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You still havent told me, do you keep them out? ride them? ect ect.

You seem to judge us people who as far as I can see look after and care for their horses , that it would be intresting to see how you who judge us look after yours. Not so that we can judge you but as you obviously feel so strongly about it it me be interesting to hear what you do rather than just hear what you disagree with.

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i keep mine out/in/out...whatever is needed..

they DONT have supps...rarely fed, are rugged only if clipped, receive hay when temps drop below -1 and are as happy as larry...

i show mostly....in-hand/ridden local/county/breed shows

never return without a rossette.

all good to hack/lead/load/shoe/clip....

never sick or sorry....vet comes to geld/tet/sedate for wolf teeth removal and nothing else touch wood!

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But thats great if you have native ponies - as I say the Exmoors here live out all year, completely wild and look fantastic all year round. But this does not suit my TB x and her needs are catered for differently. It doesn't mean I think she is human just because she needs stabling, rugging and feeding.

So would you say all top competitor yards are over spoiling their horses by feeding them and keeping them in because they feel a person would live happier that way?
 
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you have to take into account circumstance... some people who dearly love their horses just can't facilitate a 'natural' life style for their horses... and that is something the horses adapt to

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Some people aren't interested in whether their horses are happy or not.
I do think everyone can try to make their horse's lives more fulfilling for them....though.
And not all horses do adapt - think of stereotypies, gastric ulcers etc.
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i've had several TB's...clipped out/rugged up and living out 24/7.......

not a problem.......

same with welshies/WB's/connies/Selles Francais/fell/dales...

list is endless....they all adapt 100%
 
Seriously, I spend quite some time trying to compensate for the inadequacies in the way mine have to live on a fundamental level - no regular winter turnout so try to give them roomy boxes/changes of scene/varied exercise and enough food to keep them occupied but not fat.

I don't see them as humans, know that their needs are basic and not prioritised in the order most would imagine - but love them dearly all the same.

I'd sooner people dressed them up - for want of a better phrase - and babied them with cuddles and kisses than fed them to the point of laminitis. Good horsemanship (ie proper bedding/feeding/exercise and routine) only serves to ameliorate their lives as it is founded on fundamental facts about equids.
Really good horsemen know when exceptions to the rule need addressing - like an extra rug/supplement or total management overhaul. And when to let go - responsibly and in promptly.

Does it matter if folks get a bit soppy whilst doing this - or have I missed the point?
 
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everyone has theyre own lifestyle, correct me if im wrong,
but why is there alot of comments on how people treat horses, surely being over the top if better that another jamie grey story?

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horse abuse comes in different guises.................

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Are you for real?!! When did caring become a form of abuse?! Lets stop feeding our clearly domesticated non native ponies and see what happens......
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i've had several TB's...clipped out/rugged up and living out 24/7.......

not a problem.......

same with welshies/WB's/connies/Selles Francais/fell/dales...

list is endless....they all adapt 100%

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Agree...my 19yr old full TB lives out.
She gets three handfuls of 16+ morning and night...and the rest of her diet is forage.
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We think we traced all April's behavioural problems to when she was on limited turnout (an hour a day).

she is much happier with lots of turnout. She is out as often as possible.

She is only ridden a few times a week so she has her neck and girth area clipped - that's all. She is turned out without a rug whenever possible.

She is 22 so I give her a veteran supplement in the wintertime but in the summer she has been doing very well on the grass!

I like to buy her things and she has all matchy, matchy gear but she's not going to care about that. that's just for me, it's my only hobby, I work hard and i will spend my money on whatever I want
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I think you have hit the nail on the head here - it's what they adapt to.

I am sure that if my horse had to live out 24/7 she would adapt to it. However as all three of mine are desperately waiting at the gate to come in at 5 o'clock its because they waiting for their dinner, warm stable and hay.

Its horses for courses - we all keep our horses differently and I think that there is really no wrong or right as long as the horse if happy and healthy.
 
JM07 Can I ask three questions?
1) Do you believe you could event a horse who was out in the conditions you describe, and if not, is eventing therefore morally wrong?
2) You say you would never buy a horse if you weren't able to keep it in that way - but what about all the horses who simply are not adapted to live in that way - either because of breed, age, infirmity, or some other limitation. Do you believe there is no such thing as a horse who should be in and rugged?
3) With regard to supplements, do you regularly have your grassland tested to ensure that the mineral balance therein is adequate and appropriate for horses? Much land these days is depleted and inadequate as a source of minerals for all livestock, not to mention plants.
 
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everyone has theyre own lifestyle, correct me if im wrong,
but why is there alot of comments on how people treat horses, surely being over the top if better that another jamie grey story?

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Are you for real?!! When did caring become a form of abuse?! Lets stop feeding our clearly domesticated non native ponies and see what happens......
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overfeeding over rugging horses/ponies IS abuse whether YOU like it or not......

so are YOU for real???
 
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Fair comment ...

Over fed, over stabled, over gadgeted etc tends to go hand in hand with behavioural problems .

It's all a learning curve to me , I hope I get it spot on one day !
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OMG - I am replying to my own thread!!

Just wanted to add that some of us don't have the luxury of turn out 24/7, at my yard - where I am in sole control - I cannot turn out horses if the ground is particularly wet (a lot this year) and therefore my horses have to adapt to living in stables whether they like it or not
 
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i've had several TB's...clipped out/rugged up and living out 24/7.......

not a problem.......

same with welshies/WB's/connies/Selles Francais/fell/dales...

list is endless....they all adapt 100%

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Will second the Welshy...mine lived out pretty much all year 2006/2007 fully clipped and just rugged with some hay. He was out with a Connemara who was unclipped in a LW all year. They were happy as larry and even when we had solid ice and snow, mine was too hot in a HW rug even fully clipped.

