RSPCA SHAME ON YOU

Moomin1 said:
Police are responsible for any stray healthy animal that is loose on the public highway or in a public area.

They are responsible for ensuring that animal is removed from causing danger, and being in danger, to a suitable secure place. That can be anywhere, including somebody's garden. Once the police have secured that animal, it is the land owner's responsibility. If the animal is injured, the RSPCA will pay for treatment. If perfectly healthy, the horse is the responsibility of the land owner.
I think the police in this instance did just that they got my friends to call me and collect the pony

Tough. That is the law.

I get hacked off with people who fail to listen time and time again to people telling them what the law is.
If you read H&H you will see that the police are not responsible for strays they are however responsible for keeping the highway safe so they end up getting involved in something they are not equiped to deal with as printed in H&H strays are i civil matter not the remit of the police at all
But in this instance did more for this pony than an organistion that is more equiped to deal with a pony

I'm afraid, like it or not, that is the way it is.
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Im afraid your information on this occasion is incorrect
 
Alec Swan said:
Moomin1,

as a staunch supporter of the rspca, and their stance against the Heythrop, which you seem to support and applaud, I'm now wondering what your views are upon the now well publicised Equine Abattoir from Cheshire, where appalling lairage and slaughter conditions occur, and for horses.

Would you consider one to be worthy of rspca prosecution and not the other?

Would you agree that as there seems to be no political milage in the prosecution of abattoir owners, the workers involved, the State Veterinary Service and the Meat Hygiene Service, all of whom having failed their responsibilities abysmally, that the easiest rout is to pick upon those who whilst able to offer defence, simply can't afford to run the risk? Well, do you?

Alec.
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Alec i think it is worth mentioning here that the RSPCA have already released a statement and the abattoir is now the subject of a live investiagtion. Plus the RSPCA has already set up a campaign for mandatory CCTV in slaughterhouses.

https://twitter.com/RSPCA_official
 
MillyMoomie said:
Alec i think it is worth mentioning here that the RSPCA have already released a statement and the abattoir is now the subject of a live investiagtion. Plus the RSPCA has already set up a campaign for mandatory CCTV in slaughterhouses.

https://twitter.com/RSPCA_official
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FANTASTIC. Thats what I want to hear I will continue to support the RSPCA even if everyone can just give a small donation or instead of a bar of chocolate give a thought. Bringing cases cost so much money in the UK (unless you are on legal aid of course). They have to have such concrete evidence(no diffferent to the police) to bring successful prosecution. And unfortunately probably only have money to take on the most serious of cases.Plus dogs and all the other waifs and strays.Should be more on spot fines and also bailiffs etc to ensure bad people pay one way or other. Good.
 
MillyMoomie said:
Alec i think it is worth mentioning here that the RSPCA have already released a statement and the abattoir is now the subject of a live investiagtion. Plus the RSPCA has already set up a campaign for mandatory CCTV in slaughterhouses.

https://twitter.com/RSPCA_official
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Now? Really? As usual the rspca will make the usual useless and inept, but possibly well intentioned noises, which, again as usual, will achieve nothing.

Before anyone makes the mistake of donating to the rspca, which is still in my view not fit for purpose, may I suggest that you look at the website of "The Humane Slaughter Association"?

The HSA has a fascinating history. It stems back to the beginning of the 1900s, and a lady called Miss Sidell, I believe. She campaigned for the humane treatment of all creatures at the point of slaughter. It is a charity which is staffed and run, in the main by qualified Vets, there is a highly skilled and competent slaughterman who effectively runs the practical side of things, their achievements world wide are quite remarkable, they are welcome in every Slaughter Hall, in the country, and best of all, they are a highly respected body, within the business.

The HSA is responsible, in the main, for the current slaughter conditions which are not just used in this country, but abroad too, amongst those who will listen. Whilst they lecture and teach, they also award scholarships for those who qualify.

As I've sat in judgement of the rspca, so I shall tomorrow make contact with the HSA, and ask for their opinions of the film which is on view. I'll admit that I'm surprised that they had so little apparent input into Turners.

For those with a sufficient interest, you will find their website to be informative.

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
Moomin1,

as a staunch supporter of the rspca, and their stance against the Heythrop, which you seem to support and applaud, I'm now wondering what your views are upon the now well publicised Equine Abattoir from Cheshire, where appalling lairage and slaughter conditions occur, and for horses.

Would you consider one to be worthy of rspca prosecution and not the other?

Would you agree that as there seems to be no political milage in the prosecution of abattoir owners, the workers involved, the State Veterinary Service and the Meat Hygiene Service, all of whom having failed their responsibilities abysmally, that the easiest rout is to pick upon those who whilst able to offer defence, simply can't afford to run the risk? Well, do you?

Alec.
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Oh dear, it would appear Alec you have jumped to a conclusion immediately, without getting facts straight first, wouldn't it?

And then, once you are corrected, you automatically jump back with the childish response of 'oh well, they are just doing it to make a noise and get publicity'! :rolleyes:

Just to also add, where have I ever 'applauded' or even discussed the Heythrop hunt case to any extent on this forum?! I actually haven't made that many comments at all about it.
 
Moomin1 said:
Police are responsible for any stray healthy animal that is loose on the public highway or in a public area.

They are responsible for ensuring that animal is removed from causing danger, and being in danger, to a suitable secure place. That can be anywhere, including somebody's garden. Once the police have secured that animal, it is the land owner's responsibility. If the animal is injured, the RSPCA will pay for treatment. If perfectly healthy, the horse is the responsibility of the land owner.

