Our Opening meet cut short by Sabs

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As I said before JM And DS, a lot of what you are posting is in extremely bad taste. As another from a military family, I feel that especially. Furthermore DS as AN historian ('an' not 'a', as Rosie so rightly points out) you should know that fighting the second world war was not a question of 'choice' as you keep referring to it.

Finally, please stop making these abhorrent comments to and about other posters otherwise I shall report you.
 
I am a historian
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I doubt it. People who work with words day in, day out in a professional context rarely make basic 3rd grade grammatical errors, since correct English becomes second nature !

It's just nice to find another intelligent person here, oh, wait for it, your going to accuse me of something in a minute, aren't you?
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I think anybody can hide behind an internet persona and make grand claims for themselves, but your (note the correct usage here) bad taste and poor judgement shines through in your diatribes here.

(and yes, I know, I lose the argument .... first to invoke grammar loses, right ? ....but..... to be fair, didn't you and Judge Mental fail at the first, according to Godwin's Law ?

p.s. here's your hero in a similarly unfortunate predicament : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKlTAxTvKkY

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Oh - Darn it, that'll teach me, I missed one !!

DragonSlayer, did you just flounce ? :o

And with this, I bug out of this argument.
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Excellent ! A full-on, panties-in-a-wad flounce :D

Just about as mature as leaving on a 'ner ner nah ner ner' or perhaps a "your all rong im rite", or, my personal internet tantrummy-kiddy-stomping-foot favourite ...

"<<my parting opinion>>. End Of. Simplez"
 
DragonSlayer said:
Oh, for goodness sake, THIS is getting ridiculous.

If you are NOT mature enough to understand why such a statement was made, then THAT is not anyone elses fault.

Seeing what was said, and understanding it, does NOT make me agree with what the Nazis did. Did you READ that link? Did you not see a member of the CA actually made a statement about Hitler and Blair in it?

I am not sad, I have a balanced view on the world. Can you not think of anything better to call me, seeing as we are about to go down the road of slinging insults?

'We don't want this stuff rammed down our throats'....I feel sorry for you because you seem to be incapable of accepting that maybe somewhere, someone can link things together to see simliarities. It does not make them bad, evil people, it shows their ability to THINK.

And with this, I bug out of this argument.
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oh, please do bug out, whatever that means- thislast thread has proved one thing to me though about you- haha! Anyhow, i must now make sure hubby says a prayer for all the atrocities AH caused before he hunts tomorrow, and i trust all the thousands out there do the same! Now i am going to buzz off out of this arguement as its getting boring.
 
Don't forget the above and don't forget, that many men and women went to war in WWII because of Hitler's actions concerning hunting, not because he invaded Poland.
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God, I've read it all now.......................
 
DragonSlayer said:
If you are NOT mature enough to understand why such a statement was made, then THAT is not anyone elses fault.
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I think I'm mature enough to see it for what it was; second rate rhetoric from a third rate pretentious, self-appointed Master of the Hunt(ing) board cum orator (but I shall refrain from any Hitlarian comparison there).

Been here two minutes and deigns to chastise members who choose to join the fray, purely because they haven't posted here previously! Pomposity in extremis.

Clearly, reasoning's not a strong point (nor understanding the art of debate), but evidence would suggest that filibuster and flannel are in no short supply. ;)
 
Gosh! Knickers in a twist now, eh?

Bug-out - leave an argument when I am perfectly happy in what I say, I'm leaving because I can see this moving into the first stages of insults. Take what you will from that, and let the insults fly! :D
 
WonderPone said:
I doubt it. People who work with words day in, day out in a professional context rarely make basic 3rd grade grammatical errors, since correct English becomes second nature !



I think anybody can hide behind an internet persona and make grand claims for themselves, but your (note the correct usage here) bad taste and poor judgement shines through in your diatribes here.

(and yes, I know, I lose the argument .... first to invoke grammar loses, right ? ....but..... to be fair, didn't you and Judge Mental fail at the first, according to Godwin's Law ?

p.s. here's your hero in a similarly unfortunate predicament : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKlTAxTvKkY

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Spotted 2 mistakes in your post dear, so don't waste your breath on mine. :D

....and whose hero? I guess you didn't read the part of my post where it said that when people can think about something that is said, then it does not mean they agree? Please do take the time to read correctly, saves alot of time later....
 
rosiefronfelen said:
SF- i am of the old school,unfortunately alot of "modern usage" is down to bad education and second rate teaching.
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I gave this some thought and consulted a couple of style manuals before posting (I'm an editor for a living) and there are arguments for and against, but my Penguin bible says:

'Most modern authorities recommend that words beginning with h should be preceded by a [where the h is hard]'.

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DragonSlayer said:
Gosh! Knickers in a twist now, eh?

Bug-out - leave an argument when I am perfectly happy in what I say, I'm leaving because I can see this moving into the first stages of insults. Take what you will from that, and let the insults fly! :D
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you said you were going before my dear-i am not going to insult anybody, why should i?Isaid i was going before and that is what i am doing, and let the insults fly, by the way, why did you not answer any of my questions?
 
