Sad end to a good month ;-(

Hats off to you Armas. You have addressed the problem early enough, ensured the best treatment by using the vet from the Cadre Noir - Saumur (That place is amazing!)
Best of luck and hopefully it will all be good news in the end.
 
Sorry to see your latest update. ( I posted on your other thread before seeing this one )
You've said a couple of times that you are worried you've missed something the vet has said due to language barrier? Is there anyone that can act as an interpreter for you either in a phone call or an email?
I don't have any experience of injections to the SI, but hopefully armas will make a trouble free recovery.
Kx
 
Armas said:
The vet also said to see how he goes its a very common problem in horses.
The vet would like to see him in a year to give a follow up examination unless there is any further deterioration, but with correct work and rehabilitation to build up the week areas in the back he has a good prognosis.
I also asked the vet could the resent work we have been doing harmed Armas he did not think it would have. I am just glad that this has been picked up and treated.
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See above I spoke to the vet today with a translator.

Circe said:
Sorry to see your latest update. ( I posted on your other thread before seeing this one )
You've said a couple of times that you are worried you've missed something the vet has said due to language barrier? Is there anyone that can act as an interpreter for you either in a phone call or an email?
I don't have any experience of injections to the SI, but hopefully armas will make a trouble free recovery.
Kx
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Armas said:
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Jealous perhaps ?
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I doubt it tbh Armas.

Its unfortunate Armas (the horse) is lame, but he has never been sound and a few hilighted this issue. I am glad you are seeking help, but it does seem you only listen to the view of people who coo over your horse....sorry if this sounds bitchy, not intended, just how things are start to come across.

As for SI issues, i would stop the intensive schooling as he hasnt the muscle to hold it atm and work on more correct work.
 
I think it is fair to say that Armas was pointed out as lame from his earlier videos - BEFORE BB started working with him, various posters were told to pipe down.... I know James will get him the best care but I am slightly miffed that it was felt that 'jealousy' or 'cattiness' were to blame for genuine concerns over his soundness from the beginning.
 
Billie1007 said:
I think it is fair to say that Armas was pointed out as lame from his earlier videos - BEFORE BB started working with him, various posters were told to pipe down.... I know James will get him the best care but I am slightly miffed that it was felt that 'jealousy' or 'cattiness' were to blame for genuine concerns over his soundness from the beginning.
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EXACTLY (worded better then me!)

I have gone through issues with ym mare of late, ii do feel the issues were ignored a little for the glamour of having a trainer train your horse to perform tricks, all of whcih were posted on a daily basis, and god forbid anyone spoke out against it!

Sorry, i really dont mean to be horrible, i am veyr sleep deprived, but i ALWAYS said he was lame, the owner didnt want to see it, and now he does? I dont buy it.
 
I think the thing here is Armas the person has yet to admit folk including myself have been banging in about this issue with Armas the hoss for a long time and now ATP is acting as if its a shock when actually it has been an oft discussed subject before during and after the intensive training that the horse was not right behind.

ATH is clearly a very willing and amiable chap and I am glad this is being treated now, hopefully it will resolve quickly.
 
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Sometimes the very best thing to do with a horse which has slight and undefined levelness problems (which is how I would view Armas' movement from the very beginning) is to work on until the question is either obvious or goes away, then fix it. If anything the movement improved throughout his recent training sessions, but if you have now pinpointed an area which needs addressing, well done you: I know you will follow through and continue to do your best for your horse. The unlevenless is not pronounced, you are addressing it - why are people being unpleasant?
 
Delicious D - I find it amazing that you have the cheek to say what you have said on this thread about Armas choosing to not listen to people about his lameness. How many times did you post pictures of your mare being ridden when she looked tense, tight, uncomfortable etc etc. Post about her bad behaviour and her bolting hence why you rode in a double, a LOADS of people told you she wasn't right but YOU continued on regardless. Double standards if I ever saw them!
 
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Delicious D - I find it amazing that you have the cheek to say what you have said on this thread about Armas choosing to not listen to people about his lameness. How many times did you post pictures of your mare being ridden when she looked tense, tight, uncomfortable etc etc. Post about her bad behaviour and her bolting hence why you rode in a double, a LOADS of people told you she wasn't right but YOU continued on regardless. Double standards if I ever saw them!
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I had vet after vet out for her though, and it was only since august she was lame and from that time she was under treatment.

