Tia
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The human mind may not read every letter, however the human mind (with decent enough teaching) CAN immediately pinpoint words with incorrect spellings.
people please.........
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Sooty
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Ah, but all those words have the correct letters in!
And for those that say they are no longer at school, learning is a lifelong process...
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That is a bit hypocritical, isn't your punctuation incorrect there. I was taught that you don't put ',' and 'and' next to each other, you put one or the other but you wrote 'it is a fact of life that those who spell correctly, and use proper punctuation and grammer.' I'm not trying to be over-critical of you but I'm trying to point out that even those who think they are correct and are annoyed by this make mistakes.
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No, you are wrong, random_rach.
It is correct to write the sentence 'Horses can be bay, chestnut, black and grey'.
It is equally correct to write 'Horses can be bay, chestnut, black, and grey'. The comma before the 'and' is known as an 'Oxford comma' (I don't know why) and is considered to be more correct, but perhaps old-fashioned.
I know this because I use it too....I am 504yrs old.
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That is a bit hypocritical, isn't your punctuation incorrect there. I was taught that you don't put ',' and 'and' next to each other, you put one or the other but you wrote 'it is a fact of life that those who spell correctly, and use proper punctuation and grammer.' I'm not trying to be over-critical of you but I'm trying to point out that even those who think they are correct and are annoyed by this make mistakes.
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No, you are wrong, random_rach.
It is correct to write the sentence 'Horses can be bay, chestnut, black and grey'.
It is equally correct to write 'Horses can be bay, chestnut, black, and grey'. The comma before the 'and' is known as an 'Oxford comma' (I don't know why) and is considered to be more correct, but perhaps old-fashioned.
I know this because I use it too....I am 504yrs old.
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diamonddogs
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*is a spelling and grammar pedant too*
Could of and should of are on my list of top annoyances too. Text speak makes me want to commit murder, and as for misused apostrophes - don't even go there!!!
My boss has put a big A3 sign on the notice board at work saying "Manège" not "Ménage", which I fully support, as this is my main horsey annoyance.
I've studied for seven years with the Open University, and the only course that marked you down for bad spelling and punctuation was a Level 1 technology course! Even the Level 2 English language course ignored spelling mistakes!
I'd just like to point out as well that dialects are regional accents- they aren't bad English or somehow improper - they might sound awful to some people, but they do have their own rules of syntax and yes, spelling too.
And I've checked this post carefully for spelling mistakes, so anything incorrect is a typo, not a spelling mistake!
I agree with the people who said they can't be arsed with a post written entirely in lower case with no punctuation at all, and random upper case letters confuse me, but what really gets me scratching my head is People Who Type Everything In Sentence Case, Which Is Incredibly Difficult To Do, Isn't It. What's that all about?
Could of and should of are on my list of top annoyances too. Text speak makes me want to commit murder, and as for misused apostrophes - don't even go there!!!
My boss has put a big A3 sign on the notice board at work saying "Manège" not "Ménage", which I fully support, as this is my main horsey annoyance.
I've studied for seven years with the Open University, and the only course that marked you down for bad spelling and punctuation was a Level 1 technology course! Even the Level 2 English language course ignored spelling mistakes!
I'd just like to point out as well that dialects are regional accents- they aren't bad English or somehow improper - they might sound awful to some people, but they do have their own rules of syntax and yes, spelling too.
And I've checked this post carefully for spelling mistakes, so anything incorrect is a typo, not a spelling mistake!
I agree with the people who said they can't be arsed with a post written entirely in lower case with no punctuation at all, and random upper case letters confuse me, but what really gets me scratching my head is People Who Type Everything In Sentence Case, Which Is Incredibly Difficult To Do, Isn't It. What's that all about?
the watcher
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"Manège" not "Ménage"
Oh yes, I find the words 'arena' or 'school' to be safer as people always look at me strangely if I say manege (to techie thick to work out how to do the accent)
"what really gets me scratching my head is People Who Type Everything In Sentence Case, Which Is Incredibly Difficult To Do, Isn't It. What's that all about?"
