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Hi guys,
I just wanted to have a little chat really.
I have 2 Patterdale Terriers both boys, both lovable little things.
Marley loves all other dogs and Diesel tolerates other dogs, usually more interested in sticks or toys on a walk than sniffing new friends! He'll just completely blank them!
But when we were out walking yesterday Marley went trotting over to say hello to 2 dogs, Diesel saw him go over and ran over at top speed.
I was actually quite pleased that he was socialising with other dogs when I heard a commotion. On closer look Diesel was snapping and really going for the other dog!
I couldn't believe it, totally unprovoked.
I ran over and the owner of the other dog was kicking Diesel and trying to get him away from his dog.
Quite rightly he was rather angry, I apologised over and over again and explained that he wasn't normally like that. Even offered to pay to get his dog checked over.
He just kept saying that he was disgusted and that Diesel was out of control.
I am so worried about taking him out around other dogs now, and thinking he should be muzzled or something to be on the safe side.
Has anything like this ever happened to anyone else before either your dog being attacked or the attacker??
Thanks.
 
Simple - keep your dogs on a lead in public places. I am sick to death of mine being harried, bitten, snapped at by loose dogs with the owner saying "oh he / she has never done that before". I have a large breed IF any retaliated, which they never have done - yet - little fluffy would be history.

We have 11 dogs, some fantastic off lead and are obedience trained, most have their KC good citizens. I still respect other dog owners and keep them on a lead at all times in public places. The only exception is on the odd beach when I can see for a long way that there is not another soul around. And it someone does appear they are back on their leads in a flash.
 
Get serious. You keep your dogs on the lead at all times except occasionally at the beach? And only some are fantastic off the lead? What are you talking about? You are telling me that your dogs never go off the lead to socialise with other dogs? What nonsense. Dogs need to have the opportunity to play with other dogs, regardless if you have 1, 11 or 50 dogs.

I'm sick of people who take their dogs to large, open spaces where others like to run their dogs and then complain when other dogs come up and say hello. Let the dogs get on with it, if one steps out of line another will put it in its place, thats dogs. I feel immensely sorry for your billy-no-mates hounds.
 

i agree - to an extent. If you are going to let your dog off the lead in a public place then you should not let it go over to dogs that are ON the lead as you did. If yours is off the lead then you should have the control to keep it close to you if needs be and have a reliable recall.

i wouldnt dream of taking any of my 6 dogs to a public open space and letting them off 'to socialise' - too many idiotic and irresponsible owners. My dogs run free every day in our own fields and on the beach, but id never let them approach other dogs we dont know.

On the other hand if we are walking with friends or are at a show exercising and we know the dogs its a free for all:)
 
I own a large breed too and nothing is more infuriating than dogs coming up to mine when they are on lead. OP if Diesel had a go at my GSD bitches and they retaliated and bit him, guess whose dogs would be accused of being dangerous dogs. It is only courtesy to keep your dogs under control/on lead when you are around other dogs. Mine do go off lead in public places, but if there are other dogs about I will put them back on lead. They socialise with other dogs, but only dogs who I know and whose temperaments I know.
Blazing saddles, its all very well sayiing let dogs get on with it, but if a small dog starts a fight with a large one it is usually the large one who will win, in which case at best vets fees would be involved, at worse a dead dog.
OP I don't think you need to keep your dogs muzzled, just be aware of what may happen and if in doubt pop them on lead.
 
Lets get this into perspective. Did your dog cause any damage to the other dog - no. Terriers make a hell of a lot noise when they get into to a tussle and thats what is was, just a load of noise. The problem is owners. The slightest tussle or noise between dogs and they start wetting their pants. Its ridiculous. The thing is your boy got the hump because his pal was introducing himself to a stranger, without consulting him! Don't sweat it, just be aware that Diesel isn't keen on his pal making new friends.
 
TBH, if a dog of mine went up to another, all guns a blazin and got a nip I would praise the lord. What better than one dog teaching another a lesson.
 
I have a (much improved) dog aggressive dog when he is on lead and I couldn't forgive myself if he took a pop at another dog off-lead.

I have done tonnes of work with him but he only gets to play with other dogs that he has been carefully introduced to and gets on with.
He is only off lead in our field and in areas where I can see there are no other dogs or people approaching.

