Pammy Hutton vs The Dressage Hub (Facebook)

[Miss_Millie]

A lot of nutters think the Government are behind chem trails

Where's the eyeroll emoji when you need it!

So there are up to 5000 flights leaving the UK daily, but ah no those aren't vapour trails, no no the government are trying to cloud out the sky so we can't grow food and we all die...that would be good for capitalism wouldn't it

 

[equinerebel]

Where's the eyeroll emoji when you need it!

So there are up to 5000 flights leaving the UK daily, but ah no those aren't vapour trails, no no the government are trying to cloud out the sky so we can't grow food and we all die...that would be good for capitalism wouldn't it

My favourite part was the complaint of "how many more there are these days" compared to pre 1950. The logical conclusion must therefore be that each and every subsequent government have conspired to poison us and our children, and not just a lack of colourised photos taken of the sky in a time where most people did not own a handheld, colour camera and certainly weren't uploading them to a social media platform that did not exist yet.

 

[KC31]

I know one of these covid deniers/vaccines full of microchips/chem trails/government are all big brother and since Covid they have got a million times worse, which i wasn't sure was possible! Apparently we should know all about the chem trails and how bad they are as there were none during Covid(!) it was at that point i lost the will to live. Because that wouldn't be anything to do with all the grounded flights would it? Now i am all for each to their own, but honestly its all quite mad!

 

[mini-eventer]

I actually find Heather's enlightened equatation a really useful read.

I do wonder if there are mental health issues at play with the conspiracy stuff

 

[ihatework]

I am ashamed to have been in Heathers close circle for a brief time. She is an author and French Classical training advocate.

Unfortunately she also doesn’t have many nice things to say about pretty much anybody. These days she seemed less of a rider botherer by being a conspiracy theorist but DH seems to of reignited her argumentative equine side.

She is seemingly a very unhappy and rather toxic lady. Best left to herself and not engaged with!

 

[Ceifer]

I actually find Heather's enlightened equatation a really useful read.

I do wonder if there are mental health issues at play with the conspiracy stuff

I agree that her dedication to position, seat and leg aids is great. Not so convinced on whacking everything in Pelhams though which seemed to be her thing for a while.
Probably some mental health issues going on. When EE was in its heyday she had a lot of dedicated disciples which must get to your ego if nothing else. Her interactions with me border on the insane and I regret getting involved.

 

[Equi]

I have actually been worried about HM since covid. Her views have gone wild since then and I just haven’t been able to agree with anything she says. She used to be very helpful and always replied when I asked a simple question but she seems to have gone down a hole she can’t get out of.

 

[equinerebel]

Unfortunately, that also happened to someone else I know during the first lockdown. They became radicalised by conspiracy theorists and now they spread it around themselves. That person is around the same age as HM too.

 

[southerncomfort]

Chem trailers are the best conspiracy theorists, they're proper barmy

They post on every single MET Office weather post! They are hilarious!

 

[southerncomfort]

Oh my word, I've just looked at her FB. Absolutely bonkers! And the reason there were fewer aeroplane trails in the sky in Lovejoy is obviously because 'they' are now manipulating the weather, not because there were fewer planes flying.

Don't forget that if the weather is unusually wet, it's not because of climate change, it's because 'they' have been cloud seeding!

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

Still no Pammy video from DHO as far as I can see, nor anything on AD. A very conspicuous absence for someone 'all about the horses'.

The person who put out the AD video has put out another aimed at DHO. Buckle up for a bit of a story time. Be aware there are some clips of the AD video and another video I hadn't seen of AD's colleague NA being absolutely awful to someone being 'taught' (more like bullied) by her.

 

[eahotson]

Still no Pammy video from DHO as far as I can see, nor anything on AD. A very conspicuous absence for someone 'all about the horses'.

The person who put out the AD video has put out another aimed at DHO. Buckle up for a bit of a story time. Be aware there are some clips of the AD video and another video I hadn't seen of AD's colleague NA being absolutely awful to someone being 'taught' (more like bullied) by her.

Dear Lord

 

[shortstuff99]

Interesting response from DH about why she hasn't posted anything about AD. Bit ironic when she was fishing for videos on PH.....

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

Interesting response from DH about why she hasn't posted anything about AD. Bit ironic when she was fishing for videos on PH.....

I watched it and thought I'd summarise for those who can't stand to watch/don't want to give the traffic to her page (her recent posting of her SM engagement figures suggests this is really all that matters to her).

She's saying that people need to stop sending her allocations because she's 'not the internet police'. As above, pretty rich coming from someone whipping up drama about PH. Also she does this while showing a message sent by someone describing abuse they witnessed. This implies a false equivalence with the person who sent her the AD video, which is clearly stronger evidence than a verbal description.

It's also fairly obvious that people will send her things like this as she has a bigger SM presence than most, as she has recently made a point of showing off.

