Newton Stud slurry death

[INDIA1999]

Why? (Genuinely) Animals will always be slaughtered or need to be processed after death in some way. Surely using a by product of the meat industry is a good way to ensure every part of the animal that died for us is used.

Isn't it the fact that it is being used on land for herbivores... using every last scrap of the slaughtered animal created a national disaster 20 years ago.

 

[moosea]

I would suggest that this was a tragic accident to a horse that had an amazing career. The emergency evacuation of the horses from the stables would have been the priority and it would appear that they were all safely taken away from the fire. What this sad incident highlights is that we must all be aware of the dangers on our and adjoining properties and to ensure that we take precautions that in the event of an emergency evacuation there is no chance of animals coming in contact with them. I feel very sorry for the horse, the owner of this wonderful horse and anyone that cared for this horse. Hopefully we will all learn a lesson from this incident.

I have no understanding how anyone could call this an accident.
What is the point of evacuating horses if not to keep them safe???
The horses were not all 'safely taken away from the fire'. One horse was taken from the fire and left to drown overnight.
Outrageous that you think this was an accident. It was at best negligence.
The stud should have been investigated by HSE. God forbid a person had gone into this nightmare pit.
To then send baliffs to the owner over fees due for "caring" for her animal leaves me speechless. Almost as speechless as when I read someone saying it was an accident.

 

[Chinchilla]

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Why? (Genuinely) Animals will always be slaughtered or need to be processed after death in some way. Surely using a by product of the meat industry is a good way to ensure every part of the animal that died for us is used.

Sorry I don't really want to have to justify my choices on here publicly I'm afraid i'll be torn to pieces ?

 

[Gingerwitch]

Why? (Genuinely) Animals will always be slaughtered or need to be processed after death in some way. Surely using a by product of the meat industry is a good way to ensure every part of the animal that died for us is used.

Because its offensive to vegetarians who dont want to be part of the animal's slaughter..... do you really think a vegetarian wants to eat vegetables raised in the dregs of slaughtered animals ?

 

[ycbm]

Sorry I don't really want to have to justify my choices on here publicly I'm afraid i'll be torn to pieces ?

I'm a meat eater C and I get it.

 

[JaneSewell]

I saw this on Facebook, bit disappointed that the BD page took it down and implied she was mud slinging and unjustified.
I felt she was quite reasonable in what she said. It's a terrible tragedy for her - slurry disposal is a huge danger; I remember when I first loaned a horse we rented stables on a dairy farm and the muck heap was a case of tipping your barrow off the top in to the slurry below, I was often up there alone and the thought of falling genuinely terrified me

Thank you. The controller of Unofficial DB where it was taken down is Kelly Jewell ... as part of Equidance they have worked closely with Newton Stud and Elite Dressage and are clearly financially involved with them... not surprising that it was taken down several times!!

It was also mentioned on the BD (unofficial) group that the editor at H&H had close ties to the stud and that is why it has never been mentioned.

 

[JaneSewell]

I saw this on Facebook, bit disappointed that the BD page took it down and implied she was mud slinging and unjustified.
I felt she was quite reasonable in what she said. It's a terrible tragedy for her - slurry disposal is a huge danger; I remember when I first loaned a horse we rented stables on a dairy farm and the muck heap was a case of tipping your barrow off the top in to the slurry below, I was often up there alone and the thought of falling genuinely terrified me

Thank you. The controller of Unofficial DB where it was taken down is Kelly Jewell ... as part of Equidance they have worked closely with Newton Stud and Elite Dressage and are clearly financially involved with them... not surprising that it was taken down several times!!

Poor mare, it must have been terrifying. First the fire, then falling into a slurry pit.

It is unimaginable!??

 

[Arzada]

Because its offensive to vegetarians who dont want to be part of the animal's slaughter..... do you really think a vegetarian wants to eat vegetables raised in the dregs of slaughtered animals ?

