Double_choc_lab
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The spare wheel cover on my Supreme cracked beyond repair. I bought a plain black cover on t'internet for a tenner. Fits perfectly.
Richardson Rice
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gilldods
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Hi I have just got a richardson wooden floor with rubber mats ..not sure which model or age ..struggling to get spare wheel ..to the model ..thought supreme but tyres do not match the model ..they are 175 13r...... 2 have 9 on and others 8 ..confused
gilldods
New User
Needing advice re richardson
Audeon
New User
If it has a timber floor with mats it is probably pre 2005. From then on they started introducing nylon floors.
First count the number of studs on the wheel. Should be four!
Then look at the rims on the trailer - the most common was 4½J x 13 H2 ET26. We use these rims with a 185.70.R13 tyre (but that is slightly oversized (ie wide) but it performs better on grass and AW surfaces than the slightly narrower tyre fitted originally (155 or 165 70 R13) which are perfect for road and general use. However to be legal you must use a tyre with the designation "c" after the size, a commercial or trailer tyre - eg 185.70.R13 C Slightly more expensive but much safer and legal (if you meet a traffic officer who knows what he is looking for).
http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible.html (pages 1 and 4) is useful for understanding what you are looking for.
The original rim manufacturer was MEFRO, a German company. http://www.mefro-wheels.com/english/home.html
The original rim part number was 49236105. This has been superseded but Mefro will give you the new equivalent and a UK distributor. There is a parts list on their site. http://www.mefro-wheels.com/fileadmin/ekatalog/#/26/
First count the number of studs on the wheel. Should be four!
Then look at the rims on the trailer - the most common was 4½J x 13 H2 ET26. We use these rims with a 185.70.R13 tyre (but that is slightly oversized (ie wide) but it performs better on grass and AW surfaces than the slightly narrower tyre fitted originally (155 or 165 70 R13) which are perfect for road and general use. However to be legal you must use a tyre with the designation "c" after the size, a commercial or trailer tyre - eg 185.70.R13 C Slightly more expensive but much safer and legal (if you meet a traffic officer who knows what he is looking for).
http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible.html (pages 1 and 4) is useful for understanding what you are looking for.
The original rim manufacturer was MEFRO, a German company. http://www.mefro-wheels.com/english/home.html
The original rim part number was 49236105. This has been superseded but Mefro will give you the new equivalent and a UK distributor. There is a parts list on their site. http://www.mefro-wheels.com/fileadmin/ekatalog/#/26/
debserofe
Well-Known Member
I know, I have one - bought an Supreme Excel rear facing trailer in 2008, lightest and highest rear facing model available at the time. I chose the aluminimum (lifetime floor) and it is still going strong! Equitrek were the only other make of rear facing trailers at the time but I didnt like that the doors opened into the middle of the road!
Dollie
Member
hi i know this is digging up a really old thread, but i am trying to register a rice horse trailer in france and need some sort of certificate of conformity, which gives details of chassis, hitch, and braking, i have the serial number, is there any likely hood that i can get any thing that would allow me to obtain a french carte gris for it. thanks in advance.
would your friends be able to help at all i know it was built in 1967. but i have renovated it and it is in perfect order.
would your friends be able to help at all i know it was built in 1967. but i have renovated it and it is in perfect order.
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Audeon
New User
A 1967 model would have been built by "Rice of Leicester" who ceased trading in or about 1998 (we have two Beaufort 30 trailers built by them in 1998 - and probably from all the bits that were left just as the Receiver came through the door). Later the brand was re-launched by Richardson.
However, your trailer was built before the UK joined the (then EEC) EU, and therefore may hold some rights to exemption from modern registration and type approval regulations - a local French trailer expert will be able to tell you the cut off dates for France regarding regulations.
However, your trailer was built before the UK joined the (then EEC) EU, and therefore may hold some rights to exemption from modern registration and type approval regulations - a local French trailer expert will be able to tell you the cut off dates for France regarding regulations.
lazybee
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You won't get a certificate of conformity. You might have to take it to your regional DREAL (Directions Regionales de l’Environnement, de l’Amenagement et du Logement) inspection center. At least they can tell if It's road legal. I've had to do this with a motorbike as I couldn't get a CoC for that either. If your car is still UK registered you can still tow as before. The only 'show stopper' could be any side doors opening the wrong way, but as it's 1967 it probably won't have any.
P/S Trailers don't need a control technique
SamP99
New User
Hi, I am restoring a very old Rice livestock trailer for a friend, and have just found a four digit number on a plate on the lower front left which I think is the chassis number. If I give this, do you think your ex-ruce Richardson friends might be able to say what year it was built? Thanks.