How very Victorian
It is occasionally used for effect or to evoke a sense of quaintness.
Oh yes, I find the words 'arena' or 'school' to be safer as people always look at me strangely if I say manege (to techie thick to work out how to do the accent)
"what really gets me scratching my head is People Who Type Everything In Sentence Case, Which Is Incredibly Difficult To Do, Isn't It. What's that all about?"
How very Victorian
It is occasionally used for effect or to evoke a sense of quaintness.
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Donkeymad
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If I am reding the OP correctly, it is not so much the fact that every one of us sometimes make a spelling mistake, but more that very commonly used words are spelt incorrectly. Infact, the wrong words are used. Bought/brought, conformation/confirmation etc, are words used most days, therefore surely, these words should be spelt correctly more often.
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I grew up in Germany, so English is not my first language, and EVERY mistake is pointed out to us, down to forgetting to dot an i, in both English and German lessons. I take pride in being able to use (fairly) correct spelling and grammar in both languages, so I take my time and read over what I have written before I post.
(I'm sure Shils will find something horrendously wrong with my post now
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Hey, how often do you see me correct any posts on here, aside from today, on this thread? I don't actually care, as long as I can understand them.
I'm only doing it today, to be evil to those on this thread who claim to be exemplary in their written English, oh, and to Shaab because it's fun
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I make mistakes too, lots of them. And I've taken the pi$$ out of myself too - my reference to vertebra/e was about a post I made earlier (draw reins) which I was too lazy to correct.
So there!
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I take it you didn't find anything then?
I don't correct people either, I just stop reading the posts that are illegible, or grumble quietly to myself about the other stuff.
I am actually really terrible at writing
, my brain tends to go faster than my hands, so I end up with half the letters in a word missing, or random "hybrid" words, because I start writing the next word before I've finished the previous one.
This is fine when typing on the computer, because I can proof read and correct it. My handwriting on the other hand tends to look rather messy, with lots of crossed out bits and corrections.
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I grew up in Germany, so English is not my first language, and EVERY mistake is pointed out to us, down to forgetting to dot an i, in both English and German lessons. I take pride in being able to use (fairly) correct spelling and grammar in both languages, so I take my time and read over what I have written before I post.
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Hey, how often do you see me correct any posts on here, aside from today, on this thread? I don't actually care, as long as I can understand them.
I'm only doing it today, to be evil to those on this thread who claim to be exemplary in their written English, oh, and to Shaab because it's fun
I make mistakes too, lots of them. And I've taken the pi$$ out of myself too - my reference to vertebra/e was about a post I made earlier (draw reins) which I was too lazy to correct.
So there!
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I take it you didn't find anything then?
I don't correct people either, I just stop reading the posts that are illegible, or grumble quietly to myself about the other stuff.
I am actually really terrible at writing
MotherOfChickens
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If I am reding the OP correctly, it is not so much the fact that every one of us sometimes make a spelling mistake, but more that very commonly used words are spelt incorrectly. Infact, the wrong words are used. Bought/brought, conformation/confirmation etc, are words used most days, therefore surely, these words should be spelt correctly more often.
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*hugs Moke*
we all make the occasional mistake but the conformation one seems to be very common atm so I pointed it out. after all, confirmation doesnt mean conformation. if something is important to you, as horses are to us, surely we should make the effort to do it/speak it/write it properly?!
and to whoever pointed out how lucky I am. well, yes I am thankyou-at least I aint common!
If I am reding the OP correctly, it is not so much the fact that every one of us sometimes make a spelling mistake, but more that very commonly used words are spelt incorrectly. Infact, the wrong words are used. Bought/brought, conformation/confirmation etc, are words used most days, therefore surely, these words should be spelt correctly more often.
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*hugs Moke*
we all make the occasional mistake but the conformation one seems to be very common atm so I pointed it out. after all, confirmation doesnt mean conformation. if something is important to you, as horses are to us, surely we should make the effort to do it/speak it/write it properly?!
and to whoever pointed out how lucky I am. well, yes I am thankyou-at least I aint common!
