Parelli Demo on robert Whittakers stallion Stonleigh Friday 9th...Anybody else bside

KitKat-thankyou :)
Does not sound like an extreme case at all to me(we had one lad who would boot the hell out of you just for having a bridle in the box with him,that I would call extreme) but then what do I know ? :p

Linda displayed amazing patience, how 'taking the time it takes' sometimes feels frustrating and boring, but is so necessary for the horse that a true horseman will make the effort
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Did she forget to tell the OH that? :D
 
Catwalk is one of 3 most extreme cases parelli has worked with? Didn't he say casper was the worst? the ranch he bought casper from, or Dial Bar Hemp Moon to use his correct name, is very proud to stand his son and of his lineage. This particular son is quite well thought of and they openly state that they sold pat casper. Not something you'd do if you'd sold a lunatic surely???
 
I think it's very sad. I don't hate Parelli, I disagree with a lot of it nowadays but I learnt a lot of useful things from the programme.
 
Sorry cannt read anymore, the more I see about parelli, the more I hate it, what happened to good old fashioned common sense.

All I will say is my boy went away pefect, he went on loan for 18mths, and came back having broken the mans arm, and taking 18ths to get back to 'liking' me.

PARELLI, save your money and engage brain, it is next to bullying.
 
brighteyes said:
If you are American, how on earth did you know about that? It's EXACTLY what I was thinking, that very same advert.
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I am an american. someone, likely living in UK, posted it on the savvy club. whick BTW, while we all are not all in agreement there, we seem to have crossed (nearly crossed) the finish line to discussing it. we are kinda like that there. discuss till we are blue in the face, agree to disagree, and move on quickly back to playing with our horses.

I just thought I would share it, as i found it ooooohhhhh so relevent.:cool:
 
A Parelli Professional/s, filmed the whole event - one could see the whole unedited event if one were to release it and one had nothing to hide. Unedited mind, not hobbled together, did I say hobbled, I meant cobbled.
 
Just noticed on the Horse and Hound main news page that Carl Hester was eliminated from a competition at Hartpury because blood was coming from his horse's mouth. Want to comment on that horse lovers? A horse in a grand prix test bleeding?

I'd love to see this video of the whole Catwalk thing as I didn't see it but wouldn't it be interesting to also see some vid on youtube of all the things that go on at everyday horse shows and events in the name of normal horsemanship?

You know ..the people being dragged around, the horses that pull back when tied to the trailer, the loading disasters, the whacking the nappy horse to go in the arena, the horse asked to do round after round of showjumping in the heat, the horse that gets yanked in the mouth or his mouth sawed on with the bit for not working in "an outline".

Don't forget to smile and wave when someone's filming you - you could be on telly, and of course you wouldn't object would you because you wouldn't mind at all having the world see how you train your horses?
 
independentthinker said:
Just noticed on the Horse and Hound main news page that Carl Hester was eliminated from a competition at Hartpury because blood was coming from his horse's mouth. Want to comment on that horse lovers? A horse in a grand prix test bleeding?

I'd love to see this video of the whole Catwalk thing as I didn't see it but wouldn't it be interesting to also see some vid on youtube of all the things that go on at everyday horse shows and events in the name of normal horsemanship?

You know ..the people being dragged around, the horses that pull back when tied to the trailer, the loading disasters, the whacking the nappy horse to go in the arena, the horse asked to do round after round of showjumping in the heat, the horse that gets yanked in the mouth or his mouth sawed on with the bit for not working in "an outline".

Don't forget to smile and wave when someone's filming you - you could be on telly, and of course you wouldn't object would you because you wouldn't mind at all having the world see how you train your horses?
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This seems to be a popular argument against any outcry about Parelli. But it's a strawman. Parelli was putting on a demonstration to the public, billed as a chance to see a man use methods that did not include force or restraint (sorry - the exact wording is somewhere in here but I'm too tired to look for it). The outcry is because he DID use exactly those things.

We all know abuse and mistreatment happens all the time. It's not limited to Pat Parelli and it's not limited to traditional horse training. All of it is wrong and should be pointed out. But when a person is billed as one thing and shows another, people are apt to be upset.

And just because other horsemen do terrible things to their horses doesn't mean we should let Parelli off the hook if people think he did wrong.
 
please read the BHS response to all this under thread "BHS statement" - I think it says exactly what most of us wanted to hear from them, and is very encouraging :D sm x
 
I thought I would try and see the parelli peoples' reaction to the furore on facebook, but guess what, you can't make any comment...
Lots of self satisfied smug comments about how blind everyone on H and H forum are, how we can't "see" what they can see or have had an enlightening moment therefor will never understand.
Why is it the overall image I get of parelli people are the sort of oddballs you see on DIY yards, usually those who have immense problems with their horses and have traipsed from intructor to instructor never really improving that much.
I've yet to find a UK professional who either trains riders or horses for a living coming out and saying good things about them. One event rider was associated with them but she seems to have disappeared off the scene, and I find them on the whole incredibly ignorant of the way so many of us quietly go about our horse businesses providing nice sane trained horses for people to have years of fun on.
Am I vain in saying I don't need to watch their daft videos of teaching horses to jump over barrels etc, that's the sort of trick we did as kids for fun, same as jumping bridleless etc, we did it for fun!
When I see perhaps Jennie Loriston Clark, Pippa Funnel, Frankie Dettori, Graham Fletcher having a lesson on "How to" from a parelli teacher then perhaps I will give them some respect, until then they appear a load of money making (I have nothing against making money mind!) prats who are preying on the feeble members of the equine ownership.
Their constant bleating of "We are special, we see what you can't see " is wearing thin, my response is and always has been, "Actually it's because we can see what's going on we don't give you any credence.."
 
