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rextherobber said:
I had a horse who did the same, it was definitely to harm or intimidate. I just did everything out in the yard, by a gate I could escape through or over, if necessary. I never punished or reacted at all to the horse, other than keeping on doing whatever I was doing . The horse stopped very quickly, and once I'd had her a while and she'd settled down and got used to me, she stopped. It was possibly a year before I would let her get between me and the stable door, but she gradually forgot , or came to realise I was not going to repeat whatever horror someone inflicted on her. I have never behaved to anything living, in the way that that woman did. (Though I have, once, to my shame, beaten the everlasting c%&p out if a computer printer...)
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So Birker sorted her horse out with one sharp poke in the ribs, and yours took a year before you felt she could be trusted not to squash you.

How your approach is better for either the handler or the horse escapes me, I'm afraid.
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Shilasdair said:
And if hunt sabs had been videoing you 'stabbing your horse with a pen' you'd have faced the same social media storm and dismissal that the teacher did.
After all the horse was just moving towards you to be friendly (as the horse in the video moved towards the person, too).

Now, I'm not disagreeing with what you did - but surely you can see the parallels?
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I disagree. Sure some of the hunt sabs and PETA types would probably still push that narrative, but I don't think it would be taken up online to the same extent and I don't believe it would impact their employment. Maybe I have too high a faith in humanity, but I think most people would see the difference even if not horsey.
 
Red-1 said:
I don't think what she did was right (in case anyone was unclear). But, I do believe in following the process of the law.

I am surprised she didn't resign. I would imagine that work would have been difficult to say the least.
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She may have done, reading the press release from the school. It is unclear whether she resigned with an agreed reference, whichis something that the unions negotiate relatively frequently, or was dismissed. If she was dismissed, I would thinkthat she would have a good case for ET (unfair dismissal). Either way, I wouldn't expect it will be difficult for her to find another teaching job in the current climate.
 
ycbm said:
So Birker sorted her horse out with one sharp poke in the ribs, and yours took a year before you felt she could be trusted not to squash you.

How your approach is better for either the handler or the horse escapes me, I'm afraid.
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She was the type to escalate things, not back down.
 
laura_nash said:
I disagree. Sure some of the hunt sabs and PETA types would probably still push that narrative, but I don't think it would be taken up online to the same extent and I don't believe it would impact their employment. Maybe I have too high a faith in humanity, but I think most people would see the difference even if not horsey.
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I think you are crediting the horse-loving public with too much sense - think of all the ponies being fed grass cuttings/carrots etc. Or demanding that fat hairy Shetlands are rugged/stabled.
 
Pearlsacarolsinger said:
Speaking of pedantry and being correct, you can't have 'a stimuli', it's a stimulus or several stimuli - just saying;)
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I've been trying really, really hard not to comment on the thread where someone announces they have 'brought a horse'.
'Brought it where'? I find myself thinking.
 
ycbm said:
Back we come on a circle to what is so damaging to society about social media witch hunts.

Punishment should fit a crime. In this case, the crime is so small that it would never make it into court, yet a woman has had her career destroyed and quite possibly her retirement too, as this will badly affect her pension. A life sentence for smacking a pony.
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Lots of sense in this post
 
Shilasdair said:
And if hunt sabs had been videoing you 'stabbing your horse with a pen' you'd have faced the same social media storm and dismissal that the teacher did.
After all the horse was just moving towards you to be friendly (as the horse in the video moved towards the person, too).

Now, I'm not disagreeing with what you did - but surely you can see the parallels?
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horses that move to squash you are not being friendly! how in earth can you think that.

i had a breaker recently who did that but avoided his attempts to squash while teaching him to move his quarters over, he is now ok

the pony in the video was allowing himself to be caught, many a person whose lost hold of horse would have kissed him on the nose, i know i would
 
And the moral of the whole sorry situation is, always remember that the world, his wife and his dog has a mobile phone capable of recording, photographing and monitoring ones every move, comment and action. The same mobile phone then has the capability of publishing its findings, to the entire worlds population in a nano second.

Lets hope no one recorded me bringing Ted over the field this evening and having to remind him, via the trusty blue pipe, that he walks nicely with me and does not imitate a tank stuck in fast forward mode because a) its rude and b) my wellies cannot keep up.

The lady in question is no threat to children, she does not have a criminal record, as she would never have got a job with children in the first place, or a multitude of other positions. She displayed inappropriate behaviour and a degree of abuse, not abject cruelty. The incident does not merit any legal action or court time, and for those of you baying for court action, do remember it is us, the tax payer, that foots the bill.

However, she has brought her place of employment into dispute, which is of note, especially in public service. Did the young woman deserve to lose her job ? no she did not and in other industries I doubt she would have lost her job. A formal written warning would have been appropriate and a decent manager looking after her going forwards. There are currently 1,219,000 job vacancies in the UK, lets hope she can work her way back up the ladder and provide for her family. Kicking a pony in a moment of uncontrolled temper does not warrant a public trial by social media and a destroyed career.
 
Cortez said:
Why should it concern you? If you think you can handle horses without recourse to the odd slap, go right ahead. Those of us over here in the real world will continue in the full realisation that occasionally you may have to resort to physical reprimand. The lady in the video was acting irrationally, nobody - not one person - has approved of what she was shown doing, but, along with the RSPCA (who know eff all about horse handling BTW) and the PC, many have stopped short of calling it horse abuse. I have seen real abuse: this wasn't that.
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to me it was abuse, a kind pony saying ``oops got loose, sorry here i am catch me `` gets wacked up the gob

it hurts me to watch that
 
Rowreach said:
And that, in a nutshell, is what some of us are concerned about.
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I must correct myself. Not anyone. Apparently it's alright to breach certain standards if you're a member of the Government. I don't condone what she did, and I wouldn't want her teaching my children (there is no place in education`for people with violent tempers). However, I don't agree with the trial by social media. The footage should have been sent privately to the employer imo.
 
Rowreach said:
And that, in a nutshell, is what some of us are concerned about.
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Yes, because in this instance those folk 'outing' this woman had an agenda that was and is hell bent on 'ruining' anyone involved in that particular activity. We all know we have seen similar unfortunate horse handling elsewhere but it is very rare for anyone to create a social media storm about those things (yet) even when there is wholehearted disapproval for those actions. This woman is absolutely a victim, not of her very poor horsemanship in this particular incident, but of the agenda of those filming her and starting a witch hunt.
 
Shilasdair said:
I know - and this is why you are nowhere near ready to buy your own horse.
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anyone who has achieved what millie did in getting cream on that horses ears has my admiration, she understands that patience and effort is sometimes rewarded.

it has no bearing on training a horse the two things are unrelated, the first is overcoming a phobia,ie the horse knows what is wanted but cannot comply, the second is communicating how you wish the horse to conduct itself
 
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