Thank you

 

[JaneSewell]

Ah yes now you mention it I did know re. the meat products.
It seems no one has gone fully to court with them but taken settlements and signed NDAs

The difficulty is that it is SO expensive to to get to Court ... they were insured - I was not... my costs before even getting to Court were £90,000 and would have been £350,000 if I had gone to court and lost! ... which I would have to pay personally. All my lawyer friends said that it totally depends on which judge you are allocated ... if they are anti horsey people... It is genuinely so unfair!

 

[Flyermc]

The difficulty is that it is SO expensive to to get to Court ... they were insured - I was not... my costs before even getting to Court were £90,000 and would have been £350,000 if I had gone to court and lost! ... which I would have to pay personally. All my lawyer friends said that it totally depends on which judge you are allocated ... if they are anti horsey people... It is genuinely so unfair!

its so sad when money 'talks'

 

[Fandabbydozy]

I think suggesting that there's some sort of conspiracy theory may be taking it a bit far. Their reputation is important to them, and having a valuable horse drown in an insufficiently secured slurry pit on their land, whilst under their care is indefensible. You'd think they'd be desperately trying to cover up the cause of death, rather than admitting that it happened.

Thank you. The controller of Unofficial DB where it was taken down is Kelly Jewell ... as part of Equidance they have worked closely with Newton Stud and Elite Dressage and are clearly financially involved with them... not surprising that it was taken down several times!!


It is unimaginable!??

if I had known about the abattoir waste and the pit I wouldn’t have sent the two youngsters that I lost there, but unfortunately I didn’t and the stud didn’t tell me.

I don’t think the stud told any clients about the abattoir meat sludge pit nor the fact they spread it on the land. I was never told & would never have put my mares & foals at risk had I known.

 

[Arzada]

Isn't it the fact that it is being used on land for herbivores... using every last scrap of the slaughtered animal created a national disaster 20 years ago.

It is still a disaster for those people with vCJD (and their families). Apparently it can remain dormant for decades and is untreatable and incurable.

 

[ycbm]

The difficulty is that it is SO expensive to to get to Court ... they were insured - I was not... my costs before even getting to Court were £90,000 and would have been £350,000 if I had gone to court and lost! ... which I would have to pay personally. All my lawyer friends said that it totally depends on which judge you are allocated ... if they are anti horsey people... It is genuinely so unfair!

And you can win and they bankrupt themselves so they don't have to pay you, as happened to fiends of mine.

 

[JaneSewell]

So did horse get away from a handler? Or did it escape from a field? Ie HOW did it land up in the pit. And why on earth was the pit not secured so a horse couldn’t get to it? We all
Know the scrapes horses can get in to but what happened?

I don't believe she got away from her handler ....The stud’s defence says “By a most unfortunate and regrettable oversight, the Claimant’s employee who evacuated Cassie into the said field failed to check that the gate to the slurry lagoon was closed and secured”. The lagoon measures approx 40m x 100m and she was apparently not discovered until the next day...

 

[palo1]

It is still a disaster for those people with vCJD (and their families). Apparently it can remain dormant for decades and is untreatable and incurable.

Yes, it is dire. Mark Douglas of Chamfron stud who bred fabulous performance criollo horses died of VCJD at a young age. His illness came virtually without warning and scientists understand that it may lay dormant for decades in the human body. You would never want to recreate a situation where this could happen again.

 

[ycbm]

failed to check that the gate to the slurry lagoon was closed and secured”. ...

How could it EVER not have been unless a vehicle was accessing it at the time?!

 

[Gingerwitch]

Now could it EVER not have been unless a vehicle was accessing it at the time?!

But how does anyone know if no body was found ?

 

[JaneSewell]

So basically the 2 yo filly was seen once by a vet in the four months of lameness and pain and twice in the filly's final 10 days of agony even though there is a resident vet based at the stud who does not charge call out fees to resident horses:

'Newton Stud is partnered with a local equine-specialist practice, Equus Vets, to provide top quality care for the horses at the stud. Treatment is provided with no call-out fees for horses resident at the stud, offering our clients the best possible value. Our stud vet is based on-site ...' http://www.newtonstud.co.uk/breeding.html

Arzada That is absolutely correct ... she died in agony apparently despite there being a resident vet based at the stud!