Dollie
Member
Hello, thank you for that, i did think that might be the case. i am now looking into the possibility of going down the historic vehicle route. which seems promising, http://www.ffve.org/Procedure_obtention_attestation_carte_grise it will still mean a visit to drire, but so be it. It does have a jockey door, it was a special add on when new. its not used often, but i would much prefer it all above board.
Dollie
Member
going back to the original poster, with old friends that worked at rice, or anyone else, what happened to all their documents. I know they had a copy of my original invoice, surely they didnt destroy it all, who took them over. there are so many of these old trailers still in circulation. Unfortunatley the copy of this invoice that i did have cannot now be found and i am really very annoyed with myself too!! There must be a way of retrieving old documents somehow.
Shian8
New User
Hi, I am looking for brake back plates for old (1988) Rice horse trailer. The drums are 10". Axles are cast iron, but I don't know the make.
Any idea where I can get these parts?
Alternatively, it would be helpful to know the maker of the axles.
Many thanks.
Dollie
Member
try warwickshire trailers they have a web site, here is their email warks.trailers@talk21.com
good luck, wish i could certify mine as built in 1967!
Dollie
Member
well i found the accountants who were involved in the liquidation of rice richardson sent me this email.
Clare,
Sorry but we can be of no further help.
As this trailer was built by the original Rice Trailers, the only evidence that might have been available to prove its age was the original invoice.
Regards
Gillian Jackson
Accounts Manager
Yorkshire Sheeting and Insulation
Services Limited
Tel: 01904 695800
Fax: 01904 695815
From: Claire . [mailto:lewingale@hotmail.com]
Sent: 07 January 2015 22:29
To: Epost
Subject: RE: Rice Trailer
Hello Gillian,
thank you for taking the time to reply back to me, even though it is not good news.
It is so frustrating because i was sent a copy of the original sales invoice which dated it as 1967, but i have since mislaid it. i did contact them in 2007 by email, and the silly woman insisted that she couldnt respond to my request for a copy via email and needed to send her a written letter requesting they send the copy to my address in France, needless to say it didnt get done! ARgh!!!
The email account that the "copy" was sent to has long since been closed down, so i cant retrieve it from their either,
Does this really mean the end of the road for my trailer, or is there any other way that my trailer could at least be certified as being over 30 years old?, even by the pictures?
I would appreciate this last bit of input by yourselves and then i will have to admit defeat and consider shipping it back to the UK somehow and forking out for a new one here in france.
Thank you for you time
Regards
Claire Lang
From: epost@ysis.co.uk
To: lewingale@hotmail.com
Subject: Rice Trailer
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 15:49:11 +0000
Clare,
Further to your emails to our Accountants we regret that we are unable to help you further.
Unfortunately when the business was closed down back in 2012, all paperwork relating to trailers sold over 6 years prior to that date was destroyed.
As your trailer was built, back in the 1960’s, by the original Rice Trailers, a company Richardson Trailers bought back in the 1990’s, the chances of us having had the relevant information would have been very slim anyway.
Sorry we cannot be of any help.
Regards
Gillian Jackson
Accounts Manager
York Holdings Limited
Tel: 01904 695800
ax: 01904 695815
Clare,
Sorry but we can be of no further help.
As this trailer was built by the original Rice Trailers, the only evidence that might have been available to prove its age was the original invoice.
Regards
Gillian Jackson
Accounts Manager
Yorkshire Sheeting and Insulation
Services Limited
Tel: 01904 695800
Fax: 01904 695815
From: Claire . [mailto:lewingale@hotmail.com]
Sent: 07 January 2015 22:29
To: Epost
Subject: RE: Rice Trailer
Hello Gillian,
thank you for taking the time to reply back to me, even though it is not good news.
It is so frustrating because i was sent a copy of the original sales invoice which dated it as 1967, but i have since mislaid it. i did contact them in 2007 by email, and the silly woman insisted that she couldnt respond to my request for a copy via email and needed to send her a written letter requesting they send the copy to my address in France, needless to say it didnt get done! ARgh!!!
The email account that the "copy" was sent to has long since been closed down, so i cant retrieve it from their either,
Does this really mean the end of the road for my trailer, or is there any other way that my trailer could at least be certified as being over 30 years old?, even by the pictures?
I would appreciate this last bit of input by yourselves and then i will have to admit defeat and consider shipping it back to the UK somehow and forking out for a new one here in france.
Thank you for you time
Regards
Claire Lang
From: epost@ysis.co.uk
To: lewingale@hotmail.com
Subject: Rice Trailer
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 15:49:11 +0000
Clare,
Further to your emails to our Accountants we regret that we are unable to help you further.
