RSPCA Raid Jamie Grey's Spindles Farm Again

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are you still going on about this. you are all so boring.

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As I suggested before, if it's so boring, why are you bothering to post that it's so boring? Why don't you go and do something interesting??


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So you openly admit that JG isnt actually guilty under british law of any wrongdoing towards those horses?? Afterall, if he were surely he'd be charged with that too?
 
going back to jg (ok boring i know) but as i was led to belive there are minimum starting prices on horses and ponies theses days, so the going for a pound in the ring wouldnt actually be happening, ok they could go for that outside the ring,

it had also accured to me that may be he is importing before exporting, ie from ireland ect,

although im with most people and belive that the horses taken away/found were in an horrundes state, i do not belive that a dealer or meat man would let horses starve to death and die for no good no reason, wheres the profit??

when OE started up there was alot of mention about being careful what what said ect, well any one that is related to the current posts,( friends, family lawers ect) would read through these and piss them selfs laughing, to me it seems a jg thread is started then a few select members get in on it and turn it into a slagging match, forum or real life its pathetic, if you lot actually care about horses discuss the topics not each other!
 
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going back to jg (ok boring i know) but as i was led to belive there are minimum starting prices on horses and ponies theses days, so the going for a pound in the ring wouldnt actually be happening, ok they could go for that outside the ring,

it had also accured to me that may be he is importing before exporting, ie from ireland ect,

although im with most people and belive that the horses taken away/found were in an horrundes state, i do not belive that a dealer or meat man would let horses starve to death and die for no good no reason, wheres the profit??



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Yes, thankyou.

I have never witnessed a horse or pony be sold for under 30 guineas in the sale ring. I believe their minimum price is their weight in meat money, though I am no expert by any means so stand to be corrected.

No dealer dealing in meat ponies would allow their money to be literally thrown away like that.
 
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are you still going on about this. you are all so boring.

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As I suggested before, if it's so boring, why are you bothering to post that it's so boring? Why don't you go and do something interesting??


Paddywhack:

So you openly admit that JG isnt actually guilty under british law of any wrongdoing towards those horses?? Afterall, if he were surely he'd be charged with that too?

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I have never said that he has been charged,always stated that he is under investigation and that RSPCA is building up the case and evidence against him and then its up to the courts but it can take as long as 1 year before/if it goes to court...
 
But surely if it was as serious as the media have portrayed then they'd have al the evidence they need??


I'm sorry but I think the RSPCA are stalling for some reason. Such a high profile case and thy're taking this long to get evidence of cruelty and neglect??
 
If you think how long it can take for cases to go to court where humans are involved no wonder that it will take time to get it all together involving so many animals,i read about a RSPCA case where dogs and cats were removed,it took months before the owners were charged,then it went to court...And they were succesfully prosecuted,but like they quoted you cant compare 1 case with another
Each and every animal need to be investigated,test results got to come back,vet reports about each and every single horse/donkey got to be filled in etc etc etc I know how long it took my vet to fill in 1 vet report for an insurance claim,can you imagine gathering together all the paper work about all these animals that are staying at the different sanctuaries ...Its some job they have taken on
So of course it will take a long time ...No one will know what the outcome will be,,,i wish that i had a crystal ball to look into
 
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I'm sorry but I think the RSPCA are stalling for some reason. Such a high profile case and thy're taking this long to get evidence of cruelty and neglect??

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Damage limitations perhaps? Which may be why they take so long to issue reports to the media?
 
I think that the less we know the better it is since things only get twisted and debated.I think that the real evidence will be kept from us until/if it goes to court.....Why do they have to share it with us ? Long as i get told that it will be going to court i am happy
They are not investigate this to stimulate us,they are doing it for the animals...For me its enough that i know that they are working on it,the pictures of those ponies/donkeys are forever in my brain,and like MJ said in another post on another thread
"THE CAMERA DOES NOT LIE"
 
It was the Dmail which claimed 9 horses had been removed. But here we have it from an rspca spokesperson - NO ANIMALS WERE REMOVED.


And for those of you who live in the amersham and surrounding areas, you would have KNOWN this.

so much for your info from a friend of a friend who lives in the village, PW.
 