 

[doodle]

I don't believe she got away from her handler ....The stud’s defence says “By a most unfortunate and regrettable oversight, the Claimant’s employee who evacuated Cassie into the said field failed to check that the gate to the slurry lagoon was closed and secured”. The lagoon measures approx 40m x 100m and she was apparently not discovered until the next day...

I have been following this thread and couldn’t quite get my head around what has come out since my reply. I am so sorry this happened to you. I don’t have the words to even start comprehending what the stud did.

 

[INDIA1999]

But how does anyone know if no body was found ?

I thought a body was found but not recovered or am I getting confused?

 

[JaneSewell]

How could it EVER not have been unless a vehicle was accessing it at the time?!

PRECISELY!!

 

[JaneSewell]

I have been following this thread and couldn’t quite get my head around what has come out since my reply. I am so sorry this happened to you. I don’t have the words to even start comprehending what the stud did.

Thank you ... it is incomprehensible!

 

[SOS]

Probably asking such a question on a thread that has got people very emotive was a bad idea. I promise I asked the question as a genuine one, like I said in my post. I was intrigued to see the posters response, not to jump down their throat but just to find out. Im not interested in others responses, I asked it to see why it made them personally so angry. Take that how you like, it really was not meant to cause offensive.

 

[Chinchilla]

Probably asking such a question on a thread that has got people very emotive was a bad idea. I promise I asked the question as a genuine one, like I said in my post. I was intrigued to see the posters response, not to jump down their throat but just to find out. Im not interested in others responses, I asked it to see why it made them personally so angry. Take that how you like, it really was not meant to cause offensive.

I didn't take offense, I just didn't want to be attacked for my views by others - even if you wouldn't have a go, there's no guarantee others would do the same.

 

[Flyermc]

I don't believe she got away from her handler ....The stud’s defence says “By a most unfortunate and regrettable oversight, the Claimant’s employee who evacuated Cassie into the said field failed to check that the gate to the slurry lagoon was closed and secured”. The lagoon measures approx 40m x 100m and she was apparently not discovered until the next day...

did they mention how deep it was? the surface area wouldnt make much difference, its more the depth and if its liquid waste or just 'deep ground' im just thinking with it being open, moisture will evaporate if there was afew sunny days before hand.

Horses can get out of fairly deep water (i know it wasnt completely liquid based) but surely she could have only slipped in?

 

[Gingerwitch]

Arzada That is absolutely correct ... she died in agony apparently despite there being a resident vet based at the stud!

Struck off or covered up ?

 

[INDIA1999]

did they mention how deep it was? the surface area wouldnt make much difference, its more the depth and if its liquid waste or just 'deep ground' im just thinking with it being open, moisture will evaporate if there was afew sunny days before hand.

Horses can get out of fairly deep water (i know it wasnt completely liquid based) but surely she could have only slipped in?

Did you see the photographs someone posted earlier in the forum?

 

[Gingerwitch]

Probably asking such a question on a thread that has got people very emotive was a bad idea. I promise I asked the question as a genuine one, like I said in my post. I was intrigued to see the posters response, not to jump down their throat but just to find out. Im not interested in others responses, I asked it to see why it made them personally so angry. Take that how you like, it really was not meant to cause offensive.

Sorry but when someone mentions they are a vegetarian does it really need spelling out why animal matter being used in the production of their food upsets them.

 

[SOS]

Sorry but when someone mentions they are a vegetarian does it really need spelling out why animal matter being used in the production of their food upsets them.

I’m not going to bite as I don’t like making enemies on this forum and avoid confrontational posters. It’s all in my original post.

 

[Gingerwitch]

Jane I am sorry to ask you this question but how do they know this is what happens if
A. She was not seen struggling and as such no rescue attempt was made because it was not seen. Or if it she was seen struggling surely a rescue attempt was made and actions recorded
B. If it is assumed she was lost in this god awful manner but not seen during the issue, how could they prove this was the poor mares fate if her body was not recovered.
I am do sorry for your loss and I know how painful this thread and my questions are. So may i apologise for any upset I may cause.