mle22
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Well in my opinion a waste of a young life is always tragic. And to call her ugly names - well - lacking in humanity in my opinion
Rip Amy winehouse
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Chestnuttymare
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I think it is terribly sad for both Amy W and all the poor people in Norway. I know it is hard to understand, but people with drug and drink problems normally have an addictive personality. Granted that they shouldn't ever use any substance but mostly they don't know they have such a personality until it is too late. By then they don't have a choice, and it doesn't matter how much help you throw at them. Some have more strength than others and they are the ones who manage to get out.
It is heartbreaking for all the families involved, i don't think any of them will be suffering more or less than another.
It is heartbreaking for all the families involved, i don't think any of them will be suffering more or less than another.
mulledwhine
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It is truly horrid what has happened in Norway, and feel blessed that my family are here visiting so were not in Norway when this tragedy happened.
I only posted as some of us feel ad if we ' know' her as most of us were shocked when Micheal Jackson passed, we don't obviously know them but we invite them into our homes with their music.
So yes I was shocked bur it was not shocking, unlike the massacre in Norway.
Rip all that have lost their lives today
I only posted as some of us feel ad if we ' know' her as most of us were shocked when Micheal Jackson passed, we don't obviously know them but we invite them into our homes with their music.
So yes I was shocked bur it was not shocking, unlike the massacre in Norway.
Rip all that have lost their lives today
hardy14
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without a doubt amy was a talanted artist but as the mother if 2 girls one a teenager i she was not a role model for young girls,she has had numerous stays in rehab and the money for detox etc,you choose your own path i feel sorry for her family but nobody forced her to fill her body with that crap
ILuvCowparsely
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Drugs have allot to answer for
sadly some people get into the wrong crowed and are persuaded to sample drugs then allot get addicted like smoking .
It takes a strong person to say know so when someone comes up and says
go on a little wont hurt just one puff.
well one puff all you need , stay strong say no . Be a leader not a follower
rip all those human and animals who have lost their lives today
sadly some people get into the wrong crowed and are persuaded to sample drugs then allot get addicted like smoking .
It takes a strong person to say know so when someone comes up and says
go on a little wont hurt just one puff.
well one puff all you need , stay strong say no . Be a leader not a follower
rip all those human and animals who have lost their lives today
bugbee717
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Well in my opinion a waste of a young life is always tragic. And to call her ugly names - well - lacking in humanity in my opinion
So would you feel the same for the wino on the street, most likely not. Life is a choice, how you make that choice is your choice. Accidents are tragic, illness are tragic, substance abuse is not tragic if that is drugs, drinks, food, yes people use these to mask other things. Help can be sort, but once again it is all about having the choice.
So would you feel the same for the wino on the street, most likely not. Life is a choice, how you make that choice is your choice. Accidents are tragic, illness are tragic, substance abuse is not tragic if that is drugs, drinks, food, yes people use these to mask other things. Help can be sort, but once again it is all about having the choice.
mle22
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Well as my granny used to say - there but for the grace of God -
Echo Bravo
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I do agree with Bugbee717, Amy Winehouse lived her life how she wanted, look how her family tried to get her help. To me her song "Rehab" said it all.
Roasted Chestnuts
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I whole heartedly agree, the woman did what she wanted when she wanted and used her fame to destoy herself, she had many many chances to turn her life around and dint take any of them.
I feel ashamed that her more than likely self inflicted death is overshadowing both a bombing in Norway and the shameful murder or over 90 young people by a supposed 'Christian' fanatic.
RIP Amy but there will be no sympathies for her she chose her own path.
jaijai
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It is very sad news and I feel for her family.
However, I can't help feel she chose her path and had a disregard for how precious life is.
A friend of mine attended the funeral of an 8 year old boy on Thursday who had sadly lost a 5 year battle with leukaemia. It makes me feel so cross that there are many people battling with terminal illness and someone as talented as Amy appears to have thrown her life away.
However, I can't help feel she chose her path and had a disregard for how precious life is.
A friend of mine attended the funeral of an 8 year old boy on Thursday who had sadly lost a 5 year battle with leukaemia. It makes me feel so cross that there are many people battling with terminal illness and someone as talented as Amy appears to have thrown her life away.
mle22
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Might she not have also been ill? And I don't agree at all that her death is overshadowing the awful events in Norway. It has been in my mind much more than Amy - as I'm sure it has most people's
bugbee717
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Well as my granny used to say - there but for the grace of God -
Having lost family at young ages I do not believe in god, nor does my mum she was church of England, my dad is irish so I say no more. When you loose a lives at a young age, that god c::
goes put the window.