Hardly double standards darling, but ive always enjoyed your contributions ;)
 
Whatever. You continue to live in your own little world where you know everything. It does make me laugh how up yourself you actually are!
 
Deseado said:
The unlevenless is not pronounced, you are addressing it - why are people being unpleasant?
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I suspect because people said the horse was unsound pretty much from Day 1. It was quite obvious to most that he was unsound TBH. The people who did say something to this effect were treated in a very rude manner imo so perhaps they are justified in mentioning it now? I don't think they're being unpleasant, and certainly not in the league to how some of the followers treated them. I didn't get involved in the conversations but it doesn't mean that others like me didn't see what was going on. I think the people mentioning that they always said the horse was unsound are justified.
 
FGS - there is a horse that may be struggling with pain issues here, and the owner is asking for support - rings any bloody bells. Totally disgusted with some of you. :confused:
 
SM - but really he is just looking for only certain people to say what he wants to hear...or at least thats how it comes across.

He made a very nasty thread about a dear friend on mine. It backfired and he was banned for it. Did he care? No, he was smug as ever.
 
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Delicious D - I find it amazing that you have the cheek to say what you have said on this thread about Armas choosing to not listen to people about his lameness. How many times did you post pictures of your mare being ridden when she looked tense, tight, uncomfortable etc etc. Post about her bad behaviour and her bolting hence why you rode in a double, a LOADS of people told you she wasn't right but YOU continued on regardless. Double standards if I ever saw them!
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This - totally. Ilovefoals you have put it very well.

I have no axe to grind with either of the posters (Arma and Delicious D), it is clear you both love your horses very much and think the world of them. But there is/was post after post of photos/videos etc about them and all were asking for positive feedback about how amazing their horses are. Many of us have horses and we all adore them (well most!) in their own special way. But we don't post daily posts expecting positive feedback. If you stick stuff on what is a public forum, you need to accept (and acknowledge) the good with the bad. Sorry, I rarely post like this, but it's been brewing for a while. :o
 
Hmmm, well there is a difference between unsound and unlevel, and often the only way to sort out unleveleness is to keep b*ggering on until it's identifiable - which is how I'd quantify this situation. Oh, and SI seems to be the new "in" problem; kissing spines is SO last year.
 
Delicious_D said:
I doubt it tbh Armas.

Its unfortunate Armas (the horse) is lame, but he has never been sound and a few hilighted this issue. I am glad you are seeking help, but it does seem you only listen to the view of people who coo over your horse....sorry if this sounds bitchy, not intended, just how things are start to come across.

As for SI issues, i would stop the intensive schooling as he hasnt the muscle to hold it atm and work on more correct work.
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Delicious_D said:
EXACTLY (worded better then me!)

I have gone through issues with ym mare of late, ii do feel the issues were ignored a little for the glamour of having a trainer train your horse to perform tricks, all of whcih were posted on a daily basis, and god forbid anyone spoke out against it!

Sorry, i really dont mean to be horrible, i am veyr sleep deprived, but i ALWAYS said he was lame, the owner didnt want to see it, and now he does? I dont buy it.
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When I bought Armas he was vetted no reported issues when he arrived in France he was vetted again six months ago he saw a very good vet / osteopath no issues major issues found just a slight adjustment in his back.
On Monday he saw a VET / sacrocranial osteopath who gave him a treatment and told me to let him rest for two days after the treatment he would be fine. I was not happy with this diagnosis thus booked in to the best clinic in France. The problem was only properly identified and confirmed by an ultrasound.
So I am not sure what more I could have done. Delicia you are not a vet nor am I hence I choose to follow the vets advice.
As per my previous post I will be following the rehabilitation plan given to me by the VET. Every horse is different. The vet does not think that I will need to see him for another year unless there is a change in Armas health.
In regard to my training over the last month. I do not consider half pass working long and low trying to get his posterior more in engagement tricks.
Nor is Spanish walk considered a trick to those that understand and appreciate the breed which clearly you do not.
 
nikicb said:
This - totally. Ilovefoals you have put it very well.

