Reprimanding- Discussion

I was taught the natural way with horses 7 years ago in the USA...It was brill...I had to ride a really stroppy, nappy and horrible 15.2hh quarter horse who would rear if she didnt want to do something...Obviously I was taught how to act in that situation and also taught how to behave around troubled horses....I dont always think Paralli helps everyone one and I havent used it but the way I work, works because I was taught properly....
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no, you're teaching them if they plant themselves then you'll get off.

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Your opinion!!
My opinion...experience tells me I'm not..........

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Okay, scenario: you've got a horse who hasnt been taught well. Every time you lead it it rears up, plants iteself (and NOTHING you do will make it budge.. and it often does this in the middle of a road) or barges off with you. You've tried be nice halters, tried walking ahead, not looking back, walking at the shoulder, leading in a bridle....

Do you a) pander about teaching it to 'be a good boy' knowing full well it's laughing at you whilst dragging you down the road.
Or do you b) carry a whip and give it a smack when it walks all over you?

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Katy why do always insist on making a thing about everything!!
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and why do you assume that because I won't hit my horses that I'm some sort of pleb!! I have not said I won't use a whip but have said I won't use it to punish. I WILL use it to reinforce my leg aid...

as for your senario....I wouldn't be riding it if it was like that..it would be back to basics I'm afraid
 
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Okay, scenario: you've got a horse who hasnt been taught well. Every time you lead it it rears up, plants iteself (and NOTHING you do will make it budge.. and it often does this in the middle of a road) or barges off with you. You've tried be nice halters, tried walking ahead, not looking back, walking at the shoulder, leading in a bridle....

Do you a) pander about teaching it to 'be a good boy' knowing full well it's laughing at you whilst dragging you down the road.
Or do you b) carry a whip and give it a smack when it walks all over you?

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uuum...C.....teach the damn thing some ground rules and manners BEFORE it went onto the road!!
 
sorry, I was just asking (as you said you wouldnt use a whip to make a horse go foward if it napped) what you would do if it wouldnt lead.

No big 'thing' about it
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Okay, scenario: you've got a horse who hasnt been taught well. Every time you lead it it rears up, plants iteself (and NOTHING you do will make it budge.. and it often does this in the middle of a road) or barges off with you. You've tried be nice halters, tried walking ahead, not looking back, walking at the shoulder, leading in a bridle....

Do you a) pander about teaching it to 'be a good boy' knowing full well it's laughing at you whilst dragging you down the road.
Or do you b) carry a whip and give it a smack when it walks all over you?

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uuum...C.....teach the damn thing some ground rules and manners BEFORE it went onto the road!!

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LOL. Forgot C
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That was the jist of it, if you're teaching manners, would you use a whip as a last resort?
 
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maybe it needs to go on the roads.....we cant get to any of our fields/arena without faffing around on the road

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Then lead it..if its that bad it need to go back to basic and learn some ground rules..
 
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maybe it needs to go on the roads.....we cant get to any of our fields/arena without faffing around on the road

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Then lead it..if its that bad it need to go back to basic and learn some ground rules..

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what if it walks all over you when being led? How would you teach it manners?
 
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you'd seriously take katy's "scenario" horse onto a public highway???? TB????

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so what do you do? leave it in the stable for 6 weeks whilst it learns to lead nicely?
 
Katy..I would use a whip behind the leg the second the horse refused to listen to the leg. Thats what they are for. They are not for whipping a horse until it has raised marks on it ..IMO....if you have to do that then you need to work on basic manners. If its a one off as in the original post (MissElz), I would get off and lead..
 
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you'd seriously take katy's "scenario" horse onto a public highway???? TB????

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so what do you do? leave it in the stable for 6 weeks whilst it learns to lead nicely?

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Teach it some manners for a start...and it wouldn't take me 6 weeks either.
 
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you'd seriously take katy's "scenario" horse onto a public highway???? TB????

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so what do you do? leave it in the stable for 6 weeks whilst it learns to lead nicely?

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WHAT!!..there's plenty you do on the ground or in a school to teach a horse to move forwards without a fight.
 
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maybe it needs to go on the roads.....we cant get to any of our fields/arena without faffing around on the road

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Then lead it..if its that bad it need to go back to basic and learn some ground rules..

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what if it walks all over you when being led? How would you teach it manners?

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Oh come on now..thats just basics!!
 
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TB has said that to get to her school, she would have to cross a road.

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Lead it there until it learns how to behave on the road..
 
That is what we are talking about, if you see some of the posts above. What would you do if the horse was acting up, when lead- Hence my reply.
 
I'm not into natural horsemanship so much as good old-fashioned horsemanship, but have to say I agree with what you said on this and OP Herringbone. I believe the whip should be used as an aid, not a punishment, and I think that the right attitude and body language will show the horse you mean business without resorting to extreme physical reprimand. If someone wants to give their horse a sharp whack with a whip, then it's up to them, but I think that marking a horse with whatever you elect to use (over here alcathene pipe seems to be a favourite with many) is unacceptable imho.

I have to say I didn't like the "Bloody mare, it was her fault!" bit. That's as good as saying she deserved a physical punishment. Horses don't actually think the same way has humans!

And the suggestion from some people that you should beat a horse the second it "plants" itself is really worrying - haven't they ever read Black Beauty? The book was written in an attempt to improve horse welfare, and is incredibly educational in how to start young horses and train them properly from the word go. Horses have such acute senses they often know all sorts of things we haven't noticed, and may well be aware of a danger, supposed or real, that we aren't. Whatever happened to communication?
 
pmsl....this 'discussion' was the first I had on HHO 18 months or so ago. I got slaughtered then..had dodgy pm's and allsorts..how things have improved since then..not a single insult or pm!! What a lovely lot you are
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But if it had a habit of stopping in the middle of the road (whilst the traffic was being held) would you use a whip to MAKE it move foward or out of the way?
 
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That is what we are talking about, if you see some of the posts above. What would you do if the horse was acting up, when lead- Hence my reply.

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I wouldn't whip it thats for sure..
 
I trust we are capable of having a reasonable discussion, without it resulting in an all out slanging match.......Well, some of the time
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That is what we are talking about, if you see some of the posts above. What would you do if the horse was acting up, when lead- Hence my reply.

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I wouldn't whip it thats for sure..

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What would you do then?
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That is what we are talking about, if you see some of the posts above. What would you do if the horse was acting up, when lead- Hence my reply.

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I wouldn't whip it thats for sure..

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What would you do then?
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I wondered that too. I've been there with a Shetland (of all things) who knew manners, but CHOSE not to use them. I spent hours with him trying allsorts, in the end he planted himself in the middle of the road one too many times, I smacked him with the whip and he moved pronto.

Now we have NO problems. I carry a stick, and he does as he's asked to, without any questions. I tried leading him a week ago minus the stick and he reverted back to naughtiness.

(he never does this with kids though, it's purely a "you might be bigger than me but I'm stronger than you" kind of game )
 
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Is there? is that true for every horse?

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Is there what?..I'm lost!!
Nothing true for every horse is it?..

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sorry
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that was in reply to this:

WHAT!!..there's plenty you do on the ground or in a school to teach a horse to move forwards without a fight.
 
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