New horse napping and and reared!!

[SEL]

My Appy used to go bolt upright as a baby. It was her go-to for napping or if something scared her. She was very well balanced and playing in the field could even take a few steps walking on her back legs - but I hated it and the one plus of her damaging that suspensory is it put paid to that.

Didn't help that if she was particularly wound up she'd use that huge butt of hers to propel herself from a rear up and forward. I leave those kind of manoeuvres to Cortez. It was handy for pushing away some aggressive cows once (I hung on white faced) but bull fighting isn't on my to do list

Bunny hops I'll deal with but that was at the limits of my comfort zone and I'd never knowingly take on another that did it

 

[Cortez]

My Appy used to go bolt upright as a baby. It was her go-to for napping or if something scared her. She was very well balanced and playing in the field could even take a few steps walking on her back legs - but I hated it and the one plus of her damaging that suspensory is it put paid to that.

Didn't help that if she was particularly wound up she'd use that huge butt of hers to propel herself from a rear up and forward. I leave those kind of manoeuvres to Cortez. It was handy for pushing away some aggressive cows once (I hung on white faced) but bull fighting isn't on my to do list

Bunny hops I'll deal with but that was at the limits of my comfort zone and I'd never knowingly take on another that did it

Oooh! Send her to me! I love doing lancades, sounds like she's very talented

 

[tristar]

rearing is the sort of thing you try not to teach them when breaking, even if they spent the previous 4 years practicing as one of mine did, yet never ever thought about it under saddle, thank god

 

[Exploding Chestnuts]

Do not waste your money on physio, you could ask the yard manager to check saddle fit, and also pain when running hand down spine, but I bought one like that and it ended badly, dealer not interested.
Use email only to calmly demand your money back and horse picked up, from your premises within seven days.
You will not ride the horse again as he is dangerous, and state dealer wl be charged full livery and other costs.
You want to get this sorted ASAP.
A solicitor is useless in my experience unless you ac tually know the law, and a dictate the letter. DO NOT ALLOW ASOLICITOR TO SEND OUT A LETTER WITHOUT HAVING SEEN IT. damhik.

 

[Melody Grey]

Poor horse - back in the circus again and no-one addressing the issues. I know we can't take them all on but your heart breaks for them.

It does, but with the greatest of respect to the OP, from the information given it doesn’t sound like they’re the ones to be fixing it. Taking on a project is fair enough if that’s what you signed up for, but not if you think you’ve bought and paid for a made, safe all rounder from a pro.

 

[Exploding Chestnuts]

I've ridden maybe a thousand horses, one in particular was very careful to carry me like a basket of precious eggs, yes said trainer (racehorse), I rode him all thru my pregnancy, that is one in a thousand!
Confidence givers are often happy ponies quiet and kind.. They do not rear.
I once bought a rearer, he was not suitable for the average rider, he had a lot of good points, like fast, naturally fit, jump anything you put him at, unfortunately he had been messed up at a crucial stage in his life and I did not have the experience to sort it, he terrified me!
He died of grass sickness, which no animal should suffer, but it ended that chapter.

 

[Annagain]

I've owned one, he was born that way. Even as a 4yr old people just felt safe with him. I've got another one semi retired now, but referred to as the "hangover horse" as he is comfortable, safe and will bring you back in one piece no matter what happens. I dont think anyone has ever fallen off him. Ironically in his younger days he was sharp and could be diffcult, but he mellowed in his teens and is a bit of a super star now.

I rode one too. Monty my old share horse. We always said he was born 20. In the 20 years we rode him nobody ever fell off him (just fell over with him a few times). He was ridden by total novices and looked after them and would then go out doing BS with his owner (up to newcomers) or BE (up to 90) with me the next day. He'd do a good elementary test too. If he felt you wobble on landing after a fence he'd go dead straight, slow down gently and put his head up to push you back into the saddle. He wasn't totally perfect and didn't like big lorries but he'd just freeze and shake rather than doing anything, bless him. Part of the reason I've struggled with Charlie is because Monty was so good and even a better than average horse (which Charlie is) isn't Monty.

 

[Archangel]

When a seller says the horse has already been vetted, run. (In the other direction.)

Quite. He was probably vetted by the last person who bought him and found he wasn't the confidence giver they had been led to believe.