I have no axe to grind with either of the posters (Arma and Delicious D), it is clear you both love your horses very much and think the world of them. But there is/was post after post of photos/videos etc about them and all were asking for positive feedback about how amazing their horses are. Many of us have horses and we all adore them (well most!) in their own special way. But we don't post daily posts expecting positive feedback. If you stick stuff on what is a public forum, you need to accept (and acknowledge) the good with the bad. Sorry, I rarely post like this, but it's been brewing for a while. :o
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Oh i accept that, and i dont post daily updates ;)

Its a forum, and a FAB source of info! But is a forum, and also sometimes peoples opinions mean nothign to me..and some have ulterior motives ;).

I accept when i post a thread, i will get good and bad, i used to hate it, i dont any more :).
 
Well I am bowing out, but i wish both Armas and Dee the very best. Both very special, beautiful horses, but I'm out of my depth. My only problem is that my pony likes to carry sticks in his gob. x
 
Spring Feather said:
I suspect because people said the horse was unsound pretty much from Day 1. It was quite obvious to most that he was unsound TBH. The people who did say something to this effect were treated in a very rude manner imo so perhaps they are justified in mentioning it now? I don't think they're being unpleasant, and certainly not in the league to how some of the followers treated them. I didn't get involved in the conversations but it doesn't mean that others like me didn't see what was going on. I think the people mentioning that they always said the horse was unsound are justified.
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dito :)
we all make mistakes though and hopefully learn from them
i'm sure armas is wishing he'd investigated the horses soundness before continuing with the intense training course
i do hope the injections work and he comes sound , he obviously means a lot to the op
 
Armas, all of that is fairly moot. More than ten people (guestimate) looked at your horse and said he didn't look level or sound, I was one of them and it was very early on. You chose to ignore it because you thought you knew your horse better. If one, just one, person told me - after seeing a video or in real life that they felt my horse looked unsound I would investigate it, firstly by getting the opinion of others I respect and going from there. You pooh poohed our opinion and curtly thanked us to keep them to ourselves I seem to remember! You don't have to be a vet to spot a short horse, I could see he wasn't right behind and I am a first horse owner!
 
Armas said:
When I bought Armas he was vetted no reported issues when he arrived in France he was vetted again six months ago he saw a very good vet / osteopath no issues major issues found just a slight adjustment in his back.
On Monday he saw a VET / sacrocranial osteopath who gave him a treatment and told me to let him rest for two days after the treatment he would be fine. I was not happy with this diagnosis thus booked in to the best clinic in France. The problem was only properly identified and confirmed by an ultrasound.
So I am not sure what more I could have done. Delicia you are not a vet nor am I hence I choose to follow the vets advice.
As per my previous post I will be following the rehabilitation plan given to me by the VET. Every horse is different. The vet does not think that I will need to see him for another year unless there is a change in Armas health.
In regard to my training over the last month. I do not consider half pass working long and low trying to get his posterior more in engagement tricks.
Nor is Spanish walk considered a trick to those that understand and appreciate the breed which clearly you do not.
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Really :rolleyes:. Half pass showed his issues more then anything else. I feel the horse wasnt strong enough for you to attempt spanish walk. I stand by that statement.

I understand you had vetting, and sometimes its really hard to diagnose any issues, especially in a horse you are new to owning. However, like me, you did get told early on something was not right, and instead of taking it graciously, you attacked a few of the individuals who have posted on here. Not cool. The long and low however, isnt engaging him, his hind legs are training behind. Pole work and lunging in a pessoa will help him to use himself properly.

My names Rachel, not delicia, and no i am not a vet, i never professed to be. But neither are any of the posts replying and i didnt realise you only want vets opinions when you posted on here in the first place...
 
Shysmum said:
Well I am bowing out, but i wish both Armas and Dee the very best. Both very special, beautiful horses, but I'm out of my depth. My only problem is that my pony likes to carry sticks in his gob. x
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Dee does this! Does your carry it like a puppy? Dee will walk around and stand looking veyr content, with a stick in her mouth :D

However, she wont play fetch :mad:
 
Deseado - I am a one horse/first horse owner. My horse has never been lame. I spotted Armas was lame within watching a few mins of the first vid. It can't have been that slight....
 
SM - who are you disgusted by? I am feeling pretty sore that an owner ignored several posters who suggested that Armas needed to see a vet five weeks ago.
 
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