To many people are dying for no reason, you don't help it along
Having lost family at young ages I do not believe in god, nor does my mum she was church of England, my dad is irish so I say no more. When you loose a lives at a young age, that god c::
goes put the window. To many people are dying for no reason, you don't help it along
Snowysadude
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RIP Amy so young such a wasted talent
mle22
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Well as my granny used to say - there but for the grace of God -
Having lost family at young ages I do not believe in god, nor does my mum she was church of England, my dad is irish so I say no more. When you loose a lives at a young age, that god c::
To many people are dying for no reason, you don't help it along
I don't believe in God either - I was using it as a metaphor. None of us know how life will pan out and what we or our chidren may become, or have to face.
mulledwhine
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I don't think that addiction is a choice, deppresion has a big part to play, so famous or not, she would have found an escape ( almost certainly distructive) to fill an empty void, and yes I speak from experience.
I feel sorry for her family especially her father who apparently was on a flight when the news broke and had no idea what had happened, to let it out to the public before her family had been told is cruel.
Again though her death is no more heart breaking than any one else that lost a loved one today or any day xxx
I feel sorry for her family especially her father who apparently was on a flight when the news broke and had no idea what had happened, to let it out to the public before her family had been told is cruel.
Again though her death is no more heart breaking than any one else that lost a loved one today or any day xxx
mle22
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I agree x
Trinity Fox
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When people have an addiction it is not a choice they make it is something beyond their control, and as far down the spiral as she was having a hit would not have been for recreation or pleasure probably just to feel normal.
It was commented above would we feel the same for the wino in the street and yes i would, people end up in these situations for various reasons some cant cope with life some suffer from depression mental illness or a trauma in their life to live this kind of tortured half life needing the next hit is a terrible life.
The people who push drugs are the villians as they prey on weak fragile people,lots who are taking drugs do so just to forget, you never know what is going on in someones head or how they feel some people just cant cope.
What happened in Norway is truly a tradgedy and my heart goes out to all the families but it is still very sad that a talented young girl who seemed to have all the help she could need at hand could still not find a way out, that should show how lost she was and for her to die this way is terribly tragic and a sad end to such a chaotic life.
I also think it is wrong to compare the two events both are very different and terrible for all involved and i cant imagine how any of the families are feeling.
It was commented above would we feel the same for the wino in the street and yes i would, people end up in these situations for various reasons some cant cope with life some suffer from depression mental illness or a trauma in their life to live this kind of tortured half life needing the next hit is a terrible life.
The people who push drugs are the villians as they prey on weak fragile people,lots who are taking drugs do so just to forget, you never know what is going on in someones head or how they feel some people just cant cope.
What happened in Norway is truly a tradgedy and my heart goes out to all the families but it is still very sad that a talented young girl who seemed to have all the help she could need at hand could still not find a way out, that should show how lost she was and for her to die this way is terribly tragic and a sad end to such a chaotic life.
I also think it is wrong to compare the two events both are very different and terrible for all involved and i cant imagine how any of the families are feeling.
windsorblue
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I should think they had no option but to confirm it, as without doubt one of the many people attending the flat would have either told the press, or told someone elkse who in turn told the press. very difficult to keep something like that quiet.
As for "Tragic".........no. Complete waste of a life, but not tragic.
The loss of almost 100 lives in Norway is tragic. A child dying of illness is tragic. Accident victims are tragic. She chose her path and was intelligent enough to know the likely outcome. I have sympathy for her family who have lost a child, but she was never going to make old bones.
mle22
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I give up!
Tiffany
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So sad and a waste of a young life. I know she went into rehab although I would imagine any addicition is a long and slow process and unfortunately she didn't make it.
RIP Amy
Regards the tragedy in Norway it's equally sad although completely different and in my view shouldn't really be compared to Amy's death.
RIP all the victims in Norway
RIP Amy
Regards the tragedy in Norway it's equally sad although completely different and in my view shouldn't really be compared to Amy's death.
RIP all the victims in Norway
Dolcé
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The thing with heroin addiction is that when life is hard, for whatever reason, the drug makes you just not care any more, it gives you an escape, for just a short while, from whatever is too much to deal with. I know quite a bit about Amy's introduction into the world of drugs and the life she led because of it, there was a reason her family wanted BFC out of her life. I thought she had beaten it, if indeed that is the cause of her untimely death, and I suspect it will be. The poor woman was tormented and not in a position to help herself by making the right choices. It really is not a case of just saying no where heroin is concerned. My thoughts go out to her family, they must be devastated, no matter what they did they couldn't stop her if that was what she wanted to do. I know, as I am going through the same thing with my own daughter, and it is so blurdy hard! You have this beautiful person that is your daughter and then the other one that is the addict and has taken over, I cannot begin to describe the pain.
The only consolation that her family will find is that she is now at peace and safe, she can't be hurt any more, I hope they find some comfort in that.
RIP Amy
The only consolation that her family will find is that she is now at peace and safe, she can't be hurt any more, I hope they find some comfort in that.
