- It's a horse rider one, and the horse is a NH horse, and has a carrot stick, and my barbie has the word "MUG" written across her forehead for Parelli to see...
Piebaldsparkle- It's a horse rider one, and the horse is a NH horse, and has a carrot stick, and my barbie has the word "MUG" written across her forehead for Parelli to see...
toffeesmarty
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Don't apologise I'm happy having my Barbie moment.
I've just had my graze (rest) to clear my head (right brain/leftbrain) so that I can keep reading (playing game)
Now back to the issue in hand (don't call it work!!!!!).
Where were we?
I've just had my graze (rest) to clear my head (right brain/leftbrain) so that I can keep reading (playing game)
Now back to the issue in hand (don't call it work!!!!!).
Where were we?
piebaldsparkle
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O.K. you're excused. Thought you'd gone soft on us for a minute there!!!!
YorksG
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Enid and Donald Whittaker taught all their children to ride, if you had offered Donald a carrot stick, he would have thought that it was something to eat, when he found out what it was he would have laughed for months and then been very P'd off that he hadn't marketed it first
. Their ponies behaved on the ground and taught many children to ride in their riding school. If you wanted to play games, it was cowboys and indians, or gymkhana games, God help anyone who had tried to spend 2 hours on the ground with a pony. Incedentally they were also part of the Rockwood pony club.
. Their ponies behaved on the ground and taught many children to ride in their riding school. If you wanted to play games, it was cowboys and indians, or gymkhana games, God help anyone who had tried to spend 2 hours on the ground with a pony. Incedentally they were also part of the Rockwood pony club.RunToEarth
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Rockwood Pony Club breeds the best kind- I have had some good times up at rockwood camp at Woodnook!!
I went upto Stephen Whitaker's last week as I am friends with one of his sons. They are wonderfully old school with their horses, and look where they have got, some serious understanding goes on up there, along with some intresting use of bailer twine!
I went upto Stephen Whitaker's last week as I am friends with one of his sons. They are wonderfully old school with their horses, and look where they have got, some serious understanding goes on up there, along with some intresting use of bailer twine!
toffeesmarty
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How do they use the baler twine? Is it in place of reins?
I thought rope was much better than baler twine. Perhaps you should suggest rope?
I thought rope was much better than baler twine. Perhaps you should suggest rope?
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
Indeed, The Rockwood does indeed produce the best
I have had the experience of playing dominoes for 10p a corner with Donald in the past (I am the same age, roughly, as Ian, the youngest of the boys) and can stand witness that the man would argue for hours if he lost
PapaFrita
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Ahhh- but the horses have regular breaks where they graze and absorb the lesson and rest their minds...
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I cannot believe you just wrote that. I would expect my barbie to come out with a quote like that- are you all there?
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OMG!! Rosiie!! I can't believe you've got a Barbie!!!
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Ahhh- but the horses have regular breaks where they graze and absorb the lesson and rest their minds...
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I cannot believe you just wrote that. I would expect my barbie to come out with a quote like that- are you all there?
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OMG!! Rosiie!! I can't believe you've got a Barbie!!!
cazmoreton
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(QUOTE)Yep, that's the problem with Parelli, it's by no means the best example of this type of training. My problems with Parelli training:
Bull clips. - i have no idea what we do with bull clips :S
Yo Yo "game" - Slight sweeping statement, theres surely no problem with the yoyo game its the way some people do it, theres no problem with getting your horse to move away from you and come back?
4 phases - The 4 phases are surely a good thing as they teach to start gently and get firmer and surely th ehorse learns to be more responsive.
Calling work "games" - Its like at school and things you sometimes play games in maths to help you with numbers?
Not teaching the true meaning of the "friendly game" - I agree, way too many people dont understand and its wrong, but we cant blame that on pat and linda parelli?
Failing to link groundwork with ridden work.- I just honestly think it is linked, i dont often ride parelli as i plainly dont enjoy it, i'd much rather be doing some x-country
Working horses in patterns for too long - I dont gettit?
