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Freshman - what is the qualification for the Derby?

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The qualification for the Derby is as follows :-

- The first 35 'prizewinners' in the Derby Trial

- Past winners of the Derby


So, if 35 or less start the Trial then they all qualify. Anyone can enter the Trial
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Freshman - what is the qualification for the Derby?

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The qualification for the Derby is as follows :-

- The first 35 'prizewinners' in the Derby Trial

- Past winners of the Derby


So, if 35 or less start the Trial then they all qualify. Anyone can enter the Trial
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Not the greatest of systems then!
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Good point The Voice - i remember RW's first ever derby - it was painful to watch. Infact im sure i still have it on video somewhere (ah the times before sky plus) horse stopped, he smacked about 3-4times, spun round within a stride, horse stopped again (well duh) smacked it another few times then held onto front end while jump was infront of it and dug in spurs.

Everyone learns from their mistakes.
 
I didn't see it, but from what I can gather the horse stopped, she smacked it and it reared up???

Also don't forget that different horses react in different ways to being smacked, my friends horse doesn't react at all when its been hit quite hard, but my horse will buck and/or rear when he has a little tap down the shoulder. It doesn't mean that I've hit him harder!
 
Also - in reply to those saying she hit it too late - well surely she was just trying to gain some control? Especially if this horse is known to react like that - which im sure it is, im sure thats not the first time its reared and had a hissy fit. Would have been a lot worse if she smacked it straight away when she didnt have balance and control - then the horse really would have gone over on her.
 
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Good point The Voice - i remember RW's first ever derby - it was painful to watch. Infact im sure i still have it on video somewhere (ah the times before sky plus) horse stopped, he smacked about 3-4times, spun round within a stride, horse stopped again (well duh) smacked it another few times then held onto front end while jump was infront of it and dug in spurs.

Everyone learns from their mistakes.

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Very true, RW did not have the best first time in the Derby, after the fence you are talking about the commontators expected him to retire but he carried on and I think the horses ended up IN the ditch at the end of the course due to another stop.
 
I saw it. The horse nearly went over backwards it reared up absolutely vertical
I think my comment here was "needs to do some work at home"
the use of the stick was justified the way in which it was used was not. the horse was treated quite roughly and I do wonder what happened once the horse was away from the cameras.
 
I'm not even gonna bother trying anymore. At the end of the day PD knows her horse - maybe i'm seeing this with totally different eyes but she hit the horse after she had gained control, probably knowing it would react badly (if she had smacked it straight away it really would have gone over backwards as unbalanced or maybe bolted). Then she PATTED the horse after the wall, yes PATTED it.
And the sawing on the mouth after, to me that was a person trying to stop her horse from going up again and make it work so it doesn't think its got away with it.

Would have done the exact same thing in that situation.

BTW this reply was to lemony
 
I think that the horse shouldn't have been in the event - the 'qualification' was merely 'cos she 'appeared' in the trial earlier on in the show - and didn't do well there - so perhaps horse wasn't ready for this event

the horse was stated to have an issue with ditches - so yes - you still must try and compete it in classes with ditches and presume some training/schooling has gone on at home - BUT there are 6 ditches out of a total of 20 jumping efforts on that course - so 30% of the course involves ditches - so in that regard perhaps a course of 15 efforts with one ditch may be more suitable until this problem has been solved.

the horse was wrong at the fence 2nd part and maybe would have jumped it had it not been a ditch but it didn't and put in a dirty stop - so it did need to be sorted and did go back and jump the fence on a better stride and get patted later

my issue tbh is with the sawing at mouth at the exit of the arena - now by the time she'd gotten to the exit the horse would have known that it was 'finished' in that class so why would PD have expected it to rear again - it hadn't reared en route from where it finally got eliminated to the exit, it had been in the arena before that week so knew that it was the exit

so my bigger issue is not with the horse being disciplined (I counted 2 hits but didn't see if the whip was right way up or not) but I don't like seeing horses that have had bad rounds jabbed and/or spurred in the collecting ring/arenaexit- that to me is pure rider temper/frustration being taken out on the horse as it is not anywhere near where any horse (or rider!!) error has occured in the round and it's already been discussed that the discipline should be applied as close in time and place as possible to the error
 
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And the sawing on the mouth after, to me that was a person trying to stop her horse from going up again and make it work so it doesn't think its got away with it.



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I mentioned the sawing on the mouth too, and if you tried that on a horse that is a rearer the most likely result is that it will flip up again, not keep it down........
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It was horrible to watch and certainly nothing to advocate.
She hit the horse in temper, I believe it stopped because she didn't have enough impulsion coming into the double and couldn't make the distance properly, thereby doing the sensible thing and stopping rather than crashing thro it. If it was really dirty, it wouldn't have gone the second time. Her mismanaged use of the whip unsettled the horse, and contributed to the round deteriorating.
But she is young, and will hopefully have learned from the experience.
 
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Just a thought, but if she was eliminated at the same ditch/fence the day before maybe she wanted to take the horse back in the ring to give it a bit of schooling over the same fence.

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Not the time to school infront of so many hundred thousand. She would have been better off to have had a quiet word with the organisers.
 
Is this incident available to see online? Also, how did the commentators react, just out of curiosity?

I remember watching Hickstead on TV about 15 years ago (an earlier class--not the Derby), when an Italian rider's horse panicked midway through the Devils' Dyke (cue rider whalloping the horse and Raymond Brooks-Ward saying, rather furiously, "Well, I think we've had quite enough of that!"

I am by no means an expert rider, but I did ride some absolute stinkers growing up, the majority of which were 500 quid liabilities from the local horse market. I can't remember ever using more than a light tap with a schooling whip/loads of leg/sheer bloodymindedness (a "bugger you, you're not throwing me off" type of mindset
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true, but would they have let her do you think? Especially with the ground as bad as it was.

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Perhaps not, when we run the point to point we always allow others to school around the course but who knows?
 
Interesting, I think did she hit it too late and as I've said before it is something that at one or another most people have done, just unfortunate after her previous comments on camera that the horse didn't like ditches. Did you see the pic of it in H&H?
 
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So because Amy knows LS inside out then she was the only one who was qualified to say whether she should pull up or not. Often the whole adrenalin, atmosphere e.t.c gets to someone and in a different situation they would react very differently.

How would you suggest Ben Maher should have reacted to his bay horse in the speed class when it stopped dead at the first fence? Wallop it so it stands up?

How do we know it was a dirty stop? I can't replay it but maybe it slid on the ground/stood on an overreach boot/something in the crowd caught its eye bla bla bla.




Im not gonna get myself in trouble but there is a reason why both Bens horses stopped in the derby and dont think that because he didnt smack it on telly that they wont of had a telling off since. Just remember everything is not always as it seems.
 
She was told by the selectors not to jump that hors ein the derby, she carried on and did it regardless, and from what i have been told has most certainley lost herself a place on the team.
 
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She was told by the selectors not to jump that hors ein the derby, she carried on and did it regardless, and from what i have been told has most certainley lost herself a place on the team.

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Sister Bing isnt her team horse - Utah is and she has been named on the European team, so dont think that is true.
 
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