Tough. That is the law.

I get hacked off with people who fail to listen time and time again to people telling them what the law is.

I'm afraid, like it or not, that is the way it is.
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Wrong. The Police have no right or jurisdiction to place an animal upon the property of another, and then shift the responsibility for that animal upon that Land Owner.

From the statements of yours which I've highlighted, and from your strange and incorrect statement of "fact" (:D), the Police can find a horse, wandering about on a public highway, and open someone's garden gate, place the horse within, and the horse becomes the responsibility of the land owner.

I understand that you are tired of those who wont listen, but you may have a more willing audience, if you were certain of your facts.

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
Wrong. The Police have no right or jurisdiction to place an animal upon the property of another, and then shift the responsibility for that animal upon that Land Owner.

From the statements of yours which I've highlighted, and from your strange and incorrect statement of "fact" (:D), the Police can find a horse, wandering about on a public highway, and open someone's garden gate, place the horse within, and the horse becomes the responsibility of the land owner.

I understand that you are tired of those who wont listen, but you may have a more willing audience, if you were certain of your facts.

Alec.
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Carry on believing yourself dear.
 
RSPCA do not have to pay for treatment, it is their choice. I can give you an example TODAY of a staffie that was found, collected by the RSPCA, found to have a broken leg and was passed on to a pound who also did not want to pay for vet care. Ended up being exceedingly lucky by being rescued by a small animal rescue who paid for the op, and have given this boy a chance (he is called Alfie and from the photos, looks almost breed standard)
 
I'm tired of hearing yes it is, no it isn't type posts. I would like to know definitively, what the police's responsibility is towards loose horses on the highway. I might have a Google when i'm on a 'pooter to try to find an authority on it that I trust. I can't believe that the police can just dump a horse on another person's property and pass responsibility to someone else. I mean, that person may be banned from keeping horses, they could be disabled, they may not have the time, money, inclination, ability or knowledge to provide adequate care. :confused:
 
Here is a link which provides the OP with details of how to proceed with this if in England. Wales has just brought out new laws to deal with abandonment of horses. It's a long article but it gives advice on what to do and how to proceed in dealing with the situation. Apparently there is no case law hence no-one can categorically answer exactly what should be done.

http://www.redwings.org.uk/welfare-horse-care-advice-abandonment.php
 
The police's responsibility is to maintain public safety. A stray horse especially on the road is a public safety risk. If on the road it is highly liable to cause an accident. Therefore it is in the first instance the police's responsibility to remove that risk, not a charities. welfare wise, yes it could be argued in some of the circumstances the risk of injury of the road means it would fall under the animal welfare act in failure to protect from pain, injury, disease and/or suitable environment, and thereby the RSPCA could LEGALLY remove with POLICE. But also consider the Dartmoor and newforest where horses/ponies openly roam land which roads cross in considering this (am just saying not ALL situations would fall under the remit of a LEGAL removal under the animal welfare act). Also add in that there are thousands of "stray" horses across the UK, if the RSPCA picked up them all then bye bye RSPCA, they'd be broke within the month! Does our UK infrastructure have a replacement to the RSPCA standing by???

We debated this issue in either this thread or one or the other many RSPCA threads! And agreed it is a local council issue, the council own the land that these horses roam quite often and therefore have a responsibility to ensure safety to those using that land. Also consider if the RSPCA picked them all up, where would they put them all, At what cost, if the only solution were pts, can you imagine the public outcry??????
 
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Firstly this pony is not a stray he was dumped. UPDATE no owner has come forward
This means he was homeless until my friends offered him a place to go
The POLICE DO NOT have a place to take the pony
The RSPCA DID NOT offer him a place to go
As far as im aware councils in our area DONT have stables as we dont have as many dumped horses as some As i have said in a prevoius posts stray/dumped ponies fall into the gaps in the law so nobody is legally responsible
Some posters have moaned that i have not got insurance to move the pony and i moved him illegally as we didnt have a passport, so are you suggesting no one could move him
and he should of remained tied to the lampost until a passport was found
 
competitiondiva said:
The police's responsibility is to maintain public safety. A stray horse especially on the road is a public safety risk. If on the road it is highly liable to cause an accident. Therefore it is in the first instance the police's responsibility to remove that risk, not a charities. welfare wise, yes it could be argued in some of the circumstances the risk of injury of the road means it would fall under the animal welfare act in failure to protect from pain, injury, disease and/or suitable environment, and thereby the RSPCA could LEGALLY remove with POLICE. But also consider the Dartmoor and newforest where horses/ponies openly roam land which roads cross in considering this (am just saying not ALL situations would fall under the remit of a LEGAL removal under the animal welfare act). Also add in that there are thousands of "stray" horses across the UK, if the RSPCA picked up them all then bye bye RSPCA, they'd be broke within the month! Does our UK infrastructure have a replacement to the RSPCA standing by???

We debated this issue in either this thread or one or the other many RSPCA threads! And agreed it is a local council issue, the council own the land that these horses roam quite often and therefore have a responsibility to ensure safety to those using that land. Also consider if the RSPCA picked them all up, where would they put them all, At what cost, if the only solution were pts, can you imagine the public outcry??????
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This was also my understanding.

Having found a loose cow (don't ask) roaming around the road outside my house at 2am in the morning, I was told exactly that by the police, they were coming out but luckily I found the farmer who owned the cow first.
 
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