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and some people are guilty of being too blase about things and assuming they know best.

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if that is aimed at me, you are way off the mark.
 
this is the funniest longest most pointless thread i think i've ever read on here i'm going to bed good luck coming to a conclusion on whos right dont think it'll ever happen but thank god by tomorrow when i come on this will be on page 2 well fingers crossed goodnight everyone have fun going round in circles!
 
You're probably right. And no dog should be left at home all day while owners work. No child should be shoved in childcare for longer than an adult is allowed to work under the working time directive each day. No-one should die for want of clean water.
Now. Where shall we start?
 
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JM07 - My point was that you came on hear to moan about how we all over feed and rug blah blah blah but yet you didnt tell us what you did with your horses to back up your complaint.

So hence I said now we know a little bit about you! you cannot have ago at everyone on this forum without us having the chance to get an insight into how you look after yours.

Lillie07 Hi!!!!!

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no, i came on here to question why some horse/pony owners thought their animals had human traits............
 
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You're probably right. And no dog should be left at home all day while owners work. No child should be shoved in childcare for longer than an adult is allowed to work under the working time directive each day. No-one should die for want of clean water.
Now. Where shall we start?

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a few valid topics...start where you'd feel comfortable...
 
I agree they do all need turnout, and if I had the choice I would have my TB out 24/7 but finding suitable grass liveries in my area that also have facilities to school my horse are well hard to come buy so he is living in at night with add lib hay and spends all day in the field with his buddies.
 
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no horse/pony should have less than a minimum of at least daylight hours turnout per day in the winter.....

it's wrong.

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No its not. I'm off to bed, this is getting stupid.
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can i ask how you treat your horses then??

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as i replied further up thread...apparently badly!
 
I totally agree OVER rugging/ feeding etc is as bad as not feeding but you seem to now be taking a different line to your OP! Or you worded as you did to start this debate?!
 
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no horse/pony should have less than a minimum of at least daylight hours turnout per day in the winter.....

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So you really, truly believe that?
I disagree - if horses are used to being stabled - they are very unhappy being turned out in rough weather. We see really rough weather here on Exmoor and I know my horses are unhappy if they are turned out in it. Like you say - it 's what they adapt to.
 
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no horse/pony should have less than a minimum of at least daylight hours turnout per day in the winter.....

it's wrong.

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I joined this debate thinking you sounded a bit of a tw@t
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and now find I'm echoing your thoughts
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i've had several TB's...clipped out/rugged up and living out 24/7.......

not a problem.......

same with welshies/WB's/connies/Selles Francais/fell/dales...

list is endless....they all adapt 100%

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Agree...my 19yr old full TB lives out.
She gets three handfuls of 16+ morning and night...and the rest of her diet is forage.
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Agree!

Mine are out all year round too, they were covered in icicles last night, but they will live, they are unclipped, rugged and have ad lib haylege out there.


One is a poor doer, the other is 19, the 19yr old WB gets no hard feed other than a token handful, the poor doer gets about 1/4 of what he is 'recommended'.

Too many people give their horse X,Y, and Z because they 'think' it will benefit them, obviously some supplements are of benefit, but in a LOT of cases, people just buy it because they have seen a nice ad for the product it seems!
 
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no horse/pony should have less than a minimum of at least daylight hours turnout per day in the winter.....

it's wrong.

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No its not. I'm off to bed, this is getting stupid.
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why isnt it wrong???

it would be like being in a room the size of an average bathroom for a minimum of 16 hours per day...it would certainly drive ME bonkers...
 
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no horse/pony should have less than a minimum of at least daylight hours turnout per day in the winter.....

it's wrong.

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In your opinion, which of course you are entitled to. But I choose to disagree.
 
I don't actually see the great amount of difference between how you keep yours and how most people keep them....
If you breed a native breed it makes sense you don't feed concentrates...
 
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I don't actually see the great amount of difference between how you keep yours and how most people keep them....
If you breed a native breed it makes sense you don't feed concentrates...

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never bred anything in my life.....

by everything in.....as per reply further up the thread...
 