To be honest judgmental, its people like you that do your sport the worst harm, if i wasnt anti already i would be from reading your posts.
You come across as so up yourself
 
Seafarer said:
I gave this some thought and consulted a couple of style manuals before posting (I'm an editor for a living) and there are arguments for and against, but my Penguin bible says:

'Most modern authorities recommend that words beginning with h should be preceded by a [where the h is hard]'.

:)
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i stick by what i say, and also this has gone miles away from the OP, so can we possibly return as all this is irrelevent to her post?
 
On the topic of hunt Sabs, I was one for a day. I expected to be holding placards not be given a can of pepper spray (God only knows where that came from) to spray at the dogs and horses. Needless to say I figured that such attempts would not be good for animal welfare and decided to sit that one out and take a closer look at hunting. I went with a very good friend of mine. She is still anti (she has the right to that decision) whereas I turned pro. Neither of us wanted to harm anyone or thing that day and we were both disgusted by what we saw.

JM I have not met ANY ex servicemen who went to fight in either of the world wars because of a ban on hunting. A ban on liberty yes but not hunting. To equate the vast majority of people who disagree with your opinion with Hitler is crass and a rather pathetic argument on your behalf. I had expected better from you but then I am still deluded about some things. There are so many ways in which you could educate and help to make Hunting a less antagonisic subject to discuss but you are deluded. There is more to life than hunting, that is just part of the rich tapestry we all weave. Now stop making all pro hunting folk look like pompus prats and let the new commers relax and enjoy.

East Kent and Rosie have made far too many points that I agree with for me to quote as have Simsar and Jim. But as is customary - "Wot they said".

Back to the OP. Which hunt was it? Better luck next time and thank goodness no one was hurt!
 
Well then,if I am "not one of us" (thank God if you are typical) JM..lets ask a few questions as to what ,exactly,contribution to your hunt/hunting in general have you done. Anything??? Nothing??? Apart from attend on a horse,and actually I doubt you do that in truth.

Me??? Well I have walked eleven couple of hounds,reared one little hound on one of my bull terriers..as her dam had fourteen whelps and she was precious being by a Peterborough Champion. So,What truthfully have YOU done ,Eh??

And of course ,if it takes vile bigoted comments like yours of late to be "one of us" then count me,for one, out.You are exactly why hunting has this appalling image ..and one of the main reasons a ban was fuelled so well.

You ask "compassion for who"..incredibly..for all those wasted lives in WW11 of course,the innocents who were annihilated...actually amazed you even ask.
 
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EAST KENT said:
Well then,if I am "not one of us" (thank God if you are typical) JM..lets ask a few questions as to what ,exactly,contribution to your hunt/hunting in general have you done. Anything??? Nothing??? Apart from attend on a horse,and actually I doubt you do that in truth.

Me??? Well I have walked eleven couple of hounds,reared one little hound on one of my bull terriers..as her dam had fourteen whelps and she was precious being by a Peterborough Champion. So,What truthfully have YOU done ,Eh??

And of course ,if it takes vile bigoted comments like yours of late to be "one of us" then count me,for one, out.You are exactly why hunting has this appalling image ..and one of the main reasons a ban was fuelled so well.

You ask "compassion for who"..incredibly..for all those wasted lives in WW11 of course,the innocents who were annihilated...actually amazed you even ask.
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you do realise EK, that you wont get answers to your questions-well, you'll be lucky if you do- bothhe and Dragon slayer need putting in room 101.
 
rosiefronfelen said:
i stick by what i say, and also this has gone miles away from the OP, so can we possibly return as all this is irrelevent to her post?
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On the first point Rosie I also stick by what I said to back up your view. As an historian (albeit this is only part of my job), who works with other historians, I feel perfectly justified in taking that view and my colleagues agree.
On the second I think this thread has gone far too far already to return to what basically seems to be an unsubstantiated report, but there you go, ignition. Let's see whether H&H has anything to report on the matter.

Have a good evening everyone.
 
rosiefronfelen said:
you do realise EK, that you wont get answers to your questions-well, you'll be lucky if you do- both he and Dragon slayer need putting in room 101.
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Oh absolutely Rosie..after all I very much doubt if JM or DS have contributed anything at all to hunting in their lifetime (in the singular) I,however ,am not anonymous at all,and do not need to pathetically hide behind an internet persona.
Room 101..oh you`re too kind!!!!:D:D:D:D
 
:confused:Wow! whats been going on in here!!!

There are quite a few different and diverse ideas popping up!

I am not going to name the hunt, but you may work out from my location which one it was, or the ones cloes by. I am going out again in a week or twos time and I hope to be able to stay out a little longer than 1 a bit hours. I know jaz will too and I would prefer that day not to be interupted by some idiot!


Was the pereson or persons reported to the police - I have no idea.

I'll pop back when I get a chance

Springs
 
This has become a really exciting ride!

