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Rip Amy winehouse
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gemin1eye
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She doesn't really deserve pity. She chose her manner of dying and YES it was a choice! Nobody held her down and forced her to take drugs, not that time or the first time she did it. Feel sorry for her poor family.
bugbee717
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Hell no a child dying in a car accident, been there done that, a person dying of cancer is tragic, a person dying at the hands of someone else is tragic, a stupid bint that can't say no is not tragic. It is stupid and very selfish.
What a vile and ignorant statement.
Sympathy and compassion are not finite. Well, not for those capable of such emotions, who also keep an open mind and heart.
Sorry if you find this vile, what I find vile is that my sister was killed by a driver of a van at Christmas, he could not see her. He was doing 60 in a 40 she was 9 years old. That is vile. My mum had my brother in 1984 he was stillborn at 23 week, but a baby still formed at that age, she was told to dispose of him in a black bag, that is vile. My uncle died of lung problems, not smoking related that is vile. My nan had cancer fair I feel not. I have had a friend take there own life, yes I know what drugs and drink can do, my OH dad is an has a drink problem, a serious problem. Some people in life choose the path they take, some do not, there is taken from them. We know as adults what too much drink, drugs, food, lack of food can do us, how we decided to deal with this is our choice, you live or you die. If she was my OH dad people would just say he drank too much, it's his own fault, that is NOT tragic. What do I remember each chrismas, Santa with his presents, no my sister being run over is that vile, hell no.
Hell no a child dying in a car accident, been there done that, a person dying of cancer is tragic, a person dying at the hands of someone else is tragic, a stupid bint that can't say no is not tragic. It is stupid and very selfish.
What a vile and ignorant statement.
Sympathy and compassion are not finite. Well, not for those capable of such emotions, who also keep an open mind and heart.
Sorry if you find this vile, what I find vile is that my sister was killed by a driver of a van at Christmas, he could not see her. He was doing 60 in a 40 she was 9 years old. That is vile. My mum had my brother in 1984 he was stillborn at 23 week, but a baby still formed at that age, she was told to dispose of him in a black bag, that is vile. My uncle died of lung problems, not smoking related that is vile. My nan had cancer fair I feel not. I have had a friend take there own life, yes I know what drugs and drink can do, my OH dad is an has a drink problem, a serious problem. Some people in life choose the path they take, some do not, there is taken from them. We know as adults what too much drink, drugs, food, lack of food can do us, how we decided to deal with this is our choice, you live or you die. If she was my OH dad people would just say he drank too much, it's his own fault, that is NOT tragic. What do I remember each chrismas, Santa with his presents, no my sister being run over is that vile, hell no.
fburton
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And of course this argument also applies to alcohol, which is just another drug if you strip away the cultural acceptability stuff. So how many people here have started taking alcohol in the first place? In terms of developing a habit and an addiction, there isn't much difference between alcohol and other recreational drugs - only in degree (e.g. nicotine being more highly addictive and marijuana being relatively non-addictive). No doubt certain non-alcoholic drugs are considered 'normal' in some circles, just as alcohol is considered normal in wider society.
jsr
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I'll save my sympathy for the many who died needlessly in Norway.
joeanne
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hch4971 you have my utmost sympathy, what an awful thing to have to go through, I hope that your daughter finds the strength to kick her addiction.
Very easy to sit back and say "Amy chose her path", but she was still someone's daughter, and sister, and hindsight is a wonderful thing. Once hooked, its too hard for some to find a way back.
Its been a tragic week all round....
RIP to them all.
fburton
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By that token, alcoholics don't deserve pity either. After all, they chose to overindulge.
Of course, I feel sorry for her family. It's the survivors that need practical compassion and support, not the dead. The deaths of innocents at the hands and the deaths of innocents at their own hands (however indirectly) are both tragic in their own way, although I tend to find the former to be more personally affecting.
ILuvCowparsely
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listen gugglebum I am not showing any ignorance who are you to make comments like that.
Drugs is drugs no one forced her to put them in her mouth or inject herself did they NO!
Yes it is sad she has died but the end of the day , who are you to quote and comment on every single poster in this thread its patronizing.