[quoteToo many people give their horse X,Y, and Z because they 'think' it will benefit them, obviously some supplements are of benefit, but in a LOT of cases, people just buy it because they have seen a nice ad for the product it seems!

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That is awfully patronising. Why do you assume that people don't give full thought to what they feed to their horses? Which people? How do you know they are so much less bright than you?
Whilst I agree that 'general' additives can be a bit pointless, I doubt they do any harm.
I don't think people are qualified to come down one way or the other regards to supplements unless they test their soil and are aware of what minerals and trace elements may be lacking.
The last hundred years or so of agricultural activity has laid waste to the nutrient content of our soil, and turning a horse out on grass which may be totally devoid of the nutrition it requires in the name of 'being natural' is every bit as empty headed as feeding it the stuff in the nicest colour bag.
 
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no horse/pony should have less than a minimum of at least daylight hours turnout per day in the winter.....

it's wrong.

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I joined this debate thinking you sounded a bit of a tw@t
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that'll be the drink!
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no horse/pony should have less than a minimum of at least daylight hours turnout per day in the winter.....

it's wrong.

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In your opinion, which of course you are entitled to. But I choose to disagree.

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that is what a good old chat is about...differing opinions...
 
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no horse/pony should have less than a minimum of at least daylight hours turnout per day in the winter.....

it's wrong.

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No its not. I'm off to bed, this is getting stupid.
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why isnt it wrong???

it would be like being in a room the size of an average bathroom for a minimum of 16 hours per day...it would certainly drive ME bonkers...

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Now you are completely contredicting yourself for your OP... To quote

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thinking that horses/ponies "think" like humans..

a horse/pony just gets "on with it"....

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"it would be like being in a room the size of an average bathroom for a minimum of 16 hours per day...it would certainly drive ME bonkers... "

Anthropomorphism?

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either that a small hatchback ...seing as cars have been mentioned also!
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If we think about it logically, if all x million horse owners had enough grazing for their horse (and we'll average that at two horses per person, making three acres) 24/7 or for at least an hour a day in winter (including in the soggy wet rain, snow etc) how many acres of land would be needed??

It's not always possible or feasable to turn out in winter. If it's soggy wet I'll keep horse in, simply because if I turned out daily I would have no grazing left come spring and would still be feeding hay in june.. I do, however, exercise daily, graze inhand, amd ensure that if not daily turnout, then every other day...
Our horse has been used to 24/7 living and has coped admirably well with what we have to offer.

Buisness horses are totally different to private 'pets'. I treat our horses like babies at times, we call night rugs PJ's, buy treats to hang up in the stable, buy pony nuts so they get 'tea', and spend hours groooming.

Horses at work are viewed as herd animals, and bar coming in for the farrier or to work, are left to be horses. A couple come in at night because they drop weight, and those being shown are rugged, but bar that they're out in the field, naked, in all weathers and cope very well. And they're all well adjusted, well mannered animals.
 
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why isnt it wrong???

it would be like being in a room the size of an average bathroom for a minimum of 16 hours per day...it would certainly drive ME bonkers...

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OK, as I'm still up 'cause I can't resist a debate, its not wrong because there are lots of contented horses stood in stables, especially at this time of year when everywhere's frozen. Its not wrong because lots of horses have lived their whole lives with limited turnout, know no different and haven't gone at all bonkers. Its not wrong because here and in lots of other countries horses often have limited or no turnout and if it were that psychologically traumatic for the horses they would have shown much more serious signs of ill health/dementia before now.

Its not IDEAL although life very rarely is and your own management arrangement would not be ideal for some of the ponies I look after, the cushingoid laminitics for example. I just don't think things are as black and white as you like to sum them up. 'My way is right and everyone else's here is wrong' is always a perspective that's going to rub people up the wrong way.
 
so, a highland at hunting fitness shouldnt be fed concentrates because it might give it laminitis?

I would rather hope someone with native in full fitness would have the knowledge and experience to not feed it 6 scoops of oats and sugarbeet a day
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