Parelli = Horse-Man-Sh*T

I am inclined to agree with you , but I suspect this is a matter of culture, the americans do things a bit differently. However, saying that. I recently helped a friend with a difficult (is difficult the right word for a horse that pins its owner against a trailer and boxes at her)horse. Once we had caught the horse I held it for her to untack and boot up. Her comment was"he stands like a lamb for you". Too right he did. I beat him down far harder than Mrs Parelli in the video ,yet an outsider wouldnt have seen a thing.Just a question of keeping their attention and eye contact.Cant explain it , If I could I would be as rich asMr Parelli.
 


And I have taught more horses to load than I care to remember - from total beginners who have NEVER loaded (the easiest!) to horses that regularly took their owners 3 hours to load. I have NEVER had to chase a horse around in circles (except for the 'tight lunging' part of a 5 stage vetting!) - and I see no circumstances in which it would be helpful with a problem loader!

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If she tried that with Cappy she would be the first Parelli in space! Personally I am fed up with this "natural" horsemanship and instant answers, training a horse is common sense and gentleness tempered with firmness where necessary. Not gimmicks and expensive aids.
 
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Everyone seems to be making a lot about the metal clip. Incase anyone hadnt noticed you can only pull on a rope. She snakes the rope hard. The weight of the clip actually absorbs most of the energy. (that is probably why she is snaking it so hard). Now lets consider the English method . Lets put a metal ring in the horses mouth that is designed to cause pain when the lead rope is pulled. When the horses attention strays we give it a pull. This is direct application of force to induce pain.No rope waggling or clips bouncing about. Force and pain.We are accustomed to the chiffany so we dont generaly consider its effect.

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since when was the English method to use a chifney?
is this the same as all 'tradional' horsemen beat their horses into submission, use whips and chains and all horses are trained in fear?

the point is, she was alternating between so many methods the horse didn't have a clue what was going on!
she wrenched it's head towards her and when it turned to face her she hit it in the head, very confusing.

the rope waggle will work to get the horse out of your space but only if you give it enough line to move backwards, not if you only allow it 4ft of rope and keep hauling it back towards you.

looks to me like she lost her temper, was scared the horse was going to stand on her and was acting out of fear and anger- not conducive to a good training session.

i haven't got any strong natural/parelli/traditional views either way but surely anyone can see this particular training session didn't go well for the horse or the trainer.
 
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Everyone seems to be making a lot about the metal clip. Incase anyone hadnt noticed you can only pull on a rope. She snakes the rope hard. The weight of the clip actually absorbs most of the energy. (that is probably why she is snaking it so hard)

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What a load of bullocks!! If you are going to try and argue for something at least TRY and make sense, otherwise it just makes you appear to be an idiot who really doesn't know what they're talking about
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So according to you when the rope magically flies through the air and the leather end whips the horse or the clip connects with his face it does it by itself??
 
My horse loads herself quite happily - she doesn't need to follow me. I'm sure others have good loaders too and didn't have to use dodgy methods to get them onboard. Obviously I had to 'lead' to start with when she was a baby but I think it's called having a partnership (she's 14 and I've had her since she was 6 months old).

Hitting a horse in the face with ANYTHING is really not on. Nasty.
 
"ready to run away!"

I thought it might be useful for you to see this link to the intelligent horsemanship forum. It shows their views on this video, who also seemed to be appalled by her actions. I dont think its fair to group parelli with all the types of natural horsemanship as some of you have done. Some methods have their place in training & some dont, just like traditional horsemanship. Just because you dont understand it, doesnt mean it is wrong (refering to natural horsemanship as a whole, I for one dont have a clue about parelli & that video didnt give me any inclination to learn more!)

http://ihdg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ght10&action=display&thread=103973
 
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All I can say is that you are missing out on a particularly usefull piece of horse psychology.Loading a horse is not about loading a horse. It is about who leads and who follows.

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Of course it's about who leads and who follows. WHich is why I prefer to gain TRUST - rather than scare a horse half silly! I don't need to chase horses away from me to make them want to be with me. Your logic escapes me.
 
Parelli = Clever Marketing and nothing more.

I do respect some natural horsemanship (and use some of the techniques myself) but that video goes against everything I have ever read/seen.

An open mind, willing to have a go and if it works for you then great but common sense says what on earth was she doing with that poor horse?

I personally am not a parelli fan - someone (an expert) came and tried to show me how to handle a headshy youngster (NOT at my request - they were visiting neighbours..long story) End of session resulted in very stressed youngster and possibly even more headshy.
 
That is disgusting the horse is confused. A great way of making a horse head shy.
I have always been wary of parrelli. Seems a way of selling over priced dvds and equipment to me. I have seen them at the nec and was less than impressed. They almost seem to brai wash their followers.
 
This is particularly to Mike.
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I have attended many Parelli clinics and believe me, the higher phases of the Yo Yo are intended to give the horse a good whack round the face with the clip. The impact may be absorbed by the rope, that I can't comment on, but I do know that the impact of the clip is significant. As the halters are often too big, the loose rope under the chin increases the effect.
One of my friends had a lovely but rather unsafe horse with her at a Parelli centre when she was a student. The instructor worked with this horse one day, and afterwards large lumps came up on the horse's jaw as a result of the impact of the clip. They took a very, very long time to go down.
I have seen horses with their faces rubbed raw at the end of a day's clinic, by the constant swinging movement of the halters on their faces. I haven't seen that with any other people who use rope halters, but then they don't do these exagerated movements when they are training their horses.
 