Encouraging the horses to work incorrectly.- The parelli's dont? its th epeople who go in to NH with no experience.
Riding with Fluidity (aaargh!). - Linda's a good enough rider and spends enough time with her horses, i realllllly doubt she'd be "riding with fluidity" if it wasn't helping with her dressage etc OR if it was upsetting her horse
Shimming saddles up to compensate for poor fit. - that has no relevanse to the NH they do whatso ever
Bits to fit "horsenalities" - I dont use parelli tack or riding equipment so i have no knowlege, but traditional people have different bits for different horses?
Horsenalities - Dont you think different ways to do it with different horses is surely a good thing?, surely all you know that a spooky flighty horse needs more confidense giving and a lazy cheeky pony needs much more leadership? its obvious surely:S And the whole Horsinalities helps novicey NH people no end! because they cant just read a hores personality.
Sorry if i took any of that wrong i'm only 14 so sorry.
I was trad from 3 till i was about 12 so i have no problems with you atall and honestly think everyone should just leave people to do things their own way, as long as the horse is happy
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Bull clips. - i have no idea what we do with bull clips :S
Yo Yo "game" - Slight sweeping statement, theres surely no problem with the yoyo game its the way some people do it, theres no problem with getting your horse to move away from you and come back?
4 phases - The 4 phases are surely a good thing as they teach to start gently and get firmer and surely th ehorse learns to be more responsive.
Calling work "games" - Its like at school and things you sometimes play games in maths to help you with numbers?
Not teaching the true meaning of the "friendly game" - I agree, way too many people dont understand and its wrong, but we cant blame that on pat and linda parelli?
Failing to link groundwork with ridden work.- I just honestly think it is linked, i dont often ride parelli as i plainly dont enjoy it, i'd much rather be doing some x-country
Working horses in patterns for too long - I dont gettit?
Encouraging the horses to work incorrectly.- The parelli's dont? its th epeople who go in to NH with no experience.
Riding with Fluidity (aaargh!). - Linda's a good enough rider and spends enough time with her horses, i realllllly doubt she'd be "riding with fluidity" if it wasn't helping with her dressage etc OR if it was upsetting her horse
Shimming saddles up to compensate for poor fit. - that has no relevanse to the NH they do whatso ever
Bits to fit "horsenalities" - I dont use parelli tack or riding equipment so i have no knowlege, but traditional people have different bits for different horses?
Horsenalities - Dont you think different ways to do it with different horses is surely a good thing?, surely all you know that a spooky flighty horse needs more confidense giving and a lazy cheeky pony needs much more leadership? its obvious surely:S And the whole Horsinalities helps novicey NH people no end! because they cant just read a hores personality.
Sorry if i took any of that wrong i'm only 14 so sorry.
I was trad from 3 till i was about 12 so i have no problems with you atall and honestly think everyone should just leave people to do things their own way, as long as the horse is happy
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Booboos
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Horsenalities - Dont you think different ways to do it with different horses is surely a good thing?, surely all you know that a spooky flighty horse needs more confidense giving and a lazy cheeky pony needs much more leadership? its obvious surely:S And the whole Horsinalities helps novicey NH people no end! because they cant just read a hores personality.
Sorry if i took any of that wrong i'm only 14 so sorry.
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Caz_poynter no need to apologize for your age, you make a very elloquent and interesting case.
I entirely agree with you that horses are different and it would help all owners to be able to identify what kind of horse they have to respond accordingly, I just don't think Horsenality does any of that.
1. I don't think Horsenality corresponds to reality. There is nothing left or right brained about the horses they describe (what the hell is left or right brained anyway??? It sounds like a funny quiz on Facebook, but no one who does those really thinks they reveal anything about your personality?!). Don't start me on introvert/extrovert, terms popularized by Carl Jung and non-sensical when applied to animals. The shame is that there is a lot of decent literature on animal training and a lot of lively debate from different opinions so why not go directly to that rather than making things up?