Its a fact drugs screw you up you have 2 choices take them or leave them . People who take drugs know they screw you but they keep taking them then they come addicted to them , and yes then its hard to quit , you should have enough will power to say no
No doubt you will quote me again you seem to have an answer for everything .
There are 2 types of addict one gets to used to prescription drugs to ease the pain or discomfort these i do have sympathy for when your in real pain you will try to ease it
the other knowingly takes illegal drugs they make that choice no 1 else they know it will mess with their head but they still do it well they suffer the consequences . Its sad when they die but they screwed their body till their body said enough and give up..
What is sadder is when people die from bombs , terrorists , hit and run, army soldiers, cancer, and old age They are the real people i really feel sorry and saddened for .
Drugs is drugs no one forced her to put them in her mouth or inject herself did they NO!
Yes it is sad she has died but the end of the day , who are you to quote and comment on every single poster in this thread its patronizing.
Its a fact drugs screw you up you have 2 choices take them or leave them . People who take drugs know they screw you but they keep taking them then they come addicted to them , and yes then its hard to quit , you should have enough will power to say no
No doubt you will quote me again you seem to have an answer for everything .
There are 2 types of addict one gets to used to prescription drugs to ease the pain or discomfort these i do have sympathy for when your in real pain you will try to ease it
the other knowingly takes illegal drugs they make that choice no 1 else they know it will mess with their head but they still do it well they suffer the consequences . Its sad when they die but they screwed their body till their body said enough and give up..
What is sadder is when people die from bombs , terrorists , hit and run, army soldiers, cancer, and old age They are the real people i really feel sorry and saddened for .
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Snipe
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If there's anything more tragic than a fate like that of Amy Winehouse, its a fate like yours; to live without empathy for anyone else.
navaho
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Yes but thats my point, though we were just talking about drugs. If we choose to do things that we know are bad for ourselves then you cant really expect sympathy when it goes tits up. Ive never done drugs & never will, i know the consequences, however i have chosen to occasionally drink, if i mess up then thats my choice, i wouldnt expect any sympathy for it. My sympathy lies with the families who are affected by the actions of addicts of any sort.
navaho
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Couldnt agree more!! But does make you wonder if the people defending her taking drugs also indulge, it seems so common place these days
ILuvCowparsely
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Yes its tragic but she chose to live her life this way didnt she no one else . I have empathy for those who die or are ill in a way that no for seen like cancer and those described above . As i said its sad but if you abuse any sort of drug your body in the end will fail .
ILuvCowparsely
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Couldnt agree more!! But does make you wonder if the people defending her taking drugs also indulge, it seems so common place these days
I was thinking that myself
joeanne
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Couldnt agree more!! But does make you wonder if the people defending her taking drugs also indulge, it seems so common place these days
I don't do drugs, nor do I "defend" Amy Winehouse taking them.
What I do say, is that once addicted, the road back is not one some are capable of making.
I bet down the line, she probably sat there wishing to god she had never seen heroin let alone tried it.
mle22
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No where in this entire debate has anyone defended her drug taking!
aimsymc
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do the people who have no sympathy for aw feel the same about people who have died or are dying with drink and smoking realated illness?
fburton
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Ditto alcohol.
Which of course includes psychological pain - one of the reasons people get into illegal non-alcoholic drugs as well as alcohol.
I think the legal/illegal distinction is spurious. Do you think alcohol would be legal if it weren't for the fact that taking it has a long cultural tradition? In terms of risk and bad effects, it's right up there with the worst of the illegal drugs.
Fair enough - I have a lot of sympathy for this pov. (But I have to say that I would love to die of old age!)
MiJodsR2BlinkinTite
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Sorry but I'm another one who ain't gonna sit down and cry about Amy Winehouse. Yes, its sad, yes its tragic, but she's not the first wannabee to start on the drink & drugs rollercoaster and who dies from it, and she won't be the last.
Young people are warned enough about drugs nowadays for goodness sake. She was a grown woman who knew what she was doing and still kept doing it, so I for one don't have any sympathy.
Countless numbers of young people look to these celebrities for a lead, an example, and so often the people they idolise turn out to be poor examples and so everyone thinks its OK to "do" drugs and alcohol. Drugs are for mugs, and its a pity some of these celebrity types who have the chance to live a lifestyle foreign to most ordinary people, haven't got it in them to stand up and say so.