I can see where JM is coming from...I actually had serious words with the people who loan my Welsh D now about the fact they had him in a HW (400g + rug) when it was 13C and he was unclipped, in at night!!!! He was obese and I've told them (and checking regularly) he must be out unrugged, LW at most, if they aren't clipping, and ideally out 24/7 as he's too fat.

So you can kill a pony with kindness...
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I want acre's of land, loads of rugs, a field shelter and to not to be at a livery yard!!!
Then I could keep my TB's out 24/7 and not bother with the expense and time on mucking out, feeding supplements, and changing rugs to give them what they need to cope with the life that they've had since they were born.
In the mean time I'll post on HHO for advice and a chat
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i've had several TB's...clipped out/rugged up and living out 24/7.......

not a problem.......

same with welshies/WB's/connies/Selles Francais/fell/dales...

list is endless....they all adapt 100%

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Agree...my 19yr old full TB lives out.
She gets three handfuls of 16+ morning and night...and the rest of her diet is forage.
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Yes well , my 29 year old full TB still lived out (albeit with unfettered access to her stable/shelter) , beat that
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Forage, forage, forage = a happy horse
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p.s I'm pished so appologise for any grammatical mistakes tonight
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Ha ha I have Catnip the Car
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Wish I could find my pic of my kitten sitting looking at my comp monitor.

All horses are different and having one hard rule which you impose on your horse with no consideration re individual needs can be very unkind. My WB had never been turned out before I got him. First few weeks he hated it and stood at the gate calling and hoping someone would take pity on him and bring him in. He now goes out about 8 hours per day in a small, stable herd and is very happy with that. I do not think he would be happy out 24/7 as he sleeps a lot and particulalrly likes lying down on a soft, dry surface which would not be possible being out 24/7. My first pony however hated being inside and would have been unhappy being in at all. I catered to both of their indvidual needs and both were/are happy. However, in some cases there does need to be compromise on both sides. After all, if I have to work 8 hours a day in a job I hate in order to afford him its a pretty poor show if my he can't work one hour a day, come in at night and wear a rug to keep him clean!
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Unless the weather is particularly bad (snow/thunderstorm/heavy, heavy rain/flooding, as we had this summer in horrendous amounts) then she lives out with a turnout rug. She copes without a rug in the stable. I keep her as naturally as I can. When we had miniature shetlands they were out all year round & only needed occasional hay.

All natives but all different requirements. I go by how healthy my horse looks, not on whims.
 
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JM07 Can I ask three questions?
1) Do you believe you could event a horse who was out in the conditions you describe, and if not, is eventing therefore morally wrong?
YES, A HORSE CAN BE EASILY COMPETED FROM THE FIELD......CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT ISNT THERE A DRESSAGE RIDER WHO COMPETES ALL HERS FROM THE FIELD?
2) You say you would never buy a horse if you weren't able to keep it in that way - but what about all the horses who simply are not adapted to live in that way - either because of breed, age, infirmity, or some other limitation. Do you believe there is no such thing as a horse who should be in and rugged?
ALL HORSES/PONIES SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO SHELTER.. I PREFER MINE TO LIVE OUT 24/7..IF I WAS NOT ABLE TO GIVE THEM THE OPTION OF DECENT TURNOUT, THE NO, I WOULDNT OWN A HORSE
3) With regard to supplements, do you regularly have your grassland tested to ensure that the mineral balance therein is adequate and appropriate for horses? Much land these days is depleted and inadequate as a source of minerals for all livestock, not to mention plants.

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JM07 - My point was that you came on hear to moan about how we all over feed and rug blah blah blah but yet you didnt tell us what you did with your horses to back up your complaint.

So hence I said now we know a little bit about you! you cannot have ago at everyone on this forum without us having the chance to get an insight into how you look after yours.

Lillie07 Hi!!!!!
 
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JM07 Can I ask three questions?
1) Do you believe you could event a horse who was out in the conditions you describe, and if not, is eventing therefore morally wrong?
YES, A HORSE CAN BE EASILY COMPETED FROM THE FIELD......CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT ISNT THERE A DRESSAGE RIDER WHO COMPETES ALL HERS FROM THE FIELD?
2) You say you would never buy a horse if you weren't able to keep it in that way - but what about all the horses who simply are not adapted to live in that way - either because of breed, age, infirmity, or some other limitation. Do you believe there is no such thing as a horse who should be in and rugged?
ALL HORSES/PONIES SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO SHELTER.. I PREFER MINE TO LIVE OUT 24/7..IF I WAS NOT ABLE TO GIVE THEM THE OPTION OF DECENT TURNOUT, THE NO, I WOULDNT OWN A HORSE
3) With regard to supplements, do you regularly have your grassland tested to ensure that the mineral balance therein is adequate and appropriate for horses? Much land these days is depleted and inadequate as a source of minerals for all livestock, not to mention plants.

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I don't think you are taking into account all the hundreds of horse owners who do not have those facilities.

If you could just stop and think that not everyone has this option you would realise why some horses have to be stabled.
 
no horse/pony should have less than a minimum of at least daylight hours turnout per day in the winter.....

it's wrong.
 
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