2. I don't think Horsenality does help owners. If you offer something terribly general which can change in a matter of minutes as well. I've seen Linda call a horse a left-brain introvert when it first came into the pen, then change it to a right-brain extrovert, then change it again to a right-brain introvert, all within a space of half an hour - which can only mean: horse behaviour is varied, it can't be captured in a quick catchphrase. So despite claiming to have a flexible approach, P does pigeon-hole horses to set and therefore inappropriate responses - disasterous for the owner who ends up doing the wrong thing at the wrong time because that is what the horsenality chart says.
Horsenalities - Dont you think different ways to do it with different horses is surely a good thing?, surely all you know that a spooky flighty horse needs more confidense giving and a lazy cheeky pony needs much more leadership? its obvious surely:S And the whole Horsinalities helps novicey NH people no end! because they cant just read a hores personality.
Sorry if i took any of that wrong i'm only 14 so sorry.
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Caz_poynter no need to apologize for your age, you make a very elloquent and interesting case.
I entirely agree with you that horses are different and it would help all owners to be able to identify what kind of horse they have to respond accordingly, I just don't think Horsenality does any of that.
1. I don't think Horsenality corresponds to reality. There is nothing left or right brained about the horses they describe (what the hell is left or right brained anyway??? It sounds like a funny quiz on Facebook, but no one who does those really thinks they reveal anything about your personality?!). Don't start me on introvert/extrovert, terms popularized by Carl Jung and non-sensical when applied to animals. The shame is that there is a lot of decent literature on animal training and a lot of lively debate from different opinions so why not go directly to that rather than making things up?
2. I don't think Horsenality does help owners. If you offer something terribly general which can change in a matter of minutes as well. I've seen Linda call a horse a left-brain introvert when it first came into the pen, then change it to a right-brain extrovert, then change it again to a right-brain introvert, all within a space of half an hour - which can only mean: horse behaviour is varied, it can't be captured in a quick catchphrase. So despite claiming to have a flexible approach, P does pigeon-hole horses to set and therefore inappropriate responses - disasterous for the owner who ends up doing the wrong thing at the wrong time because that is what the horsenality chart says.
Tinypony
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Bull clips. - smack horses round the face, sometimes when you are just moving about with them (especially when your rope halter is too big).
Yo Yo "game" - I have again re-visited the Yo Yo game, watching a PNH instructor apply it. Phase 4 still smacks the horse around the face with a bit of metal, so I don't like it. Also, it encourages the horse to backup with the head in the air, not in a correct soft shape.
4 phases - Not good, because the increasing pressure encourages the horses to set against, and react to a higher "phase". If you forget phases and just use a softest cue then reinforce it with something different you will get better results.
Calling work "games" - Calling work games misleads many people into thinking their horses are having fun. Often they are not. Especially in the early days.
Not teaching the true meaning of the "friendly game" - Yes we can, because it is Pat and Linda's system. The Friendly Game is as much about de-sensitisation as it is about friendly stuff, and as such can be tough learning for the horses. Students understanding this would help the horses. Also, this "game" gets over-used and bores horses stiff.
Failing to link groundwork with ridden work.- It isn't linked clearly from day 1 of a level 1 clinic. You can spend 2 days on the ground without feeling, or even discussing, how it feels on-board. Also, this means that groundwork is considered acceptable when it is heavy and braced - something nobody wants from their ridden work, they should be consistent.
Working horses in patterns for too long - Talk to some ex Parelli level 2 students, who have knackered their horses by over-using things like the Clover Leaf. (and yes, this is still advised).
Encouraging the horses to work incorrectly.- The parelli's dont? Yes they do, search the Enlightened Equitation forum.
Riding with Fluidity (aaargh!). - as above, look at EE for an explanation of how this is not beneficial for the horse.
Shimming saddles up to compensate for poor fit. - No? Then why do instructors advise it? You need to look into the fitting of the Palli saddles.
Bits to fit "horsenalities" - I dont use parelli tack or riding equipment so i have no knowlege, but traditional people have different bits for different horses? - Yes - not based on their psychology - based on way of going, shape of mouth etc.
