Parelli Demo on robert Whittakers stallion Stonleigh Friday 9th...Anybody else bside

No idea tbh! Not a follower of him, I was just on the HO stud website having a browse and it has his sire there on a page followed by the offspring and foaling dates :)
 
I worry about Catwalk. Either the treatment of him has 'deadened' him (like many riding school ponies I knew as a child), the problem will once again become an issue or the treatment of Catwalk with result in further issues.

I am in no way an expert horsewoman. I am a **** rider, a happy hacker, who has only had a horse for less than two years and you can write what I know about horses on the back of a postage stamp!

However, my current two horses, maybe by default, have come on so much and many of their quirks and problems have been 'cured'. My cob was headshy and was a b*gger to catch. Did I resort to PP's methods to bridle him? No, I took things one step at a time. Yes I was sometimes frustrated but didn't let it show and now he can be bridled and stroked on his ears and head with no problems, even by strangers. Catching him involved me spending lots of time sitting in the field on a garden chair reading a book, but it worked! My youngster was no respecter of personal space but he is much much better now, a friendly but repectful lad and not a twitch, hobble or any aggression involved at all.

If I can do it without resorting to un-necessary techniques, I'm sure PP can. The arrogance of the man is astounding!
 
Bramley said:
I was at the demo and witnessed the abuse first hand. I confronted both Pat Parelli and Robert Whittaker and saw the cut caused by the gum line first hand. I would be more than happy to give evidence if a prossecution was taken up by any welfare body. As i am sure the Festival of the Horse vet would be.
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What did they and the vet say?
 
eventer123 said:
Exactly, the 'keep it natural' drives me crazy. There's nothing natural about what he does in the real video clips of what happened -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gf7w_1ifus -- not the bs PP media machine video.
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This has been extremely tedious to read.
Several good points/replies here.
This video says volumes for myself.
Stallions don't normally offer up their penises unless under sedation.
It seems all very murky to myself.

I must post a link to this thread to the Native Pony forum I am a member of.
 
Have sort of skipped through the posts - there's just too many of them !!!
I've seen a couple of NH demonstrations and also had the chap to help me load Mr W - his name is Mike Barker and he's just the best horseman I've ever seen.
I'm not soft with my boys, I just expect them to do what I ask cos I wouldn't ask them to do anything horrible
Mike is just the most natural horseman you could ever meet, working on a partnership between you and your horse but he wouldn't make out it was rocket science; time and patience do seem to work wonders.............

With regards to PP and LP:
Have just watched the Linda P video and it's really quite nasty
Have also watched the loading video and, to be honest, PP looks pretty ****.........my 9 yr old nephew could do better than that !
 
well what a lot of hysteria. No I agree that no one has all the answers and some of what people saw they didn't like but over the top rubbish is being spouted left right and centre. I am sure that the parelli people would not recommend you went home and tried this with a horse, but as for saying they shouldn't have done it because someone might go home and copy them, well then maybe you shouldn't jump cross country at any other level than a twig because a novice might copy you etc. etc. As for injuries caused to the horse any injury is regretable in the extreme and i haven't seen the injury in question so can't comment on its prescence or lack thereof but i have seen plenty of horses with damaged mouths from being ridden and no one goes screaming around demanding the riders are prosecuted. I have also seen plenty of horses with ulcerated and lacerated mouths simply because people have not had their teeth regulaly attended to and these are being constantly reinjured just because the horse chews and they suffer months or years of pain should the owner of every horse the vet or edt finds in that state be prosecuted and at what level should that begin a 1" laceration 2 ulcers? when did you last inspect your own horses mouth? I personally find the cult of personality very unattractive and really don't understand it but it is one that is rampant in todays society and particularly so in America and one that lots of people buy into so not that unusual. Parelli has lots of good points as well as some that are less attractive like the commercialism and the unhealthy cult of personality. However at its core it does promote greater understanding of the horse it recommends lots of things like undemanding time with your horse such as just hanging out with your horse in the pasture or stable to build your relationship, it also undeniably produces great results and people and horse partnerships that are a pleasure to see without any cruelty. The reverse side where people rant and rave against people with long ropes and carrot sticks is just the reverse of the obssesive parelli fanatics. Come on people just be more tolerant don't jump on band waggons and only beleive things you have seen in there entirety with your own eyes and withold judgement till you do. As for unedited verses edited footage all the footage I have seen is edited, clips by there very nature are edited as they are only snippets so without the whole footage or unless you were there we are really unable to comment with authority. I have to admit to scepticism about some comments from people who were there and some from people who claim to have been there as there seems to be quite a lot of inconsistencies in the accounts such as time length etc. they can't all have been at the same event.
 