Rueysmum
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One thing which has always amazed me is the inappropriate use of apostrophes.
Since when has the plural of horses become "horse's"?
I don't know if this has already been mentioned in this thread, but....
How many times do we have to endure illiterate posts asking inane questions such as, "do you think I can cope with so many horse's?"
I am a pedantic old biddy, but my patience is wearing rather thin with the old dyslexia excuses. My rationale is that if people can't express themselves in their indigenous language then how the hell can they start to understand relatively complex issues? No wonder so many people's lives are in such a mess because they haven't even grasped the rudiments of their own language.
You'll probably all hate me, but I don't care because I am old.
Since when has the plural of horses become "horse's"?
I don't know if this has already been mentioned in this thread, but....
How many times do we have to endure illiterate posts asking inane questions such as, "do you think I can cope with so many horse's?"
I am a pedantic old biddy, but my patience is wearing rather thin with the old dyslexia excuses. My rationale is that if people can't express themselves in their indigenous language then how the hell can they start to understand relatively complex issues? No wonder so many people's lives are in such a mess because they haven't even grasped the rudiments of their own language.
You'll probably all hate me, but I don't care because I am old.
xnaughtybutnicex
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That is a bit hypocritical, isn't your punctuation incorrect there. I was taught that you don't put ',' and 'and' next to each other, you put one or the other but you wrote 'it is a fact of life that those who spell correctly, and use proper punctuation and grammer.' I'm not trying to be over-critical of you but I'm trying to point out that even those who think they are correct and are annoyed by this make mistakes.
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No, you are wrong, random_rach.
It is correct to write the sentence 'Horses can be bay, chestnut, black and grey'.
It is equally correct to write 'Horses can be bay, chestnut, black, and grey'. The comma before the 'and' is known as an 'Oxford comma' (I don't know why) and is considered to be more correct, but perhaps old-fashioned.
I know this because I use it too....I am 504yrs old.
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Yes, but if were using it min that sentence would you say 'horses can be bay, and chesnut, and black and grey.' I didnt think you were supposed to used it like that (using ',and' in the middle of a sentence.)
My grammer/ puncuation isn't too bad considering my year 9 and 10 english teacher was actually a food teacher lol
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That is a bit hypocritical, isn't your punctuation incorrect there. I was taught that you don't put ',' and 'and' next to each other, you put one or the other but you wrote 'it is a fact of life that those who spell correctly, and use proper punctuation and grammer.' I'm not trying to be over-critical of you but I'm trying to point out that even those who think they are correct and are annoyed by this make mistakes.
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No, you are wrong, random_rach.
It is correct to write the sentence 'Horses can be bay, chestnut, black and grey'.
It is equally correct to write 'Horses can be bay, chestnut, black, and grey'. The comma before the 'and' is known as an 'Oxford comma' (I don't know why) and is considered to be more correct, but perhaps old-fashioned.
I know this because I use it too....I am 504yrs old.
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Yes, but if were using it min that sentence would you say 'horses can be bay, and chesnut, and black and grey.' I didnt think you were supposed to used it like that (using ',and' in the middle of a sentence.)
My grammer/ puncuation isn't too bad considering my year 9 and 10 english teacher was actually a food teacher lol
xnaughtybutnicex
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Ahh yes shils there is my problem. Your 504 and I'm not lol us 'young-uns' don't get taught the use of the oxford comma anymore.
jules89
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you guys do realise this might b one of the most talked about topics on HHO this week, meaning it will get mentionned in the mag! haha
we're all going to look really clever! haha
we're all going to look really clever! haha
xnaughtybutnicex
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LOL oh dear, how exciting. That'll make people want to join the forum.
Kenzo
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I would not like to say that everyone should be able to spell perfectly or not bother to post...... Any more than people should be told to ride perfectly or not bother to ride..