RIP Amy
mulledwhine
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Omg I hope that your daughter sees the light now, bless and hugs and I am here to vent on pm if you need to xxxxx
Shutterbug
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I went through the same thing with my sister - you have my sympathies because I know how hard it is and how hard it was on my parents. For 10+ years my sister lied, stole and played on my mothers sympathies to get her to pay off her drug dealers. It was a living hell for all of us. Yet I have absolutely no sympathy for my sister - she knew exactly what she was doing when she took heroin for the first time - its well documented that its highly addictive even after just one hit. Shes clean now and I'm proud of her for getting off the drugs, so there is hope for your daughter. I'm afraid I still cannot forgive her for what she did to my parents however, and I still harbour a lot of resentment towards her and still cant trust her as far as I can throw her. Everyone has a choice when it comes to drugs - there is help out there for depression and the like, nobody has to turn to drugs as a way of dealing with life - if we all did that the world would be an utter crap hole!!
I hope your daughter gets better, my thoughts are with you
gugglebum
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Addiction rehab in the UK is a joke. Overdosing on a relapse is very common as the body has no tolerance, especially when drugs are mixed.
Yep I'll shoot you down. She didn't decided not to turn her life around, addiction is not a choice.
No, no she didn't choose. She was ill & it was out of her control.
Well you wonder what this has to do with Amy or drugs. Well the inmate said when you sit on the back of one of these wild mustang for the first time well that is a high in itself you dont get that from a cigarette or hard drugs.
So I am one of the few who has never ever Tasted, puffed , injected, ANY SORT of " drugs " I am no boasting just I find life is hard enough sometimes when your brain is normal let alone when it is screwed up.
So please never taste puff or anything drugs it will screw you up. sorry lecture over
You're displaying a staggering ignorance of addiction issues. But working with horses is exactly the kind of rehab that would help addicts. Sadly this government is stuck in a dark ages and think 5 weeks of enforced counselling and shrinks will do the trick. Clearly not.
Yes, you clearly don't understand.
hahahaha. I'm not laughing at tragedy, just your ignorance.
Yes. Its such a complex issue, and people end up in trouble for all sorts of reasons. In my experience 99% of problems can be traced back to issues with parents, even if those issues aren't immediately obvious.
Its not possible to over simplify the issue like this.
Yes, and there go our children, in fact all our loved ones. No one should judge as you never know when you or your family could be afflicted by this curse.
She didn't choose her path, and she did have a terminal illness - addiction.
Quite.
Yes.
I couldn't agree more. But its the goverment drug policies that allows the drug dealers & barons to thrive. A head in the sand approach.
mymare
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Roasted Chestnuts
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I have to say people KNOW when they take a drug ITS A DRUG!! They CHOOSE to take it and from someone who has had to deal with a family member (several infact but not as close) WITH a TEMINAL illness they DIDNT choose I am disgusted that you can compare such things.
peopl choose to take coke, heroin, cannabis, crack, ecstacy you name a highl addictive drug of choice. There is NO ignorance about it, no-one can claim they didnt know what the results would be when they took it.
So Im afraid most of the above seems to me like the cop outs used by those who use others to get what they need.
jaijai
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Trinity Fox
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I really dont agree with the constant comparisons between what has happened in Norway and Amy Whinehouse dying if you are going to do this where do you stop i mean what about the pensioners killed by the nurse or anyone else who has sadly died, it is not right and i think a bit sick to start comparing these sorts of things.
It is very sad for all the families we will never know all the details about Amys life or death, i find it very sad if you cant have compassion for someone even if things they have done you may not agree with have led to their death i am not a particular fan but i find it very depressing we are actually comparing things like this.
It is very sad for all the families we will never know all the details about Amys life or death, i find it very sad if you cant have compassion for someone even if things they have done you may not agree with have led to their death i am not a particular fan but i find it very depressing we are actually comparing things like this.
gugglebum
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You've massively over simplified the issue in order to suit your needs and your argument. Or maybe it's because you have a real lack of knowledge or experience regarding the subject.
I fear you will retain your blinkered view until the point at which life chooses to throw you a curved ball and you're forced to study the subject in greater depth & breadth. I sincerely hope this doesn't happen to you, but you never know...
Kadastorm
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Its hard for those who havent experienced addiction to understand and who can blame them? drugs and alcohol are just like eating disorders and selfharm. They are illnesses usually a symptom of a mental health problem so did she choose that? doubt it. Fair enough she was offered alot of help and she did take it! but relapsed. It is unfair to say she chose her path, we dont know what went on behind closed doors, we just hear gossip from the media.
As for norway, that is truely awful and tragic but that is another thread and another subject. The two cant be compared. All loss of live is tragic.
As for norway, that is truely awful and tragic but that is another thread and another subject. The two cant be compared. All loss of live is tragic.