Horsenalities - Dont you think different ways to do it with different horses is surely a good thing? Yes, but you need to learn to read the horse in front of you, which I think is a constant dynamic. I don't think it's helpful to pigeon-hole horses with something like a questionnaire from a woman's mag. Too many people assess the "horsenanility" and then refer to it ever after.
Just to say - in the view of some I am dyed-in-the-wool NH, but not Parelli. It was a starting point for me, but I have studied enough now to know that it's not for me. I don't even post photos here because some of my horses are ridden in a rope halter.
Yo Yo "game" - I have again re-visited the Yo Yo game, watching a PNH instructor apply it. Phase 4 still smacks the horse around the face with a bit of metal, so I don't like it. Also, it encourages the horse to backup with the head in the air, not in a correct soft shape.
4 phases - Not good, because the increasing pressure encourages the horses to set against, and react to a higher "phase". If you forget phases and just use a softest cue then reinforce it with something different you will get better results.
Calling work "games" - Calling work games misleads many people into thinking their horses are having fun. Often they are not. Especially in the early days.
Not teaching the true meaning of the "friendly game" - Yes we can, because it is Pat and Linda's system. The Friendly Game is as much about de-sensitisation as it is about friendly stuff, and as such can be tough learning for the horses. Students understanding this would help the horses. Also, this "game" gets over-used and bores horses stiff.
Failing to link groundwork with ridden work.- It isn't linked clearly from day 1 of a level 1 clinic. You can spend 2 days on the ground without feeling, or even discussing, how it feels on-board. Also, this means that groundwork is considered acceptable when it is heavy and braced - something nobody wants from their ridden work, they should be consistent.
Working horses in patterns for too long - Talk to some ex Parelli level 2 students, who have knackered their horses by over-using things like the Clover Leaf. (and yes, this is still advised).
Encouraging the horses to work incorrectly.- The parelli's dont? Yes they do, search the Enlightened Equitation forum.
Riding with Fluidity (aaargh!). - as above, look at EE for an explanation of how this is not beneficial for the horse.
Shimming saddles up to compensate for poor fit. - No? Then why do instructors advise it? You need to look into the fitting of the Palli saddles.
Bits to fit "horsenalities" - I dont use parelli tack or riding equipment so i have no knowlege, but traditional people have different bits for different horses? - Yes - not based on their psychology - based on way of going, shape of mouth etc.
Horsenalities - Dont you think different ways to do it with different horses is surely a good thing? Yes, but you need to learn to read the horse in front of you, which I think is a constant dynamic. I don't think it's helpful to pigeon-hole horses with something like a questionnaire from a woman's mag. Too many people assess the "horsenanility" and then refer to it ever after.
Just to say - in the view of some I am dyed-in-the-wool NH, but not Parelli. It was a starting point for me, but I have studied enough now to know that it's not for me. I don't even post photos here because some of my horses are ridden in a rope halter.
Tinypony
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Cor, I got out the bed the wrong side this am.
I think there have been some interesting points of view in this thread, reading between the usual p*ss taking.
If anyone is really interested in looking into different ways of training horses and people then I'd just say it's worth looking beyond Parelli and taking time to spectate at some clinics with different trainers before spending any time and money on it yourself. You need to look beyond differences in equipment used, and sometimes beyond what evangelical students waffle on about, to what the trainer actually does. A good trainer - NH or whatever - will be able to support anyone who wants a bit of input, even members of the hunting fraternity. (Mostly they seem to ask about getting better brakes. I take my hat off to them, hunting women are bave Amazons to me.
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Personally, I ride my horses, and I do groundwork, and I do liberty work, because I enjoy all of it. I think that is what having horses is supposed to be about - enjoying them.
I think there have been some interesting points of view in this thread, reading between the usual p*ss taking.