Has it crossed your mind that people are not spelling badly to piss you off...... it could be, as has been shown in this post, that they really think that this is how you spell a particular word.
I think that it is not up to a forum to educate people.... that is what school was for..... People come on here to enjoy themselves and not to be corrected.
Not everyone had the oportunity to go to a good school, there are some out there which let children leave without the basics in place..... let alone perfection
OP..... think yourself lucky
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oh poo, i just noticed for some strange reason my two pence worth was not added, apart from my smiley's, (not much good at spelling or copy and pasting by the looks of things)anyway all I was going to say, hes I'm terrible at spelling, agree with above, last think I'm going to worry about when I'm either opening my heart, having a tearful moment or getting something of my chest, is my spelling, but yes I am embarrassed and wish I was better at it, so I applogise now for offending you all.
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I would not like to say that everyone should be able to spell perfectly or not bother to post...... Any more than people should be told to ride perfectly or not bother to ride..
Has it crossed your mind that people are not spelling badly to piss you off...... it could be, as has been shown in this post, that they really think that this is how you spell a particular word.
I think that it is not up to a forum to educate people.... that is what school was for..... People come on here to enjoy themselves and not to be corrected.
Not everyone had the oportunity to go to a good school, there are some out there which let children leave without the basics in place..... let alone perfection
OP..... think yourself lucky
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oh poo, i just noticed for some strange reason my two pence worth was not added, apart from my smiley's, (not much good at spelling or copy and pasting by the looks of things)anyway all I was going to say, hes I'm terrible at spelling, agree with above, last think I'm going to worry about when I'm either opening my heart, having a tearful moment or getting something of my chest, is my spelling, but yes I am embarrassed and wish I was better at it, so I applogise now for offending you all.
htobago
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That is a bit hypocritical, isn't your punctuation incorrect there. I was taught that you don't put ',' and 'and' next to each other, you put one or the other but you wrote 'it is a fact of life that those who spell correctly, and use proper punctuation and grammer.' I'm not trying to be over-critical of you but I'm trying to point out that even those who think they are correct and are annoyed by this make mistakes.
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No, you are wrong, random_rach.
It is correct to write the sentence 'Horses can be bay, chestnut, black and grey'.
It is equally correct to write 'Horses can be bay, chestnut, black, and grey'. The comma before the 'and' is known as an 'Oxford comma' (I don't know why) and is considered to be more correct, but perhaps old-fashioned.
I know this because I use it too....I am 504yrs old.
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It is known as the 'Oxford comma' because it is used by Oxford University Press. I used to work as a copywriter for OUP, after I spent a few years as a freelance copy-editor/proofreader for various academic publishers. (I now write books for a living - much more fun than correcting other people's grammar!)
But I wasn't using the 'Oxford comma' in that sentence. The clause beginning with 'and' was a subordinate clause, not part of a list, so it was perfectly correct to use commas before and after this clause.
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That is a bit hypocritical, isn't your punctuation incorrect there. I was taught that you don't put ',' and 'and' next to each other, you put one or the other but you wrote 'it is a fact of life that those who spell correctly, and use proper punctuation and grammer.' I'm not trying to be over-critical of you but I'm trying to point out that even those who think they are correct and are annoyed by this make mistakes.
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No, you are wrong, random_rach.
It is correct to write the sentence 'Horses can be bay, chestnut, black and grey'.
It is equally correct to write 'Horses can be bay, chestnut, black, and grey'. The comma before the 'and' is known as an 'Oxford comma' (I don't know why) and is considered to be more correct, but perhaps old-fashioned.
I know this because I use it too....I am 504yrs old.
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It is known as the 'Oxford comma' because it is used by Oxford University Press. I used to work as a copywriter for OUP, after I spent a few years as a freelance copy-editor/proofreader for various academic publishers. (I now write books for a living - much more fun than correcting other people's grammar!)