Gosh, I really didn't think that the vid would get my back up, but it has! As most people on here are aware, I take no crap from my horses, I use natural methods but am not adverse to giving them a smack either! What she was doing on that video made me very uncomfortable. I agree with Mike, horses need to have their attention on YOU, and I use wiggly ropes and pulls as reminders, but not to that extent, the horse didn't have a chance IMO, and it is never fair to hit a horse in the face, regardless of whether it is a game or not!

As Janet said, gaining trust is far better than scaring a horse half silly. I don't like the sending away process, never have, never will, but I will make a horse move his quarters and I do use small circles for attention.
 
That horse commited the ultimate sin.It IGNORED Linda Parelli!!!!! She is just a bully.I have met loads in my time.In the horse world, out the horse world and Ican recognize one when I meet one.Will be interested in the BHS response.
 
I have just watched it again and I think that she is frightend of the horse.
She is just pushing the horse around and she does not seem to know what she wants the horse to do.
The poor horse is confused and much of that treatment will just make it head shy.
I feel disgusted by it.
 
All I can say is......Open your eyes parelli people and take a good look at what really lies under all the marketing etc
 
how to make a horse head shy and frightend, what sort of relationship are you going to have with a horse which is always expecting a whack from you, personally id prefer to have a trust relationship with my horses, my horses will put their trust in me and do what they I ASK not what I force them to do and I know that I can put my trust in them, I have had bolshy and nervous wreck horses over the years and never have I once had to hit a horse in the face to gain its attention, for gods sake would you whack a toddler because they where looking the other way, no you would ask them or be done for abuse, its exactly the same

licence to own a horse?
 
Looks like horse torture to me. I can actually see what she is trying to do. She is trying to be a dominant, confident leader and get an obedient, respectful horse. But she is doing it far too quick to get flashy results. You can get the same results by being a bit slower and less violent and flappy and you might just get a horse that likes you as well as respects you.

And just why do so many of these "parelli" advocates have horses that need this stuff anyway? I got a horse who had an inexperienced owner who was very into Parelli, and she basically taught him to rear by jumping off every time he napped and messing about with him on the ground like this. But wow, was this horse fab at groundwork and loose schooling! Just ended up dangerous for even professionals to ride...
 
WTF!!!!!!!!!! The poor horse!!! God theres no way you be able to do that with my horse!! Hes had enough of people wacking him round his head this is a great way to make your horse complety head shy and into a nervous wreck!!!!! I couldnt even watch all of it as I was getting mad by this!!!!
 
The sad thing is I have seen this happen at my old yard, walloped in the face with a metal clip and a wooden pole, sorry, 'home made' carrot stick.
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How people can defend it is beyond me. I saw no evidence of a dangerous horse about to run her over.
Animals abuse. If you saw that behaviour at a competition or something, the animal welfare people would be all over it.
 
Yes, poor horse. What a disgusting display.
I may have missed it but I did not see one horse being ridden in the background, plenty being led around in tack
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This video is part of the Level 1 pack...Level 1 being focused on 'how to keep yourself safe'. Having watched this video and section 'in full' (the uploaded video is an isolation of the situation) what I saw was an owner who was going to end up in hospital with this horse (and wouldn't be the first). The horse was just crashing through him with absolutely no idea he was even there. In the clip I didn't see Linda 'attacking' the horse with anger or agression, and with the 'wiggle, wiggle, bump' she was giving the horse the opportunity to respond to the first 'wiggle'. Have you ever seen a horse move another horse? If this horse was in a herd environment and crashed around like that he'd get a kick in the chops pretty quickly. Is that not natural for a horse to kick or bite another horse? Also I don't think she's 'chasing' the horse round in circles. It seems she's trying to disengage his hind quarters to help him come to a stop. The horse 'chose' to run forward, when he did Linda put some motion down the rope equal to the pressure that the horse was running forward with and he ran himself into the 'bump'. I think this is just one example of what to do to keep yourself safe in an extreme situation...not how Parelli is practised all the time. I'm not a Parelli devotee or anything, but have seen all of their material and having viewed it in full it does make sense. With any type of training methods I think it's really important to understand it before we critisize...if we do then surely we all fall into the category of 'my way or the highway'??? Just my humble opinion.
 
So slapping a horse in the face is ok is it?
The woman knows nothing exept how to make money out of people who should know better.
 
How disgusting, the poor horse didnt have a clue, how does smacking it with a rope to send it forward then when it does smacking round the face acheive anything? Shame on the owner for standing there and allowing the horse to be abused like that?
If that was my horse id have pasted her!
 
I only watched a couple of minutes of the video because I was getting so angry. That poor confused horse - what in heaven's name was she trying to do? I'm amazed that the horse didn't totally p*ss off. I thought it's head carriage was interesting too, it's obviously been whacked round the head before so was trying to keep it out of the way. I have never had any time for the Parelli sh*t and this just reinforces my opinion. It's such a shame that so many gullible people have been taken in by them and I feel really sorry for all horses that have been ruined by such handling. It's wicked.
 
I really can't work out what she's trying to achieve, other than bruising its chin and face, and making it nervous and unhappy.
way to go, Linda. i hope this one goes viral/global.
fwiw someone very high up in the Parelli world told a friend that "your first Parelli horse is your sacrificial horse" (that you learn on, and wreck in the process) - looks as if Linda hasn't got past that bit yet.
How utterly charming.
Having watched them both, I think PP himself is a master horseman like Monty Roberts (who is more of a showman but less of a businessman imho), but this Mooneyism does not work, any more than watching Mark Todd for a few hours, and buying every book and vid he might ever have made, would make anyone as good as him...
 
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