He is also of a breed other people can sometimes be scared of so I make sure he is on a lead and behaving - for the good of the reputation of the breed as a whole, not running up to who he likes or what he likes.
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Some people don't want a GSD charging up to them or their dogs!!! Whether he is nice or not.

Sorry BS, I am with Harkback. I have a large dog capable of doing a lot of damage, I have no idea how he will react to a strange dog off lead these days, maybe he would be fine but I am NOT going to take the chance with someone else's pet.
Does that mean he needs to be muzzled or PTS? No, it means I keep him under my control at all times.

If he is not reliable at recall I think Diesel should be on a long line in areas where he can meet other dogs until it is sorted.

Imagine if the OPs, or yours BS went in all guns blazing to a dog like mine used to be before I got him sorted
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Very rarely do true dog fights occur. The dogs number one priority is survival. He knows to enter into a fight with a stronger, fitter opponent is pointless.
 
Fair enough if the nipped dogs owner takes that view, but believe me many wouldn't, not sure what breed you have but GSD owners always get the blame.
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As an example, recently I keep meeting a couple with a basset when walking mine , on the road so all on lead. This basset has on each occasion lunged at mine growling as we pass. My younger bitch has been very good and a warning from me has kept her under control and quiet. The other day we met the basset just as we rounded a corner, it dragged its owner over to us barking and growling, and caught me unawares and Evie had a woof at it. She didn't get within a couple of yards of it but you would have thought she had chewed it up and spat out the pieces from the owners reaction. They glared at me and as I walked on were fussing their dog and appeared to be checking it over for injuries.
 

We have 11 dogs, some fantastic off lead and are obedience trained, most have their KC good citizens. I still respect other dog owners and keep them on a lead at all times in public places. The only exception is on the odd beach when I can see for a long way that there is not another soul around. And it someone does appear they are back on their leads in a flash.

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This was what I was originally objecting to. If Harkbacks dogs are fantastic off-lead etc etc why the hell can't they have a run around with other dogs. Over protective mummy by any chance.

I do not disagree with keeping aggressive dogs on the lead, I have one - nicknamed The Slayer - she doesn't go off the lead in public places.
 
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Very rarely do true dog fights occur. The dogs number one priority is survival. He knows to enter into a fight with a stronger, fitter opponent is pointless.

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- i've witnessed many.
 
That rubbish.

Often small dogs are seriously injured because their owners let them run up to dogs when they shouldn't!

Small dogs have no idea of their size and i have personally seen some killed because they ran up to a dog that was on a leash.

I think it os very very very irresponsible to let a dog run upto another dog that is on the leash and i get very cross when it happens.

Thats fine if you don't mind dogs running up to your dogs but have some respect and keep yours under control for other peoples sake.
 
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Very rarely do true dog fights occur. The dogs number one priority is survival. He knows to enter into a fight with a stronger, fitter opponent is pointless.

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Think we'll have to agree to disagree there, yes true dog fights are probably more often between dogs who live together than "strangers", but I have seen plenty of fights between dogs who have never met before. And little dogs (particularly terriers) tend to think they are bigger than they are in my experience and show no regard to the stronger, fitter opponent rule.
 
What? You've seen small dogs been killed? Where? Honestly, I have walked my dogs and other peoples for over 30 years and I have never seen a dog killed by another. What waffle.
 
Sadly yes I have seen a small dog killed, at a show where you would imagine dogs would be well socialised. A cocky little chihuahua who thought he could sort out a much bigger dog (not a GSD), wasn't even a fight, just one bite and shake and little dogs neck was broken.
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Have heard of other cases too, including one reported in our local paper recently a yorkie killed by a "pit bull type".
 
I have seen a number and actually as ashamed to admit it as i am my old dog killed 2 small dogs in the space of 30 seconds. He has never shown any aggression to anyone or anything before. He is no longer with us.
 
Look, don't get me wrong, dog fights occur and dogs may die as a result, but they are very rare and this over-protectiveness of dogs is doing the dog no favours.

I have not advocated dogs to be running off lead if they are known to be aggressive.
 
But if yours is friendly but does not recall and runs up to mine - and yes, I do warn people he is iffy about his personal space - then what?

I am all for dogs being dogs but like I say, I do not want to take chances with someone else's dog if he does not know them and takes offence.