But I wasn't using the 'Oxford comma' in that sentence. The clause beginning with 'and' was a subordinate clause, not part of a list, so it was perfectly correct to use commas before and after this clause.
xnaughtybutnicex
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It is known as the 'Oxford comma' because it is used by Oxford University Press. I used to work as a copywriter for OUP, after I spent a few years as a freelance copy-editor/proofreader for various academic publishers. (I now write books for a living - much more fun than correcting other people's grammar!)
But I wasn't using the 'Oxford comma' in that sentence. The clause beginning with 'and' was a subordinate clause, not part of a list, so it was perfectly correct to use commas before and after this clause.
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Woo, check her out- posh cow
lol
It is known as the 'Oxford comma' because it is used by Oxford University Press. I used to work as a copywriter for OUP, after I spent a few years as a freelance copy-editor/proofreader for various academic publishers. (I now write books for a living - much more fun than correcting other people's grammar!)
But I wasn't using the 'Oxford comma' in that sentence. The clause beginning with 'and' was a subordinate clause, not part of a list, so it was perfectly correct to use commas before and after this clause.
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Woo, check her out- posh cow
weevil
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we all make the occasional mistake but the conformation one seems to be very common atm so I pointed it out. after all, confirmation doesnt mean conformation.
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True, maybe next time people post asking for confirmation we should all just reply confirming that yes, it is indeed a horse
we all make the occasional mistake but the conformation one seems to be very common atm so I pointed it out. after all, confirmation doesnt mean conformation.
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True, maybe next time people post asking for confirmation we should all just reply confirming that yes, it is indeed a horse
Tia
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Woo, check her out- posh cow
lol
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"Posh cow"?
What a strange thing to say, especially when Tobago is simply explaining to you why she used the sentence structure she chose to use.
Woo, check her out- posh cow
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"Posh cow"?
vennessa
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The lesson for next week will be Mathematics
MotherOfChickens
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we all make the occasional mistake but the conformation one seems to be very common atm so I pointed it out. after all, confirmation doesnt mean conformation.
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True, maybe next time people post asking for confirmation we should all just reply confirming that yes, it is indeed a horse
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lol-someone would still play the 'dont make fun of me some of us arent as fortunate as you' card
I dont think I've ever started such a big thread anywhere!
mmm, must think up another worthwhile topic...
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we all make the occasional mistake but the conformation one seems to be very common atm so I pointed it out. after all, confirmation doesnt mean conformation.
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True, maybe next time people post asking for confirmation we should all just reply confirming that yes, it is indeed a horse
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lol-someone would still play the 'dont make fun of me some of us arent as fortunate as you' card
I dont think I've ever started such a big thread anywhere!
mmm, must think up another worthwhile topic...
xnaughtybutnicex
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Woo, check her out- posh cow
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"Posh cow"?
What a strange thing to say, especially when Tobago is simply explaining to you why she used the sentence structure she chose to use.
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I was just messing around, she used lots of long words
I didn't think that was hard to work out but maybe it was
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Woo, check her out- posh cow
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"Posh cow"?
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I was just messing around, she used lots of long words
Tia
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Lots of long words ... what, like "university" and "publisher", hardly difficult words and not particularly long either.
You may well have been "messing around", and if calling someone a "posh cow" is acceptable in your world then I apologise as you obviously won't see anything wrong with it. It is, however, classed as "very rude" in my world, hence my comment.
You may well have been "messing around", and if calling someone a "posh cow" is acceptable in your world then I apologise as you obviously won't see anything wrong with it. It is, however, classed as "very rude" in my world, hence my comment.
htobago
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Oh dear - I didn't mean to come across as snooty or anything. The stuff about working for OUP and as a copy-editor was just to explain why I'm a bit of a stuffy old pedant when it comes to grammar and spelling!
htobago
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Thanks Tia!
It's OK, I've been called worse things. Anyway, I'm in a good mood today as I've just heard from my agent that he's sold Korean translation rights to my latest book - and the US edition is re-printing!
(Sorry, totally off-topic, I know, but I'm feeling so chuffed, I just had to tell someone!