Unfortunately when the business was closed down back in 2012, all paperwork relating to trailers sold over 6 years prior to that date was destroyed.
As your trailer was built, back in the 1960’s, by the original Rice Trailers, a company Richardson Trailers bought back in the 1990’s, the chances of us having had the relevant information would have been very slim anyway.
Sorry we cannot be of any help.
Regards
Gillian Jackson
Accounts Manager
York Holdings Limited
Tel: 01904 695800
ax: 01904 695815
alfisocial
New User
Hi TommisMum, I tried to pm you but didn't work for some reason so I hope you are still around on this forum. I am trying to renovate a Rice Europa (the newer one with plastic wheel arches- want to put in a new floor as economical and light as possible but to cope with 1000 kg of horse when necessary- I only take one pony as I tow with a car though I have a friend sharing it taking two ponies with a big 4WD. Anyway I am a bit confused with all the options- locally I can get some oak tongue and groove boards 23 mm x 9inches for £50 per sq.metre or further away I can get keriung half lap planks in 28mm , not sure of price yet- will I still need 2 layers? Marine ply on top? I have rubber mats for travelling. The ramps have hessian/coir fixed down with boards-shall I redo that or would rubber be better? Many thanks
pip6
Well-Known Member
Anyone around Devon / Cornwall avoid Trailermedics in Okehampton. They were very rude to me verging on abusive telling me because they wouldn't service my trailer it wasn't legal on the road. Like they were the DVLA or some kind of government / legal authority. Twits.
Anyway, got a spanking new floor done by Cliffords Joinery in Launceston, trailer serviced (including relining of brakes) by Treburley Garage nr Launceston. Brilliant job by both. Can't recommend them enough.
Anyway, got a spanking new floor done by Cliffords Joinery in Launceston, trailer serviced (including relining of brakes) by Treburley Garage nr Launceston. Brilliant job by both. Can't recommend them enough.
TommisMum
Well-Known Member
Apologies to anyone who has pm'd me over the last few months I am now back online and willing to answer questions again.
TommisMum
Well-Known Member
Hi Dollie
We can help as can get trailer registered as historic - have pm'd you
We can help as can get trailer registered as historic - have pm'd you
TommisMum
Well-Known Member
should only need to replace ramp covering if torn or rotten. If going to replace with rubber will need really thin rubber as will need to put down play to adhere the rubber to it and this could make the ramps heavy as you can not adjust the springs on the Europa.
Floor: oak is the ultimate floor by keruin is very good. don't need ply just put the rubber on top. Floor will be strong enough as a single floor with rubber mats over.
Floor: oak is the ultimate floor by keruin is very good. don't need ply just put the rubber on top. Floor will be strong enough as a single floor with rubber mats over.
Charlie007
Well-Known Member
Tommismum I have pm'd you x
TriggerHappy
Well-Known Member
Do you know if they ever made a signal breast bar or if another company such as ifor Williams their breast bar would fit in the trailer. thank you
Dollie
Member
Hello i have sent an email and pics, but not heard anything back yet, can you just confirm that email arrived thank you kindly. x
si_eyes
Member
Hi peeps. I recently bought a Richardson, newer style but no idea of what model it is? Been tryin to find out but by going with the weights etc on web sites, nothing matches this one? Could anyone help if I was to give the info that is stamped on the front plate?
stefanthomas
New User
Hi I need some dampers for my rice trailer can you help
applecart14
Well-Known Member
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?706300-Trailer-brake-problem
Please can either of them advise re: this post. Thanks
Beausmate
Well-Known Member
I think the axles are Avonride. Back plates might be Landrover, as Series Landrover wheels fit.
Mine is a 1976 Beaufort.
applecart14
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Mikey1983
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unicornystar
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I need some wheel nuts for my Richardson rice OLD trailer.....I took them to europarts and they looked at me blankly and said because they are steel go to a main dealer....ermmmmmmmm!!!! Any ideas? Wheels are R13's and assuming nuts are 8mm and fit a 13mm spanner.......any good place that does steel nuts (hexagonal ones with slight cone to end...
jojenn
New User
I love my Richardson Rosette it is now 17 years old Initially I was going to sell it as a project as My present horse is big(575 Kg but I travel him on his own)but hae decided to keep it.One of the ramps is a little rotten at the bottom.we were going to replace it with 18mm marine ply and then cover it with thin rubber matting which we were going to glue on.Would this be the best thing to use? Could you recommend where to get suitable matting for a ramp and the best type of glue to use.Many thanks in advance for any advice