ETA - actually, forget that, you would be glad for him to get a bop on the nose or wherever
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I know my fella has been put back in his box before now, and from laydees to boot
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So you've seen two. Seen ' a number'. What you have to realise is that, yes, dogs can kill dogs, but it is a very rare occurrance. How long have you've been on HHO forum? How many posts have been made regarding a members dog killing another dog? There are millions of domesticated dogs on this planet and a very small percentage will die as a result of dog fighting.
 
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Your dogs will be more than welcome to have a pop at The Slayer and you are more than welcome to give her a boot at the a..e if needs be.
 

well - yes, ok i have known of 2 instances where dogs have been killed. but i have known of many, many more where dogs (and people, when they have foolishly tried to intervene) have been seriously injured, too many to list, sadly.
 
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So you've seen two. Seen ' a number'. What you have to realise is that, yes, dogs can kill dogs, but it is a very rare occurrance. How long have you've been on HHO forum? How many posts have been made regarding a members dog killing another dog? There are millions of domesticated dogs on this planet and a very small percentage will die as a result of dog fighting.

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Allow me to add the number I have see to the number KatieLou has seen - I have known of a dobermann which lived with CKCS, snapped at one in a completely out of character way, and had the cavaliers eye out. I know a pack of whippets who have chased and killed a CKCS. I have seen my own greyhounds and lurchers on two occasions when I have not been guarded enough grab a small fluffy dog - thank God I was able to intervene quickly enough or that would have been another two to add to the statistics
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I dont usually disagree with you blazingsaddles but I strongly do about this - not everyone shares your approach to dogs interacting with each other, and whilst I will never agree with what harkback has to say
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I do think that dog owners need to be responsible enough to keep control of their animals in a public place so that they do not harrass other dogs.

And yes, my three greyhounds DO stay on the lead in a public place, they are also exercised off the lead twice a day as a minimum both in the fields where I live and in the local wood which is also a nature reserve, as I am confident in both those situations that we will not meet other dog walkers
 
I let my dogs run at the dog park with dogs i don't know because i trust that the dogs there will be friendly.

I would never let my dog run up to a dog out and about that was on the lead.

Its horribly disrespectful.
 
I think if your dog plays nicely, and other owners have off-lead dogs then let them get on with it and have a play. I wouldn't let Henry charge up to a dog on the lead, but I don't obsessively haul him back every time another dog comes into view either
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As someone who's 5 month old puppy got attacked a couple of weeks ago I think you should think very carefully. My pup was already off the lead and 2 girls came around the corner and let their dog off the lead, he then proceeded to attack my pup, who luckily got away before physically injured and then the girls said "sorry, he's got dog issues!". I was too shocked to say anything

I now have a puppy who is terrified of any dog bigger than him, coming up to him faster than a walk, if it starts bouncing (playfully) or worst still barks, he is running away screaming. He was a confident, happy, polite puppy before this incident. I am now having to organsie through my dog trainer some sessions to help him get over this. Last week he was so scared of 3 big dogs playing near him, I thought he was gonna run home.

So I think you should think about this really hard. I personally don't think he should be off lead around other dogs for a while, or he should be muzzled. Sorry, people may not agree, but when you're on the other side and now have a big issue.... Can you organise to go on a walk with some dogs he doesn't know as well to try and socialise him some more? There is a dog with issues at the dog training club I go to, maybe you consult a professional. You know you dog has dog issues and you need to be responsible which I know you want to be.
 
Approximately 400,000,000 dogs in the world and so far the grand total of dogs killed by other dogs experienced by other posts is 5. We have a crisis.

Stop kidding yourselves that dogs are completely domesticated. They will argue, they will bicker, they may have the odd pop at each other, but in the scheme of things dog on dog deaths are rare..................... and will probably be even rarer in a few years because no 'responsible dog owner' will ever let their dogs socialise with others.
 
I really dont get your approach to this
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So are you saying it is OK if two dogs have a massive fight, but neither of them actually die
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ETA - and of course we wouldnt have known many dogs which have been killed in dog fights on the forum, we are responsible dog owners who do not let our dogs hassled other dogs when out walking so avoid the confrontational situations which lead to fights
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Having witnessed a fair few fights (my own bitch on my mothers, nearly took her throat out) my mother's male taking his own son's eye out (it was popped back in by the vet
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