Sorry but no tears or sympathy from me. She did to it herself. She had free choice and abused it; and there are plenty of people dying daily from cancer and other fatal diseases who can't help themselves.
Young people are warned enough about drugs nowadays for goodness sake. She was a grown woman who knew what she was doing and still kept doing it, so I for one don't have any sympathy.
Countless numbers of young people look to these celebrities for a lead, an example, and so often the people they idolise turn out to be poor examples and so everyone thinks its OK to "do" drugs and alcohol. Drugs are for mugs, and its a pity some of these celebrity types who have the chance to live a lifestyle foreign to most ordinary people, haven't got it in them to stand up and say so.
Sorry but no tears or sympathy from me. She did to it herself. She had free choice and abused it; and there are plenty of people dying daily from cancer and other fatal diseases who can't help themselves.
LaurenBay
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Luci07
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While that makes sense - do you not also think there is a bit of a tendency for people (generally) to think that they can manage it? they will be the ones who will not have a problem? I am not excusing their decision just to say that its not always as straightforward as "you had a choice". Most people oh here are judging Amy W by their own standards i.e clean, in control and fundamentally content in lifel. I put my hands up and say I don't know what made her choose that road. My sister has panic attacks. Awful, debhilitating and controls her life. I am overjoyed when she rings me to say she has walked 10 feet out of her door - she is terrified. She has taught me to not take such a black and white view of human behaviour. I went out with someone years ago and was so nieve, it was a year before I realised he did Coke... as did ALL his smart friends. That particular experience changed my mind from "you are an adult, you make your own decisions" to "I don't want anyone in my life who chooses coke etc".
I don't know what the answer is. AW will be romanticised for the wrong reasons now. Her parents are grieving facing something they have been waiting to happen for a long time. Could any more have been done? Will an addict now look at what has happened to Amy and think "I must take control" or will they carry on believing they can manage the drug. The first step to any recovery process be it alcohol, drugs whatever is to ACTUALLY admit you (adict) has a problem.
But being uncessarily cruel and posting vitriol on a public forum is not going to help either and just reflects poorly on the poster (and yes, my BP was going up in earlier posts when the family were blamed). I won't compare her death to that of child in an accident or a cancer victim but clearly AW was in a lot of pain somewhere that she chose to try to obliterate her waking moments.
AshTay
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Good grief! I hope some of the self righteous on here never make a mistake in their life....
Whoever said "there but for the grace of god go I" hit the nail on the head.
RIP Amy.
Whoever said "there but for the grace of god go I" hit the nail on the head.
RIP Amy.
blakesmum
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Right haven't read everything and can't be bothered to go back and find bits to quote but here's my take.
Very sad for her family and I do feel sorrow and sympathy for them.
However, she chose her path. I used to hang around with a group of people who used to smoke and take 'hard' drugs. They used to offer them to me. Did I take them or even smoke? No I bloody didn't!! As soon as the drugs came out I went home!
People say she had mental health issues. Whoppdy doo, welcome to the club love. I have lived most of my life with these issues, however did I turn to drink or drugs? No I got myself help! I still struggle some days as mine is a chemical imbalance, but I don't use it as an excuse to wreck my life and that of my family and friends. I have too much respect for them!
She had so much help offered/given to her she chose not to take any, she also had enough money to afford the best treatment available.
As well as those in Norway who have been killed, two service men died this week in Afghanistan, doing their jobs, which yes was their choice. But at least their choice was benefiting others. So excuse me if I cannot find one ounce of pity for that stupid girl, her family yes, but not her!
Human life is precious and she chose not to treat her life with any respect so therefore I have no respect for her death!!!
Very sad for her family and I do feel sorrow and sympathy for them.
However, she chose her path. I used to hang around with a group of people who used to smoke and take 'hard' drugs. They used to offer them to me. Did I take them or even smoke? No I bloody didn't!! As soon as the drugs came out I went home!
People say she had mental health issues. Whoppdy doo, welcome to the club love. I have lived most of my life with these issues, however did I turn to drink or drugs? No I got myself help! I still struggle some days as mine is a chemical imbalance, but I don't use it as an excuse to wreck my life and that of my family and friends. I have too much respect for them!
She had so much help offered/given to her she chose not to take any, she also had enough money to afford the best treatment available.