If anyone is really interested in looking into different ways of training horses and people then I'd just say it's worth looking beyond Parelli and taking time to spectate at some clinics with different trainers before spending any time and money on it yourself. You need to look beyond differences in equipment used, and sometimes beyond what evangelical students waffle on about, to what the trainer actually does. A good trainer - NH or whatever - will be able to support anyone who wants a bit of input, even members of the hunting fraternity. (Mostly they seem to ask about getting better brakes. I take my hat off to them, hunting women are bave Amazons to me.
Personally, I ride my horses, and I do groundwork, and I do liberty work, because I enjoy all of it. I think that is what having horses is supposed to be about - enjoying them.
sqippa
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Can I just lead you away from 'taring everyone with the same brush'. We have had some great debate on this thread and I'd hate to see it degenerate.
I ride 6 days a week with my boy and do parelli (only on the ground though). You have had some bad experience of Parelli but not everyone has so to enlighten those of us who can not quite understand the resentment please explain the basis for your negativity and maybe we will all understand each other a little better rather than simply slagging off or bashing things we don't like/get on with.
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I ride 6 days a week with my boy and do parelli (only on the ground though). You have had some bad experience of Parelli but not everyone has so to enlighten those of us who can not quite understand the resentment please explain the basis for your negativity and maybe we will all understand each other a little better rather than simply slagging off or bashing things we don't like/get on with.
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sqippa
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I don't consider myself evangelical about Parelli at all. I'm open minded to anything that helps me work better and enjoy my horse. Sadly you have had some negative experiences but that doesn't justify slagging off everyone who has had a dabble and assuming that we are all ignorant, useless horse owners.
It is a shame that you feel so unable or willing to enlighten others as to your resentment. I am happy to explain why I enjoy it, I am also happy to listen to others opinions and allow others to have different opinions however there is nothing less effective as an arguement than to refuse to explain yourself.
By the way I fully agree that you do not need to justify your opinion but a little explanation my help and preventy others from seing you as narrow minded...perhaps even as narrow minded as you consider Parelli people to be. Worth thinking about?
Never mind...each to there own.
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It is a shame that you feel so unable or willing to enlighten others as to your resentment. I am happy to explain why I enjoy it, I am also happy to listen to others opinions and allow others to have different opinions however there is nothing less effective as an arguement than to refuse to explain yourself.
By the way I fully agree that you do not need to justify your opinion but a little explanation my help and preventy others from seing you as narrow minded...perhaps even as narrow minded as you consider Parelli people to be. Worth thinking about?
Never mind...each to there own.
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Tinypony
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Squippa - who are you talking to? Me?
Actually, I think you must be... so...
Where did I say you were evangelical? I didn't. In fact, I didn't even say Parelli students are evangelical, I said that some students of some trainers can be.
I thought I'd given some fairly good reasons why I wasn't keen on some of Parelli in the post above... do you need more clarification? Just let me sip my tea then and I'll be back...
Actually, I think you must be... so...
Where did I say you were evangelical? I didn't. In fact, I didn't even say Parelli students are evangelical, I said that some students of some trainers can be.
I thought I'd given some fairly good reasons why I wasn't keen on some of Parelli in the post above... do you need more clarification? Just let me sip my tea then and I'll be back...
sqippa
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Have to say that your friend does seem to use it rather excessively. maybe that is the amount of work you need to put in to get to the liberty stage which I am sure must be very rewarding. I couldn't be bothered to do that much and used it initially as a stop gap when he was out of ridden workl. still 'play' once a week and use the methods whenever I am dealing with him from the ground.
Seems to me that there are a certain number of people oin here whose negativity is due to seeing the live performances, the 'show stuff', maybe this is where Parelli has gone wrong and as I can't claim to have seen much of that I have only had positive experiences.
Thanks for you input...maybe I need to get watching and see what that does..or maybe I had just better not bother??
Sqip
Seems to me that there are a certain number of people oin here whose negativity is due to seeing the live performances, the 'show stuff', maybe this is where Parelli has gone wrong and as I can't claim to have seen much of that I have only had positive experiences.
Thanks for you input...maybe I need to get watching and see what that does..or maybe I had just better not bother??
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sqippa
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No...to Papafrita..
