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Don't want to make an idiot of myself on t'internet but I need to reply on a facebook query with a knowledgable answer.

So, I merely mentioned in a post 'if you do buy a crossbreed (with a new-fangled name) blah blah blah' (it was in a post trying to suggest a rescue pup to a facebook friend).

Someone has took a bit of umbrage to the term new-fangled and claimed that the cockapoo has been around since 1960 and are an acknowledged breed by the kennel club.

I was totally unaware of this, and willing to be educated but can't find anything on google to verify the kennel club bit, and that the terms cockapoo are generally american, with cockerpoo (uk) and spoodles (australia) also being used.

Anyone help?
 
CaveCanem said:
The Cockapoo/Cockerpoo is not a breed recognised by the Kennel Club in the UK, no.
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ah, but she used the term acknowledged. But even then i can only find reference to it in a 'designer-dogs' article on the kc web page, and to be careful when selecting cross breeds. :confused:
 
They are not acknowledged by any reputable kennel club but there are scam registries that will make up papers for them. The same registries will make up papers for your big toe if you send them their fee.
You can register one on the KC activity register the same as any mutt. They are not a breed anywhere.

The cross has been done in the USA for a while but that is always an American cocker x poodle and they are not a breed.

The only name for one is Barnum - PT Barnum is famous for saying "there is a sucker born every minute"
 
s4sugar said:
They are not acknowledged by any reputable kennel club but there are scam registries that will make up papers for them. The same registries will make up papers for your big toe if you send them their fee.
You can register one on the KC activity register the same as any mutt. They are not a breed anywhere.

The cross has been done in the USA for a while but that is always an American cocker x poodle and they are not a breed.

The only name for one is Barnum - PT Barnum is famous for saying "there is a sucker born every minute"
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That's interesting, thank you. I have responded on facebook with this

You've got me stumped there. Where are they acknowledged, I can't find any reference to it? And yes, the american spaniel x poodle has been a popular breed cross since the 60's in America so google tells me. You learn something new every day :) . You have to admit though, there are a lot of crazy names being made up in the last few years, all to add a few (hundred sometimes) quid on the price of a pup. I have no qualms with what people breed, as long as they do it properly, considering/improving the life long health of the resulting pups. Breeding should not be a money spinner, and sadly for many it is :(


I'm just waiting for the hybrid vigour argument to be brought out now.....
 
CaveCanem said:
What does 'acknowledged' mean? It doesn't really mean anything. I acknowledge that there is a cup of tea sitting next to me.
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I have a coffee here. We should breed your tea with my coffee, in order to create a beverage with hybrid vigour. We could call it a 'toffee' and sell it for £500 a cup.
 
CaveCanem said:
I now have coffee all over my keyboard. Thankies!!!!
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That's probably due to it having been an inbred, unhealthily liquid pedigree beverage. A 'toffee' would have been more viscous, and therefore would have had more chance of remaining in place.

RIP coffee:(
 
Spudlet said:
That's probably due to it having been an inbred, unhealthily liquid pedigree beverage. A 'toffee' would have been more viscous, and therefore would have had more chance of remaining in place.

RIP coffee:(
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Surely viscous would describe the buyers of your pedigree toffees?
 
This is class. I am selling so many toffees, cofkeys and feeboards I will never have to work again. I've already ordered a new conservatory. Don't tell Mr Taxman!!!!
 
s4sugar said:
Surely viscous would describe the buyers of your pedigree toffees?
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:mad:How dare you insult my discerning purchasers! They have seen through your pedigree beverage snobbery, and understand that hybrid vigour has negated any need for health testing or any of that wasteful, boring stuff:mad:

However I can tell you that my 'toffees' will come with full 1 generation pedigrees and will be registered with the official Toffee Club of Great Britain. I am the premier (ie only) toffee breeder in the country you know, so I obviously founded and run the club myself, but it's all very official with headed paper and a website and everything, and I expect to gain a second club member any day now. Aaaany day now.

Anyway I don't have to put up with all this, when Wikipedia clearly states that I am right! I think you are all horrible:( I'm LEAVING!
 
Toffees are too close bred, I heard you are breeding the ma's da to the cousin's brother! Shameful!
I'm all about the Feeboards now, woohoo!


#Money money money money.....
 
CaveCanem said:
Toffees are too close bred, I heard you are breeding the ma's da to the cousin's brother! Shameful!
I'm all about the Feeboards now, woohoo!


#Money money money money.....
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Yeah, but.... yeah, but... errrr.....

HYBRID VIGOUR! That makes it ok:p
 
Anyone who joins your "Toffee Club of Great Britain" won't be allowed to join my group -The International Toffee Society after all we TITS can't let just anyone in on the dosh, sorry, new designer breed.
 
CaveCanem said:
Toffees are too close bred, I heard you are breeding the ma's da to the cousin's brother! Shameful!
I'm all about the Feeboards now, woohoo!


#Money money money money.....
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Good choice! Just be aware that there is copyright due on the names "Cofkey" and "Feeboard" and any/all derivatives of same which amounts to a minimum of 50% of all sales.
 
So if it is a Coffee x Keyboard is is a Cofkey and a Keyboard x Coffee it is a Feeboard.
Gotcha.
Females incur an extra £200 on purchase price as they are extra speyshully speyshull and have reproductive organs = more money.
Krazy Kolors (mocha, cappuchino, latte - not brown, light brown and tan as opposed to normal brown, don't be silly!) incur an extra £300.

I will pay a small fee (buns) if someone can help me come up with a snappy breed registry name.
 
trina1982 said:
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Someone has took a bit of umbrage to the term new-fangled and claimed that the cockapoo has been around since 1960 and are an acknowledged breed by the kennel club.

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Anyone help?
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As far as I'm aware, for a breed to be recognised by the KC, the parents of that breed would themselves need to be of that type. In other words, for a Cockerpoo to be registered, both parents would need to also be Cockerpoos. Breed Registration would not be granted to any puppies which had a Cocker Spaniel on one side, and a Poodle (assuming that that's how they're bred) on the other.

There would also be the question, and with first crosses, it's highly unlikely that even repeat matings with subsequent litters, that there would be any degree of uniformity. Then we can consider the mating protocol, with the choice of either breed being either the sire or the dam, you can see the lunacy of your FB friend's statement! Tell her that she's talking through her derriere!

Alec.
 
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