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If you think how long it can take for cases to go to court where humans are involved no wonder that it will take time to get it all together involving so many animals,i read about a RSPCA case where dogs and cats were removed,it took months before the owners were charged,then it went to court...And they were succesfully prosecuted,but like they quoted you cant compare 1 case with another
Each and every animal need to be investigated,test results got to come back,vet reports about each and every single horse/donkey got to be filled in etc etc etc I know how long it took my vet to fill in 1 vet report for an insurance claim,can you imagine gathering together all the paper work about all these animals that are staying at the different sanctuaries ...Its some job they have taken on


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I have on the odd occasion been asked to be an expert witness on behalf of the RSPCA and would confirm that these thing take ages to come to court. Even in very cut and dried cases of neglect I've never known it to be less than 6 months. In my opinion the delay in charging JG is probably normal. However, while I think there is no doubt that some of the animals found at Spindles Farm were in an horrific state, I think the difficulty in this case will be proving that they became that way while they were in JG's care. If the animals had no passports, freeze marks or documentation I think this may prove quite difficult sadly. I have my own private views as to who was responsible for the neglect but proving it may be another thing entirely.
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Thank you ann-jen. I was going to point out that recent murder cases have taken nearly 2 years to reach sentencing so there is absolutely no reason to think that a case by the RSPCA against JG should have been done end dusted by now.

If all this hysteria stopped and people looked logically at the facts with a little knowledge of how legal process works maybe all these conspiracy theories would die.

Some on here should know better and Im sure posts are now being made purely to add fuel to the fire for entertainment value.

If he is guilty of a crime it will come to court - but only if it can be proved.
 
If he is the guilty party, they will only give him a ban probably though. I think this sucks. Like the wowan on the news a few days ago who let all those animals die - Banned and community service is definately not enough for these people! Like the two teens that slashed that poor mare to death. They must be sick in the head. Bring back the death sentence.. we dont want people like this in the world surely, breeding and passing on their obviously twisted genes?!
 
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My beef isn't with how long it takes to build a case against someone - I realise that it can take a number of months to build a strong case which is less likely to fail in court. Obviously if JG is found guilty of the crimes we imagine, then I hope they throw the book at him!

My only complaint is why did it take the RSPCA a week to clarify what actually happened last week? Why couldn't they simply have given a statement then and there? I just don't get all the cloak and dagger stuff, surely it is easy enough to say "yes we removed horses" or "no we removed no horses"?
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If he is the guilty party, they will only give him a ban probably though. I think this sucks. Like the wowan on the news a few days ago who let all those animals die - Banned and community service is definately not enough for these people! Like the two teens that slashed that poor mare to death. They must be sick in the head. Bring back the death sentence.. we dont want people like this in the world surely, breeding and passing on their obviously twisted genes?!

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RSPCA,Health Inspector and the police did go in under the Animal Welfare Act :
"When does the new law come into effect?
From 6 April 2007 in England, and in Wales from 27 March, animal welfare law is being improved.

It is still against the law to be cruel to an animal. But now you must also ensure that all the welfare needs of your animals are met.

What does the new law do?
It makes owners and keepers responsible for ensuring that the welfare needs of their animals are met.

These include the need:

For a suitable environment (place to live)
For a suitable diet
To exhibit normal behaviour patterns
To be housed with, or apart from, other animals (if applicable)
To be protected from pain, injury, suffering and disease
The new law also increases to 16 the minimum age at which a person can buy an animal and prohibits giving animals as prizes to unaccompanied children under this age.

Anyone who is cruel to an animal, or does not provide for its welfare needs, may be banned from owning animals, fined up to £20,000 and/or sent to prison."



They first got to establish/prove IF he broke any of the rules above,yes maybe he bought the horse in a poor state BUT its very easy to feed them,and according to one of the Sanctuaries they had not been feed for a long time,so first they got to establish how long they had been in his possesion
And IF he is charged and brought to court its up to the justice system and the Judge to to decide...Even as much as this case hurts and disgusts me it has opened up mine and I am sure so many other people of the publics eyes whats going on among the dealers...JG has been around for years and he and his family is a well known horse dealer family.
There might be suffering horses as we write that we can't help but i am positive that the awareness has now been raised and that things will change in the future,I can only hope so,I got to admit that I look into every horse field that i drive past..
 
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If he is the guilty party, they will only give him a ban probably though. I think this sucks. Like the wowan on the news a few days ago who let all those animals die - Banned and community service is definately not enough for these people! Like the two teens that slashed that poor mare to death. They must be sick in the head. Bring back the death sentence.. we dont want people like this in the world surely, breeding and passing on their obviously twisted genes?!

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RSPCA,Health Inspector and the police did go in under the Animal Welfare Act :
"When does the new law come into effect?
From 6 April 2007 in England, and in Wales from 27 March, animal welfare law is being improved.