It gets very confusing doesn't it
Maybe I should address the person at the start to avaoid confusion??
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It gets very confusing doesn't it
Maybe I should address the person at the start to avaoid confusion??
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Tinypony
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OK - Squippa, to make your posts intelligible it might help if you quote the bits that people have said when you respond, then we will know who you are talking to and what about.
sqippa
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Well i did start to try that but got way too confused..Fancy giving me the instructions Tiny? Shilisdair seems a real wizz at it and have to say I feel totally iincompetent next to you experiences posters!
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sqippa
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Have to agree with you on the horseanality thing here Booboo.
I like the idea of accepting that horses are all different and that therefor what works for one does not necessarily work for another but I have not been able to 'pigeon hole' my boy and wouldn't want to however as Caz suggests, some people didn't appreciate this and at least the Parelli's are trying to make people aware if perhaps a little clumsily.
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I like the idea of accepting that horses are all different and that therefor what works for one does not necessarily work for another but I have not been able to 'pigeon hole' my boy and wouldn't want to however as Caz suggests, some people didn't appreciate this and at least the Parelli's are trying to make people aware if perhaps a little clumsily.
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sqippa
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couldn't agree more Tiny..except for the 'brave amazons' bit...I'm a firm believer that they are simply mad especially the hedge jumping bloodhounds ones!
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Tinypony
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Fancy giving me the instructions Tiny?
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It's a bit of a pain, because you can only see the most recent post when you're replying... so you end up going Back and Forward loads of times...
Just drag over the bit of text you want to quote in someone's post, then Cut it, go into Reply, click on Quote down below, and then Paste your text in between the two bracketed "quotes" (if I try to show what's on the screen it thinks I'm quoting and all goes wierd!
Fancy giving me the instructions Tiny?
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It's a bit of a pain, because you can only see the most recent post when you're replying... so you end up going Back and Forward loads of times...
Just drag over the bit of text you want to quote in someone's post, then Cut it, go into Reply, click on Quote down below, and then Paste your text in between the two bracketed "quotes" (if I try to show what's on the screen it thinks I'm quoting and all goes wierd!
sqippa
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You know I never thought of cutting and pasting!
"Just drag over the bit of text you want to quote in someone's post, then Cut it, go into Reply,"
I thought it was some magic thingy...sh*t how stupid do I feel??
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"Just drag over the bit of text you want to quote in someone's post, then Cut it, go into Reply,"
I thought it was some magic thingy...sh*t how stupid do I feel??
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Tinypony
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You be careful, they will say it's because you are an Evangelical Parelli Person.
Just to go back to topic...
I am an ex Parelli student (sounds like AA doesn't it?), I really have been there and done all of what Parelli students do. After a while I started to feel uncomfortable about some aspects, I think I had been too trusting of the "expertise" of my trainers. But, I had been guilty of that with other non-Parelli trainers in the past as well. So, I looked around to see what else there was out there and found that I could do just as good stuff with my horse (better!), but be less confrontational, more flexible in my approach and actually have my horses working softly and more correctly right from the word go. That is why I am not a Parelli student any more.
However, Parelli is an easy to access package, studying with some of the other trainers is not so easy, there isn't a huge range of materials to refer to, there are less clinics to attend - so it means putting yourself out a bit. Quite a bit.
Just to go back to topic...
I am an ex Parelli student (sounds like AA doesn't it?), I really have been there and done all of what Parelli students do. After a while I started to feel uncomfortable about some aspects, I think I had been too trusting of the "expertise" of my trainers. But, I had been guilty of that with other non-Parelli trainers in the past as well. So, I looked around to see what else there was out there and found that I could do just as good stuff with my horse (better!), but be less confrontational, more flexible in my approach and actually have my horses working softly and more correctly right from the word go. That is why I am not a Parelli student any more.
However, Parelli is an easy to access package, studying with some of the other trainers is not so easy, there isn't a huge range of materials to refer to, there are less clinics to attend - so it means putting yourself out a bit. Quite a bit.