shutterfoto said:
Hi everyone, I especially registered to this forum so that I could answer to this thread.
I understand that some people are appaled or disgusted by what they saw and do not believe that Pat and Linda are true horsemen. I however have a completely different opinion and would at least like to share it with you. I don't really care if this changes your mind or not, you are free to believe whatever you want, but I believe in them, all the way!
Here is what I experienced:
Pat usually always comments while he is playing with or teaching horses so it helps the spectator to make sense of what it is he is doing.
This time was very very different. I don't know how many of you actually have experience with Stallions to start with (like some stallions actually kill sick foals by biting their necks, it's hard but it's nature in it's simplest form, survival of the fittest), but this particular stallion was in the top 3 of Pat's most difficult horses he has ever met in his lifelong carreer. This lead to him to put music on so he could concentrate on the horse rather than on the public. Of course this gave a gap for the spectators and created room for misinterpretation.
It's very simple though, this horse was trying to kill him and if he wouldn't have done what he has done with the horse (and risk his life), this horse might have put quite a number of people in the hospital and even worse, he might have killed some too.
People tend to forget that horses can be extremely dangerous when overconfident or when scared, young kids get killed every year by horses, same with adults.
At a certain stage, horses can become so sick of a certain treatement and they simply go on strike, that's what this horse did. I read that a lot of you were saying he was scared, but if you read the signs, the body language of the horse, you will see that he was not scared (though difficult to see as the video has a very bad quality), he was an over condifent horse on adrenaline, he hardly moved during the whole thing and when he did it was with precision and premeditation, that is a very clear sign of domination, a bit like a kungfu master in action, and the only thing that was of interest to him was getting rid of Pat, either alive or not alive.
What Pat was doing, was not scaring the horse, but convincing him that he would persist and not give up like many other people would have. He tried different techniques to get into the mind of the horse rather than to his body. Some of the techniques did not work, but in the end he managed to get into the horses mind and was able to convince him.
If you look at the very short video of the work that was done after friday you'll see that this horse is nowhere near scared of Pat, on the contrary, this horse is very relaxed and loves being with him. And not to mention, they are able to bridle him now easily and he even won a competition this weekend!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j25pS6ixWk&feature=related

If I would have scared the **** out of you like you claim he did with this horse, would you be willing to stand with me in a relaxed way and even enjoy being with me? I don't think so.

Kind Regards all
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What a load of *******s! Yet another Parelli afficionado surmising that we are all ***** who cannot read a horse's body language.
 
i don't do parelli myself but i have quite a few friends who do parelli and what they do sounds nothing like the demonstration at all.

my understanding of parelli is that it is slow process starting at level one and you don't move up to the next level until the horse is happy at the first level of games or whatever. i am presuming that rw was not doing any of the other levels or ground work with catwalk first that seems to be core of parelli and takes ages.

it seems from the demonstration the PP has missed out all the games and other levels that is advocated to get the horse comfortable on the ground and used to trusting the handler and attempted a quick fix which from my understanding from my friends is not what parelli is marked as - it seems to have lots of levels which you move up rather than one quick fix.

it sound like the parellis don't practice what they preach or they are trying to sell quick fixes to complex problems that would normally takes ages to sort out as that is more dramatic for an audience.
 
Saw this on Youtube after watching the hilarious Parelli p**s take. I don't know the details and how they treat the horse is utterly horrible and quite upsetting. But to me it shows genuine aggression in an animal and a desire to seriously hurt someone- none of which is remotely evident in the clips of Catwalk. So I think the 'trying to kill Pat' line is utter bobbins- but all the sensible people knew that already eh?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J95LsygVMaQ&feature=related
 
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