 

[Exploding Chestnuts]

Don't think a vet is the person to say anything is a confidence giver, but if he says it's not, walk away.
People have so little experience to buy a horse with no viewing, riding, vetting are mad.
I had someone who turned up to buy my horse who was a challenge, she still kept her hat in its box. The experienced friend could not get him to come on the bit, until I told him to by growling at him, lol. He was not a bad horse, but intelligent, and in spite of appearances was nervous of new situations. He went to a trekking centre, needed a confident rider or a child, he was so safe. . He was the best horse I ever rode bareback, absolutely sensitive, I loved riding him bareback, went swimming in the sea, went hacking in town at night, we had quite a few exciting canters, he was trained to respond to voice commands, andin his first jump competition his jockey had a problem pulling him up, I just called out,whoa ho... o, he pulled up. I came off him a few times when I broke him in as he s he was so sharp, but he got used to that and just took the opportunity to have bite of grass. A character.

 

[[59668]]

Don't think a vet is the person to say anything is a confidence giver, but if he says it's not, walk away.
People have so little experience to buy a horse with no viewing, riding, vetting are mad.
I had someone who turned up to buy my horse who was a challenge, she still kept her hat in its box. The experienced friend could not get him to come on the bit, until I told him to by growling at him, lol. He was not a bad horse, but intelligent, and in spite of appearances was nervous of new situations. He went to a trekking centre, needed a confident rider or a child, he was so safe. . He was the best horse I ever rode bareback, absolutely sensitive, I loved riding him bareback, went swimming in the sea, went hacking in town at night, we had quite a few exciting canters, he was trained to respond to voice commands, andin his first jump competition his jockey had a problem pulling him up, I just called out,whoa ho... o, he pulled up. I came off him a few times when I broke him in as he s he was so sharp, but he got used to that and just took the opportunity to have bite of grass. A character.

This is one of the oddest posts I've ever seen.
Not sure what someone keeping a hat in a box/bag had to do with it. Maybe it was a nice hat?
And judging someone cos they couldn't get a strange horse they've never sat on "on the bit" but you could by "growling at him"?! That's a dressage technique I've never heard of!
And he needed a confident rider or a child?
So weird.

 

[AmyMay]

This is one of the oddest posts I've ever seen.
Not sure what someone keeping a hat in a box/bag had to do with it. Maybe it was a nice hat?
And judging someone cos they couldn't get a strange horse they've never sat on "on the bit" but you could by "growling at him"?! That's a dressage technique I've never heard of!
And he needed a confident rider or a child?
So weird.

My hat was expensive. It comes out of its bag and then its box when I want to put it on. It then goes straight back in them when I take it off.

 

[[59668]]

My hat was expensive. It comes out of its bag and then its box when I want to put it on. It then goes straight back in them when I take it off.

Yeah I know right?! Mine is also expensive and goes literally right back in the bag after I've ridden. I think the poster also mentioned this "hat in bag" scenario winding her up on another post. What a strange thing to judge someone on!!

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

My Appy used to go bolt upright as a baby. It was her go-to for napping or if something scared her. She was very well balanced and playing in the field could even take a few steps walking on her back legs - but I hated it and the one plus of her damaging that suspensory is it put paid to that.

Didn't help that if she was particularly wound up she'd use that huge butt of hers to propel herself from a rear up and forward. I leave those kind of manoeuvres to Cortez. It was handy for pushing away some aggressive cows once (I hung on white faced) but bull fighting isn't on my to do list

Bunny hops I'll deal with but that was at the limits of my comfort zone and I'd never knowingly take on another that did it

One of my Arab's reared for fun as a stallion he could stay up for ages and used to clap his front feet together while he was up, he would always rear at least once going to the field once gelded he never did it again.

 

[Annagain]

My old boy reared but it was always so controlled, it never felt dangerous. With him it was never nappy or malicious, he'd just have so much energy and fizz that, if he couldn't go forwards, he'd have to go somewhere and up it was. I had to go into show jumping rings backwards, get to the rough area of the first jump, wait for the bell (usually with a few rears as we waited) spin him round and let him go. As soon as he'd jumped every jump he'd come back to walk without me asking and saunter out without a care in the world!

The only time I didn't like it was when I took him drag hunting and he totally boiled over. He'd leap off his back legs in the rear plunge back down to pull the reins out of my hands and then leg it while I was off balance. We went four times and he gradually got worse and worse each time. After he did that on the fourth time, we retired from hunting.

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

Some of these rearing posts are putting the fear of God in me. I thought training my pony to rear on command was, in adult hindsight, a pretty damn stupid thing to do as a kid on a kids pony. But the difference is he would absolutely only do so on command, never randomly or out of frustration or other reason as some of you describe.

Nothing on this earth would then or now get me regularly riding something that throws in random rears out of pain, fear, frustration, badness or sheer over eagerness to steam on. Until abut 15 years ago I was a pretty confident rider, but even then I would not have risked my neck and got on horses some of you have proudly ridden or owned.