Have only just seen all this after a cracking day's hunting.

Simsar and Dragon Slayer thank you for your support.

I am going to contemplate the position/debate and return shortly with some fresh invective.

In the mean time my friends, be mindful of agent provocateurs.

This thread is probably one of the most dangerous for those opposed to hunting, that has ever appeared on this forum.
 
Judgemental said:
This has become a really exciting ride!

Have only just seen all this after a cracking day's hunting.

Simsar and Dragon Slayer thank you for your support.

I am going to contemplate the position/debate and return shortly with some fresh invective.

In the mean time my friends, be mindful of agent provocateurs.

This thread is probably one of the most dangerous for those opposed to hunting, that has ever appeared on this forum.
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Oh , please don`t bother.
 
EAST KENT said:
Oh absolutely Rosie..after all I very much doubt if JM or DS have contributed anything at all to hunting in their lifetime (in the singular) I,however ,am not anonymous at all,and do not need to pathetically hide behind an internet persona.
Room 101..oh you`re too kind!!!!:D:D:D:D
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i dont see the point of remaining anonymous as is obvious with my name-unless there is something to hide or you are part of MI6!!!
 
Haven't read this whole thread, but I am a whole hearted supporter of the Hunt Sabs and hope one day to take part in one, even if it's just holding a placard and shouting a bit. Well done to all those who stopped this hunt!
 
Dobby said:
Haven't read this whole thread, but I am a whole hearted supporter of the Hunt Sabs and hope one day to take part in one, even if it's just holding a placard and shouting a bit. Well done to all those who stopped this hunt!
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dear me, if you think being a hunt sabs involves holding a placard you are sadly mistaken, they are scum of the earth who unfortunately cause more pain to animals on the hunt field than the hounds will to the fox!!!

i am all for people having their own opinion and PEACEFULLY showing their views, but sabs are violent, up for a fight thugs. they say its cruel to hunt a fox, but will catch a couple of hounds and hang them on a gate, disgusting.

the posts on here have intrigued me, but the simple OP shows just how low the sabs are :mad:
 
Judgemental said:
In the mean time my friends, be mindful of agent provocateurs.
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Oh get over yourself JM - it really is dull.

How very sad that you feel the need to intice argument with inflamitory remarks that are contrived to spark anger.

And google "Agent Provocateur" you will find that time has moved on and you have just brought kinky underwear into the equasion!

As for this being "dangerous" I suggest you take up a new sport such as white water rafting, bungee jumping etc if you are not getting enough kicks on the field.

Dobby its not that people are anti hunting that most hunting folk have a problem with - its causing unneccessary harm to an animal. A point which both sides agree on and seem to have totally forgotten about in their arguments with each other! Hold up your placard believe in what you think is right but don't go causing harm to animals that you are claiming to protect!
 
Springs said:
I am not going to name the hunt, but you may work out from my location which one it was, or the ones cloes by. I am going out again in a week or twos time and I hope to be able to stay out a little longer than 1 a bit hours. I know jaz will too and I would prefer that day not to be interupted by some idiot!
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Shropshire is actually not that much help! The fact you posted on October 31st (and probably didn't wait a week to post about Opening Meet) is a clear indication it wasn't the Shropshire hunt that my OH is Jt. Master of - as their Opening Meet was a week earlier.

And strange that news of this hasn't reached him - after all, professional huntsmen gossip more than almost any other professionals I know - and our huntsman hasn't heard a dicky bird about these goings on.

I WISH hunt supporters could stick to the facts. The fact that Hitler banned hunting has NOTHING to do with today's arguments in the UK. The FACT that some hunt sabs are more into class warfare than animal welfare does NOT mean that many people are not opposed to hunting for genuine animal welfare reasons. We may think they're misguided - or not acquainted with all the facts - but they are entitled to hold their views without us insulting them (as long as they don't resort to violence in an attempt to get those views across to us!)

A lot of people BECOME opposed to hunting because SOME hunting supporters present ludicrous arguments in support of hunting - often in an offensive or insulting way. Others become opposed to hunting because they have been victims of thoughtless and arrogant behaviour by hunts and/or hunting people!

This thread has strayed WAY off topic and probably done more harm to hunting than a lot of anti activities could hope to! I - for one - would be very surprised if sabs DID take a live fox to a meet. Sabs are a very mixed group - and such an act could easily alienate their own supporters - as well as proving a very expensive own goal if they were caught!

If I'm wrong, then I hope that the hunt concerned reported the incident to the MFHA Sab hotline - along with the registration numbers of vehicles involved! That information would then be circulated to other hunts who can be on theiur guard if those vehicles appear at their location.

In the meantime, can we STOP scoring own goals by insulting those who disagree with us - and bringing up ancient (and irrelevent) history in support of hunting. The FACT is that the vast majority of hunts ARE hunting within the (ridiculous) law that currently prevails! And MOST hunts are having little or no problems with sabs (only a hardcore remain from the old days!)
 
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