It is still against the law to be cruel to an animal. But now you must also ensure that all the welfare needs of your animals are met.

What does the new law do?
It makes owners and keepers responsible for ensuring that the welfare needs of their animals are met.

These include the need:

For a suitable environment (place to live)
For a suitable diet
To exhibit normal behaviour patterns
To be housed with, or apart from, other animals (if applicable)
To be protected from pain, injury, suffering and disease
The new law also increases to 16 the minimum age at which a person can buy an animal and prohibits giving animals as prizes to unaccompanied children under this age.

Anyone who is cruel to an animal, or does not provide for its welfare needs, may be banned from owning animals, fined up to £20,000 and/or sent to prison."



They first got to establish/prove IF he broke any of the rules above,yes maybe he bought the horse in a poor state BUT its very easy to feed them,and according to one of the Sanctuaries they had not been feed for a long time,so first they got to establish how long they had been in his possesion
And IF he is charged and brought to court its up to the justice system and the Judge to to decide...Even as much as this case hurts and disgusts me it has opened up mine and I am sure so many other people of the publics eyes whats going on among the dealers...JG has been around for years and he and his family is a well known horse dealer family.
There might be suffering horses as we write that we can't help but i am positive that the awareness has now been raised and that things will change in the future,I can only hope so,I got to admit that I look into every horse field that i drive past..

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Take a look in your field - I have!!
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I cant see what MJ wrote in the quote.........But I am sure that it is something against me..so whatever she/he has written use your own judgement if its true or not...I am too old for her/his games and i promised that i would not go down to his/hers level anymore
 
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I cant see what MJ wrote in the quote.........But I am sure that it is something against me..so whatever she/he has written use your own judgment if its true or not...I am too old for her/his games and i promised that i would not go down to his/hers level anymore

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stop replying to the posts you can't see then! If you ignored everything, didn't get entangled, then they would stop
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Can't make a judgment as don't know either of you, so just read, digest and spit out
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Hi Chrissy, someone told me you where on here by the name of Paddywhack.


How are you?

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Very well thank you and you ?
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Think people should stop posting about JG at all on this forum.It only gives myjack & co something to witter about.
They seem to thrive on winding people up about it,but maybe if there were no JG post's they might go away and be annoying elsewhere.

I personally find it beyond incredulous to suggest that the whole JG situation is some massive hoax and/or monumentual cock up by the RSPCA,but whatever floats your boat I suppose.The courts will decide eventually so why not just wait and see.

In the meantime,maybe it is time to stop letting myjack & co upset everyone with their continued defense of someone who possibly inflicted terrible cruelty on animals that we are all passionate about.
 
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I think that people need to see this news story so I am entering it again ..... If the forum users responsible for the thread being pulled do it again ..... I will suggest to Admin that you are banned.

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and she asked if people could stop arguing about it which as far as I can see the same old people have done the same again, I agree devonlass there are a few people on here hell bent on causing nothing but upset and maybe admin should look into doing something about it.

I knew the horse world was a nasty bitchy vindictive place but christ i didnt think it was this bad. There seems to be more nastyness and upset on here then any other forum i go to.

This is not better than playground bullying and as the schools my children go to dont stand for it, why do users and visiters of HHO have to stand watching and reading FULLY grown adults do it.

Yes we all have an ignore button and as we all have to choice not to read it and get involved but when there a maybe three or four members that persistently do nothing but cause upset and hurt i feel its just for others to step in and ask you all to SHUT UP and go else where and rant.

there are threads on here that have ben started just to cause upset , I for one think its childish and well very sad that these peole have to much time on their hands to do this. Maybe its time admin had a bit of a shake up and a few people disappear for a while to cool off.

Rant off
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so we MUST read the story, but not discuss it??


as far as I can see only two people on here have made a personal argument out of this, the rest have discussed the story... I thought that was the idea of starting threads? so people could discuss them?


Telling people what they can and cannot say (and threatening to have them banned if they say something OP doesnt agree with) is IMO the playground bullying you describe.

Unless someone makes a defamatory comment, or starts a personal argument, I cannot see the problem??
 
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so we MUST read the story, but not discuss it??

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Oh we appear to be allowed to discuss the story....so long as we all agree with the original poster's view. We apparently are not allowed to follow the British Justice System which proclaims "Innocent until PROVEN guilty".

There are no JG fans on here - some people are simply open minded enough to accept that things may not be as they first appear and, as such, prefer to discuss these anomalies.

Dictatorships are really not all they are cracked up to be!
 
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