No idea, just thought that might be where you got the info about how the H and H are all 'backwards' and will be shown the light, you could probs google Savvy Forum but I expect you have to pledge allegance to Pat and Linda, coupled with a small fortune before being able to post :p :D

Have you red the thread by Tongue and Cheek?? the Ask a Parelli student .... now holds barred one?? its fantastic and trust me not a 'you just don't understand we will show you all the light' type of Parelli user?
 
Lets face it the Parelli's are in it for one thing and one thing only MONEY I was witness to them warming up for a demonstration at Windsor horse show a couple of years ago when they lunged a horse round and round and round for a long time. So long that it went on for the full time of the cob class I was watching which had a really large field, no wonder their horses behave and can be ridden bareback they are exhausted.

Natural Horsemanship - sorry a money spinning venture conning people who would like a better relationship with their horse. I mean seriously, standing horses on barrels and making them behave like circus elephants is just degrading for the animals and pointless - There is only one way to get that relationship with your horse- spend time with it, get to know it and treat it with RESPECT. The stallion didn't like wearing a bridle - SO WHAT does every human being like wearing shoes no we don't so why do we expect horses to like everything we do to them?

I only wish that these large venues and the media would stop punting the Parelli's and focus on real trainers and instructors rather than the gimmics and the gadgets.
 
I think it would have to be a very brave UK venue to feature Parelli ever again, after all this ;) Think of all those rotten tomatoes and eggs- no-one would allow a horse to be subjected to that, let alone the following demo.
 
independentthinker said:
Just noticed on the Horse and Hound main news page that Carl Hester was eliminated from a competition at Hartpury because blood was coming from his horse's mouth. Want to comment on that horse lovers? A horse in a grand prix test bleeding?
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Are you insinuating that Carl mistreated Liebling? The horse apparently bit his tongue, it's not relevant in any way to this Parelli thing. I think it's awful that you would say something like this.
I agree with you about the everyday things that happen, though. They're just as bad as what Parelli is accused of doing.
 
An observation from being at a large show lorry park yesterday:

Why was it that every horse who was refusing to load was wearing a NH/Parelli halter and being cajoled using carrot sticks?
Why after an hour of trying were these same horses not loading?

I know someone who told me on the way back from a week long P course her horse wasnt 'happy' about loading so the P trainer kept trying for 3 hours until ponio walked into trailer with a 'happy' expression.
 
toffeesmarty said:
An observation from being at a large show lorry park yesterday:

Why was it that every horse who was refusing to load was wearing a NH/Parelli halter and being cajoled using carrot sticks?
Why after an hour of trying were these same horses not loading?

I know someone who told me on the way back from a week long P course her horse wasnt 'happy' about loading so the P trainer kept trying for 3 hours until ponio walked into trailer with a 'happy' expression.
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Maybe you should ask that question on the thread 'Ask a Parelli student' maybe you might get the correct answer!

Edit. using a certain item of tack does not mean you know how and why you are using it.
 
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LottieNoo said:
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Natural Horsemanship - sorry a money spinning venture conning people who would like a better relationship with their horse.

[[[[[I'm sorry I've not been conned as you put it, why do you think that the people who 'do' Parelli are some what stupid and gullible? thats just insulting, and as narrow minded as people who think anyone who isn't white is a terrorist!!]]]]]]

I mean seriously, standing horses on barrels and making them behave like circus elephants is just degrading for the animals and pointless -

[[[[ Horses who stand on those barrels are in fact standing on what they see as a safe'comfort spot, a place where they can relax and feel safe, takes a lot of trust on the horses behalf to do that, its no circus trick.]]]]


There is only one way to get that relationship with your horse- spend time with it, get to know it and treat it with RESPECT.

[[[[[ I totally agree :)]]]]]]]]]

PS I'm sorry I don't know how to highlight my words

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pippinpie said:
Horses who stand on those barrels are in fact standing on what they see as a safe'comfort spot, a place where they can relax and feel safe, takes a lot of trust on the horses behalf to do that, its no circus trick.
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Please explain the rationale behind that. Why does the 'safe' spot have to be on a barrel, as opposed, say, to next to you?
Frankly I don't see the point of the 'tricks'. I don't need to make my mare stand on barrels to know she trusts me. She has placed her trust in me in countless ways over the years and to 'test' this trust by asking her to stand on a barrel (I know she would try, by the way) would in MY mind, be an insult to the relationship we have. But that's probably just me.
 
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