PapaFrita
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I don't consider myself evangelical about Parelli at all. I'm open minded to anything that helps me work better and enjoy my horse. Sadly you have had some negative experiences but that doesn't justify slagging off everyone who has had a dabble and assuming that we are all ignorant, useless horse owners.
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Excuse ME, but WHERE in my post did I slag anyone off OR say that you are ignorant or useless horse owners???
I am perfectly capable of conducting a conversation without name calling.
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It's a shame that you feel so unable or willing to enlighten others as to your resentment. I am happy to explain why I enjoy it, I am also happy to listen to others opinions and allow others to have different opinions however there is nothing less effective as an arguement than to refuse to explain yourself.
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Right, I'll tell you again as you clearly weren't paying attention. It's the attitude of those devotees who insist that theirs is the ONLY way, the only KIND way to train a horse when IMO (and this is in another post) there is significant overlap in the different methods (for want of another word)
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By the way I fully agree that you do not need to justify your opinion but a little explanation my help and preventy others from seing you as narrow minded...perhaps even as narrow minded as you consider Parelli people to be. Worth thinking about?
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Thank you for proving my point. You look down on me and call me narrow-minded because I not subscribe to your particular choice of training method.
Monty Roberts, Kelly Marks, Richard Maxwell even *shudder* Pat Parelli and others ALL apply methods that I know and agree with and use myself.
Once again; it's the "This is the only way and if you don't use it you're cruel" Attitude that p:sses me off.
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Never mind...each to there own.
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Except if they don't agree with you or explain fully, eh?
I don't consider myself evangelical about Parelli at all. I'm open minded to anything that helps me work better and enjoy my horse. Sadly you have had some negative experiences but that doesn't justify slagging off everyone who has had a dabble and assuming that we are all ignorant, useless horse owners.
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Excuse ME, but WHERE in my post did I slag anyone off OR say that you are ignorant or useless horse owners???
I am perfectly capable of conducting a conversation without name calling.
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It's a shame that you feel so unable or willing to enlighten others as to your resentment. I am happy to explain why I enjoy it, I am also happy to listen to others opinions and allow others to have different opinions however there is nothing less effective as an arguement than to refuse to explain yourself.
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Right, I'll tell you again as you clearly weren't paying attention. It's the attitude of those devotees who insist that theirs is the ONLY way, the only KIND way to train a horse when IMO (and this is in another post) there is significant overlap in the different methods (for want of another word)
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By the way I fully agree that you do not need to justify your opinion but a little explanation my help and preventy others from seing you as narrow minded...perhaps even as narrow minded as you consider Parelli people to be. Worth thinking about?
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Thank you for proving my point. You look down on me and call me narrow-minded because I not subscribe to your particular choice of training method.
Monty Roberts, Kelly Marks, Richard Maxwell even *shudder* Pat Parelli and others ALL apply methods that I know and agree with and use myself.
Once again; it's the "This is the only way and if you don't use it you're cruel" Attitude that p:sses me off.
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Never mind...each to there own.
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Except if they don't agree with you or explain fully, eh?
toffeesmarty
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I'm don't think I should advise you whether to continue with P or not. That is your choice - consider the facts and decide if it's right for you.
Although I have seen P 'shows ' I also see alot of P in practice as there are two practitioners on my yard who only use P.
My biggest objections still are the time it takes to get a horse to reach the same levels it would take by using traditional (whatever that means) methods alone( Yes it is possible!!!!).
Plus the damage caused by working horses in unnatural not-soft outlines could result in lots of sore and injured horses.
Ask yourself why most NH methods originated in the USA and not Europe?
Although I have seen P 'shows ' I also see alot of P in practice as there are two practitioners on my yard who only use P.
My biggest objections still are the time it takes to get a horse to reach the same levels it would take by using traditional (whatever that means) methods alone( Yes it is possible!!!!).
Plus the damage caused by working horses in unnatural not-soft outlines could result in lots of sore and injured horses.
Ask yourself why most NH methods originated in the USA and not Europe?