I had been following her, aware of her controversial reputation, but now I have seen her bs first hand and realised that the only stuff on the page I want to see is shared from other pages anyway, I have swiftly un followed!

 

[Orangehorse]

I agree that her dedication to position, seat and leg aids is great. Not so convinced on whacking everything in Pelhams though which seemed to be her thing for a while.
Probably some mental health issues going on. When EE was in its heyday she had a lot of dedicated disciples which must get to your ego if nothing else. Her interactions with me border on the insane and I regret getting involved.

Yes, I used to see her quite a lot around and about and went to one of her weekend clinics and used the mechanical horse and she was useful and her book was good when my horse was young. But that is 20 odd years ago.

But some of the things on Facebook are weird.

 

[tristars]

I actually find Heather's enlightened equatation a really useful read.

I do wonder if there are mental health issues at play with the conspiracy stuff

At one point she was saying Eric augereau the French ecurie was how dressage should be done

My god I was on his yard for a few months, horrible people, very untrustworthy with animals

Another who builds illusions around himself

 

[ThreeFurs]

"Ruthless Australian" here.

Still no Pammy video from DHO as far as I can see, nor anything on AD. A very conspicuous absence for someone 'all about the horses'.

The person who put out the AD video has put out another aimed at DHO. Buckle up for a bit of a story time. Be aware there are some clips of the AD video and another video I hadn't seen of AD's colleague NA being absolutely awful to someone being 'taught' (more like bullied) by her.

Yes I agree. To all 'intensive purposes' [a Kath n Kim joke] it would appear that the Hubster is protecting AD for some reason. I guess they hunt in the same rich uplands for high net worth individuals to sucker in.

Latest victim in Dressage Hub's sights, who like Pammy should've by now learned not to feed the trolls, is Catherine Haddad Staller of the US. DH, like Trump, really knows how to redirect/control the media flow, well, except when it comes to Australians!

 

[Dave's Mam]

Yeah HM personal FB is full of conspiraciy theories, but I forgive her that. I think her opinion on horses is great.

 

[ThreeFurs]

"Ruthless Australian" here.


Yes I agree. To all 'intensive purposes' [a Kath n Kim joke] it would appear that the Hubster is protecting AD for some reason. I guess they hunt in the same rich uplands for high net worth individuals to sucker in.

Latest victim in Dressage Hub's sights, who like Pammy should've by now learned not to feed the trolls, is Catherine Haddad Staller of the US. DH, like Trump, really knows how to redirect/control the media flow, well, except when it comes to Australians!

https://www.facebook.com/DressageHubOfficial/posts/pfbid02YhL5wLPFsgg99yPXxnPGKzMeSptkWDeQ9SyJ57A1djPC5nytxbAmvJwFxGZ3PsBbl

So, today Hub attacked, Catherine defended. This is relevant, and does follow on the discussion from the first pages. I noted today that Dressage Hub's Susan Wachowich is at it again with Catherine H-S.

Once more, classic Dressage Hub playbook; same as she did with Pammy H.
1. Find an international Grand Prix level rider, with not only a following, but with that little key smidgeon of pride or vanity.
2. Post something awful about them. They reply defensively, but sadly, in this scenario, an adequate defense just looks like more guilt. Wachowich, or Witchy Wack, or whoever she is,
then 3. She sets her trolls on them. And pretty soon its a keyboard warrior feeding frenzy; thus. 'eyeballs on'; clicko-rama baby.

Its sooooo predictable. Why do otherwise sensible people fall for it?

 

[WrongLeg]

I'm so sheltered, I just had to Google this.

I've no words.
I can't even.
No.

Pass me the gin.

Chemtrails are spread by government for the purposes of Psychological Manipulation... It’s quite brilliantly imaginative in a childlike way.
Now I’m fascinated to know how they explained the lack of Chemtrails during Covid? I bet you there are some great theories.
Less harmful than vaccine denial.

 

[U.N.Owen]

She has really gone off on one recently. Acusing everyone of "gangstalking" her constantly and how she is related to hot shot lawyers. Like she has gone a bit mad

 

[ThreeFurs]

She has really gone off on one recently. Acusing everyone of "gangstalking" her constantly and how she is related to hot shot lawyers. Like she has gone a bit mad

Yes. Full blown paranoia now. Apparently Robert Dover called her Wacko Witch. So she put up a post of some family relative's law firm door plate. Its usually really sad when someone with mental health problems breaks down openly on social media, you wish someone close to them would just say 'step away from the keyboard, Susan'.

 

[U.N.Owen]

Her latest post making out the Hughes were abusive in the training of Briolinca OMG. DHO seems to have lost it

 

[webble]

I actually find Heather's enlightened equatation a really useful read.

I do wonder if there are mental health issues at play with the conspiracy stuff

Me too I'm wondering the same it seems she has got worse of late