natural horsemanship

How wrong you arePapafrita!...read all the other posts and see how we have been having a very fair and interesting and open discussion.

I hate to have to draw your attention to it Papa fritta but I have not anywhere suggested Parelli is the only way, I am not a mad enthusiat, I dabble occasionally as I do with anything which catches my interest and I think I can use, I am also a fully paid up member of the BHS and am able to reflect on its good and bad points so I am merely interested in why some people have such strong negative feeling towards parelli and to some other natural horsemanship ways and am asking for your reasons. Surely the fact that I am involved and asking this would be evidence enough that I am not evangelical or narrow mided but perhaps that I am some significant way in the other direction and simply interested in other peoples views and reasons.

This has been a very eye opening discussion for most of us on here and it seems a shame that despite this you are continuing to label and form predjudiced opinions of people involved in Parelli as you have repeatedly done so in your posts as quoted below:

"Mostly I hate that the people who practise Parelli are so evangelical and smug about theirs being the only proper way to train horses.
I could go on, but I don't feel any need to justify my dislike of Parelli, any more than I give a sh:t why people think it's so bl**dy wonderful."

"They remind me of my ultra-religious relatives who like to sit me down and question me on my 'lack of faith' and how it saddens them that I've strayed from 'the path'.
It really gets on my t:ts"


These 2 quotes are just examples in this thread where perhaps unintentionally you have expressed very prejudiced views and it would be hard for anyone who has had anything to do with parelli at anytime to take these in any way other than quite unkind and unfair. In my post I was simply advising you that comments like that could give 'others' the impression that you were narrow minded and therefore invited you to open up a little more in order to avoid this, which you have done, if a little explosively!! They are also very unhelpful to those of us trying simply to get to the bottom of our differences and to have an open, calm discussion.


However reading and taking what I can from this post it would seem that you are refining your opinion in that it is your experience of a number of devotees rather than all that insist theirs is the only way...boy can I agree with you there, anyone who is unwilling to take ideas from other ways is being extremely closed. It would seem that this is a common theme and something which i have not been aware of, perhaps now I have sky and may watch a little of the live tv shows I may start to see this more and empathise. I am assuming that this is where it comes from but please feel free to put me right if you have made it to the end of this rather long post!!


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Interesting question Toffee. Have to say that I've never really wanted to do the ridden bit, just seemed too 'cowboy' if you get what I mean.

Well I'm happy to continue my ground work and to use what I've picked up but perhaps the new 'Parelli machine' is not what it used to be?

Thanks for your input.

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How wrong you arePapafrita!...read all the other posts and see how we have been having a very fair and interesting and open discussion.

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I don't recall saying it wasn't I DO recall you calling me narrow-minded. AND I recall you saying I'd slagged people off which I hadn't.

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I hate to have to draw your attention to it Papa fritta but I have not anywhere suggested Parelli is the only way, I am not a mad enthusiat,

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Where did I say you were? But there ARE mad enthusiasts are there not?

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I dabble occasionally as I do with anything which catches my interest and I think I can use, I am also a fully paid up member of the BHS and am able to reflect on its good and bad points so I am merely interested in why some people have such strong negative feeling towards parelli and to some other natural horsemanship ways and am asking for your reasons.

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Once again, it's the Parelli-ists who DO have the evangelical attitude that p:ss me off. The ones that insist bits are cruel, shoeing is cruel, RIDING is cruel, etc, etc. If you recall, I ALSO said that there is overlap between the different training methods and Pat Parelli doesn't have the patent. Oh, sorry, yes he does.

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Surely the fact that I am involved and asking this would be evidence enough that I am not evangelical or narrow mided but perhaps that I am some significant way in the other direction and simply interested in other peoples views and reasons.

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Once again, at a loss as to when I said you were. I also gave you my reasons.

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This has been a very eye opening discussion for most of us on here and it seems a shame that despite this you are continuing to label and form predjudiced opinions of people involved in Parelli as you have repeatedly done so in your posts as quoted below:

"Mostly I hate that the people who practise Parelli are so evangelical and smug about theirs being the only proper way to train horses.
I could go on, but I don't feel any need to justify my dislike of Parelli, any more than I give a sh:t why people think it's so bl**dy wonderful."

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I expressed myself slightly inaccurately in that quote (and better in a later post that you didn't feel the need to quote from. I meant "It's the attitude of those devotees who insist that theirs is the ONLY way, the only KIND way to train a horse when IMO (and this is in another post) there is significant overlap in the different methods"

I don't need to know why you think Parelli is so wonderful, I know plenty about Parelli, as, I assume do you. Why do you need to know why I dislike it?

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"They remind me of my ultra-religious relatives who like to sit me down and question me on my 'lack of faith' and how it saddens them that I've strayed from 'the path'.
It really gets on my t:ts"

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Yep, I stand by that.
In a more subtle way, you're doing the same thing; "Tell me why you don't like Parelli, I'm not a nut job therefore Parelli must be fine"
I'm not a Jehova's Witness, I never will be a Jehova's Witness, I've got nothing against JW's but once in a while they'll come ringing my doorbell trying to convert me and I don't like THAT either.

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These 2 quotes are just examples in this thread where perhaps unintentionally you have expressed very prejudiced views and it would be hard for anyone who has had anything to do with parelli at anytime to take these in any way other than quite unkind and unfair. In my post I was simply advising you that comments like that could give 'others' the impression that you were narrow minded and therefore invited you to open up a little more in order to avoid this, which you have done, if a little explosively!! They are also very unhelpful to those of us trying simply to get to the bottom of our differences and to have an open, calm discussion.

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Clearly you are skimming my posts and taking out only the bits that support your opinion of me. Much of what Parelli teaches is common sense. What is NOT common sense is largely b*ll*cks and even dangerous practice. I will never bounce a bl**dy ball off PF's head because I don't need to and I don't need to know her horsenality to know she wouldn't like it. I will never waggle a rope off the end of her headcollar because despite my unenlightened methods, she has perfect manners and it would totally freak her out. I will never prance around her shaking my butt because I'd rather just get on her and ride and I will never EVER jump a tiny foal. EVER. Instant loss of credibility right there.

I don't practise Parelli, I practise common sense.

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However reading and taking what I can from this post it would seem that you are refining your opinion in that it is your experience of a number of devotees rather than all that insist theirs is the only way...boy can I agree with you there, anyone who is unwilling to take ideas from other ways is being extremely closed. It would seem that this is a common theme and something which i have not been aware of, perhaps now I have sky and may watch a little of the live tv shows I may start to see this more and empathise. I am assuming that this is where it comes from but please feel free to put me right if you have made it to the end of this rather long post!![ QUOTE ]

How scary. We might actually agree!
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I recommend YouTube; look up Parelli and get a nice glass of wine. You might need it.
 
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