Hats off to you all...or perhaps not, hats on might be more appropriate....and back protector! ?

 

[Xmas lucky]

It funny how times have changed my first horse would rear when spooked . She would spook at her own shadow it was actually very funny looking at her. Op it depends on your riding abilities I would talk to a riding instructor and get opinion on what you should do. it very difficult to tell is the horse behavior is linked to your riding abilities or does it have a behaviour problem because none of us have seen you ride this horse. I wouldn’t just assume that the horse behavior problem some horses don’t suit novice riders .

 

[Exploding Chestnuts]

It even had a wrapper, and was pretty much brand new, most folks would take it out in the car and stick it on, anyway, it was soon confirmed she was barely past posting and nowhere ready to buy a youngster. I would normally ask a bit more about a potential buyer, but she caught me unawares and sort of decided to come and see him. He was quite well behaved, but non plussed. I just sort of apologised and explained he was not suitable as a first pony.

 

[Lois Lame]

The experienced friend could not get him to come on the bit, until I told him to by growling at him, lol.

I don't think he was on the bit even after you growled.

 

[Lois Lame]

... it very difficult to tell is the horse behavior is linked to your riding abilities or does it have a behaviour problem because none of us have seen you ride this horse. I wouldn’t just assume that the horse behavior problem some horses don’t suit novice riders .

But we know about dealers and the sorts of things they say which are red flags (more like skull and cross bone flags really). These dealers are best kept away from. They are good at pulling the wool over peoples' eyes but even more effective is the way they can make you feel if you don't want to do what they want you to do.

 

[Peglo]

My hat was expensive. It comes out of its bag and then its box when I want to put it on. It then goes straight back in them when I take it off.

my hats ancient and not expensive and it lives in the bag with my gloves. It’s just a good place to store it ??‍

my cousins pony (my girls field mate) was a rear and spinner when she napped. Usually just leaving home and then she was ok. She could be a bit of a horror at times but previous rider was VERY strong with her and probably much too heavy. It didn’t take long for her to stop napping altogether and loved hacking, especially solo.

best of luck OP on the horse search.

 

[Goldenstar]

She’s got back to me and they are happy to have horse back it’s so disheartening thou

Good , get him straight back .
I understand it’s disheartening bit better disheartened that hospitalised .
Be careful learn from this .

 

[MuffettMischief]

When a seller says the horse has already been vetted, run. (In the other direction.)

there are a fair few dealers who vet horses before they buy them in now. Maybe best to check why horses have been vetted first as could be just that

 

[BSL2]

Poor horse - back in the circus again and no-one addressing the issues. I know we can't take them all on but your heart breaks for them.

Agree.

 

[Marigold4]

It funny how times have changed my first horse would rear when spooked . She would spook at her own shadow it was actually very funny looking at her. Op it depends on your riding abilities I would talk to a riding instructor and get opinion on what you should do. it very difficult to tell is the horse behavior is linked to your riding abilities or does it have a behaviour problem because none of us have seen you ride this horse. I wouldn’t just assume that the horse behavior problem some horses don’t suit novice riders .

I'm interested by your horse who reared when spooked. Years ago I took on a problem horse who I think was a little mentally unhinged. She would do this. We were schooling on a field once and she saw two people coming along the footpath in the next field, seemed very surprised and reared twice vertically - then we carried on schooling. It was very strange as this was her own field and she had seen people on the footpath daily. So not all horses rear through pain etc. I once traced her breeder who told me that all the horses from that particular mare were "quirky" and a couple had been put down because of it. Made we wonder why she kept breeding them!

Anyone else had horses rear through spooking?

 

[Mustard]

We have one that rears and will go over if she feels under any stress at all. One of our vets thinks it's possibly something that presses on her brain when her blood pressure goes up. In between episodes, she is happy and healthy, to all appearances enjoying her life in the field with her mates. It first manifested itself under saddle, then when asked to load, so heaven help us if we lose the field she's in!

 

[lme]

Hi OP - the rearing bothers you, you wanted a confidence giver, and the dealer is happy to take this horse back. It seems a no brainer to me. At best it sounds as if you and the horse are not a good match. At worst, the poor horse has an injury or a behavioral issue. My children's pony club horse started rearing spectacularly. It was pain related. We fixed the cause of the pain and the rearing stopped. It took months of rehab though before she was properly back in work. She is a home bred and we are invested in her. If she had been a new horse, within the return period, she might well have gone back.

 

[AmyMay]

Has the horse now gone back OP?