As well as those in Norway who have been killed, two service men died this week in Afghanistan, doing their jobs, which yes was their choice. But at least their choice was benefiting others. So excuse me if I cannot find one ounce of pity for that stupid girl, her family yes, but not her!
Human life is precious and she chose not to treat her life with any respect so therefore I have no respect for her death!!!
ILuvCowparsely
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Here Here well said we all have health issues I have issues to. We all do tho some of us have the will power and sense to say NO to drugs and smoke you make your bed you lie in it .
Drugs and drink are drummed into this country by tv commercials adverts notices on fag packets and shown in casualty and the bill how people, die from drugs and drink , but these people still do it and I see kids smoking etc where are the roll models for these i ask?? prob at home high as a kite on drugs.. So I am not going to cry over it sorry and I am sure I am not standing alone .
and lastly no one had any sympathy for the old man who killed those horses and injured the riders the other week as he had a break up with his partner.
His drinking was self inflicted he in a mess over his partner no different from AW drugs only AW killed only herself where as that git killed 2 innocent horses and injured the riders.
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Fairynuff
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Snipe
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Would you rewrite the above so that I can understand it?
She seems to be saying that because people on the TV programme Casualty die from drink and drugs, all of humanity must therefore have sufficient willpower to stay on the straight and narrow.
Bit of a logic gap there somewhere...
AshTay
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No one's asking you to cry over it.
I just think that it's a shame that people can't show a little compassion for the demise of a talented woman who made the wrong choices in life and ultimately paid for it with her life.
Her music was loved by millions of people - she gave something to the world (how many people can say they did that, addiction/mental health problems or not??); does she not deserve even an ounce of forgiveness considering that??
Nobody is perfect (other than you, apparently).
ILuvCowparsely
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These programs drum into us the dangers of drink abuse and drug abuse , if people choose to ignore it and carry on no one else can be blamed .
My comment is clear enough , as many others have said yes its sad she was given help she chose to ignore it her choice.
Sorry if I don't choose to think the way some here do. I will save my sympathy for those who die in tragedy and accidents .
If being perfect means i don't smoke or take drugs then yes I along with blakesmum and navaho and others we all must be perfect
My comment is clear enough , as many others have said yes its sad she was given help she chose to ignore it her choice.
Sorry if I don't choose to think the way some here do. I will save my sympathy for those who die in tragedy and accidents .
If being perfect means i don't smoke or take drugs then yes I along with blakesmum and navaho and others we all must be perfect
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TheresaW
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Not every drug addict had mental health problems, same as not everyone with mental health problems will become a drug addict. We all make our own choices. I am an ex smoker. I knew what smoking can do to you, yet I still CHOSE to try it thinking I wouldn't become addicted. I smoked for around 15 years before I finally kicked the habit.
One of my sisters is a drug addict. Her drug of choice is speed. Not a drug that I really know much about, other than it has torn our family apart. Her kids are now in care for the 2nd, time, and it is highly unlikely she will ever get them back. She CHOSE to take drugs in the first place. Nobody forced her. We would all love to help her and get her off it, but until she wants to help herself, there is nothing we can do. She believes she is hard done by and the school, social workers, us etc, are just picking on her and she cannot see that ANY of it is her fault.
One of my sisters is a drug addict. Her drug of choice is speed. Not a drug that I really know much about, other than it has torn our family apart. Her kids are now in care for the 2nd, time, and it is highly unlikely she will ever get them back. She CHOSE to take drugs in the first place. Nobody forced her. We would all love to help her and get her off it, but until she wants to help herself, there is nothing we can do. She believes she is hard done by and the school, social workers, us etc, are just picking on her and she cannot see that ANY of it is her fault.
Fairynuff
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blakesmum
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And where do I claim to be perfect? I'm far from perfect but I used myself as an example of choice, I had the same choices to make when offered drugs as she must have. I chose not to. I too had mental health problems I sought out help and took everything that was offered to me and sorted my life out.
She chose to take the drugs and turn down the help. She effectively killed herself.
She may have had a lovely voice, once, she may have been talented, once. She'd wrecked it all. Such a shame for the family (as I already said) as to lose a child, no matter the circumstances, is awful, but no I won't join in the 'what a shame' outpouring that is going on.