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It's OK, I've been called worse things. Anyway, I'm in a good mood today as I've just heard from my agent that he's sold Korean translation rights to my latest book - and the US edition is re-printing!
(Sorry, totally off-topic, I know, but I'm feeling so chuffed, I just had to tell someone!
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Oh dear - I didn't mean to come across as snooty or anything.
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You didn't
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the word 'loose' being used incorrectly, I see it ALL the time on here- even by people who normally use excellent spelling and grammar!
'I am sorry you are going to loose your ride' - NO, they are going to LOSE their ride!
Oh dear - I didn't mean to come across as snooty or anything.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the word 'loose' being used incorrectly, I see it ALL the time on here- even by people who normally use excellent spelling and grammar!
'I am sorry you are going to loose your ride' - NO, they are going to LOSE their ride!
misst
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Can I add one more to upset everyone please?
Advice and Advise - drives me insane everytime I see them used wrongly - which is quite often.
Sorry!
Advice and Advise - drives me insane everytime I see them used wrongly - which is quite often.
Sorry!
molehill
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I havent looked at all the comments of this thread as i think the whole thread is a complete waste of time.
I never comment on threads like this,but feel the need to do so on this,as it is a matter close to my own heart.
Both my partner and my son can not spell very well,and both for different reason.Not because they are thick,or cant be bothered.
My partner is dyslexic and really struggles with his spellings.Yet he still manages to go on another forum,where he is accepted for who he is,and not one person has commented on his bad spelling.It can cause him alot of embarrasment.
My son was born with a speech problem,which he is still getting professional help for after 9 years of hard work.This means that because he can not pronounce his words correctly,he cant spell,which he finds frustrating.He gets bullied alot for this.
So before people slate/go on about spelling think of the reasons why there may be poor spelling on here.It may well be a disability.
Sorry rant over,but its a matter very close to my own heart.
I never comment on threads like this,but feel the need to do so on this,as it is a matter close to my own heart.
Both my partner and my son can not spell very well,and both for different reason.Not because they are thick,or cant be bothered.
My partner is dyslexic and really struggles with his spellings.Yet he still manages to go on another forum,where he is accepted for who he is,and not one person has commented on his bad spelling.It can cause him alot of embarrasment.
My son was born with a speech problem,which he is still getting professional help for after 9 years of hard work.This means that because he can not pronounce his words correctly,he cant spell,which he finds frustrating.He gets bullied alot for this.
So before people slate/go on about spelling think of the reasons why there may be poor spelling on here.It may well be a disability.
Sorry rant over,but its a matter very close to my own heart.
bensababy
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Agree with you on this, i have found several times that alot of people throw the dyslexic card out when they are criticised for their spelling. I am dyslexic and i find i try super hard to make sure my responses are readable. I will not use this as an excuse for my spelling. However the only type of posts that bug me are the text speak.
bensababy
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Can I add one more to upset everyone please?
Advice and Advise - drives me insane everytime I see them used wrongly - which is quite often.
Sorry!
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I am as guilty as sin for this. when typing/writing these words i struggle to find the correct one to use.
Can I add one more to upset everyone please?
Advice and Advise - drives me insane everytime I see them used wrongly - which is quite often.
Sorry!
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I am as guilty as sin for this. when typing/writing these words i struggle to find the correct one to use.
htobago
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Can I add one more to upset everyone please?
Advice and Advise - drives me insane everytime I see them used wrongly - which is quite often.
Sorry!
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I am as guilty as sin for this. when typing/writing these words i struggle to find the correct one to use.
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Advice is a noun. Advise is a verb. You give, or ask for, advice. You advise someone on what to do.
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Can I add one more to upset everyone please?
Advice and Advise - drives me insane everytime I see them used wrongly - which is quite often.
Sorry!
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I am as guilty as sin for this. when typing/writing these words i struggle to find the correct one to use.
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Advice is a noun. Advise is a verb. You give, or ask for, advice. You advise someone on what to do.