seems my 50 pence worth wasn't far wrong..

I feel very sorry for both kirstie and her mum what a complete waste of life.
I hope Mr foster has his meeting with the devil himself seems he likes fire. !!!

but what really gets me is WTF did the poor horses and dogs have to do with it ??? what had they done to deserve to die !!!

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I'd have to agree with the sentiments of Shils and others who have just been astounded by the level of arrogance and cold murderous behaviour demonstrated by this man. Had he just taken his own life I could have sympathised that for him personally it all got too much - it gets too much for all of us at times. But to deny his young daughter any chance of forging a path of her own, whatever that may have been, is despicable.
 
everything i have read one says it has not been confirmed that the third body is the daughter, in the cctv police strongly believe it was the husband not it is definate and they suspect he did it not he has done it which to me says they dont have hard facts but speculation so rather than accusing i think we should wait for the full story, for all we know they could have all been in on it and we will never know exactly what happened
 
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everything i have read one says it has not been confirmed that the third body is the daughter, in the cctv police strongly believe it was the husband not it is definate and they suspect he did it not he has done it which to me says they dont have hard facts but speculation so rather than accusing i think we should wait for the full story, for all we know they could have all been in on it and we will never know exactly what happened

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Are you seriously suggesting that the third body is some random stranger, given that poor Kirstie is missing? Or that Mr Foster's elderly relatives (who identified him from CCTV) were mistaken, and it's some other, remarkably similar chap who happened to be going on a fire and gun rampage at their house? Or that a 15yr old girl who has made a pact to die with her parents, would be enjoying a BBQ and chatting cheerfully online minutes beforehand?
Sometimes I am mystified by why people make excuses for evil people like Chris Foster - all the 'he was sick', 'you don't know what you would have done', 'maybe it was a random hitman' nonsense.
Well, I do know that in his position, I'd do my best to sort out my finances honourably, without hurting anyone.
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i'm with you on that, S. i can't believe people sympathising with him either, or trying to make excuses. there is absolutely no excuse for cold-blooded murder and slaughter. he was welcome to take his own life, but not anyone (or anything) else's. What he did was megalomaniacal and unjustifiable in any possibly way. i feel just as sorry for his poor wife as i do for his daughter. i can't think of a word bad enough for him. hope he's suffering in hell for what he did, and i really do mean that.
 
I've spent days trying to get my head around all this and I'm still horrified by it all... I keep trying to rationalise it... It would "appear" that he was protecting his family by his actions... then I think of what he's protecting them from - the bailiffs were due... all reading this... try and imagine how you would feel if your OH or dad got into financial trouble and unbeknown to you a horsebox pulls up your drive...big burly men get out and start loading up YOUR horses... YOUR dogs... removing YOUR cars... taking away YOUR personal belongings... the material things wouldn't worry you - but the animals are your family - your life... how devastating would that be? Don't all jump on me and tell me I'm condoning what he's done...I'm not (FAR from it I think he's an evil sick-headed selfish dick but that's another thread!) but I do feel for the whole situation - and I think that people should step back and think how devastated you'd feel watching your horse being taken away from you and there being nothing you can do...
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There is no excuse for this, noone has the right to control and hurt others. In my limited opinion this is the most extreme form of domestic abuse typified by the controlling and self obsessed behaviour perpetrators of domestic abuse exhibit. It did however make me stop and think about how this is the extreme end of a continum - many families experience behaviours which are just slightly down the level from this every day.
 
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I've spent days trying to get my head around all this and I'm still horrified by it all... I keep trying to rationalise it... It would "appear" that he was protecting his family by his actions... then I think of what he's protecting them from - the bailiffs were due... all reading this... try and imagine how you would feel if your OH or dad got into financial trouble and unbeknown to you a horsebox pulls up your drive...big burly men get out and start loading up YOUR horses... YOUR dogs... removing YOUR cars... taking away YOUR personal belongings... the material things wouldn't worry you - but the animals are your family - your life... how devastating would that be? Don't all jump on me and tell me I'm condoning what he's done...I'm not (FAR from it I think he's an evil sick-headed selfish dick but that's another thread!) but I do feel for the whole situation - and I think that people should step back and think how devastated you'd feel watching your horse being taken away from you and there being nothing you can do...
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Right, are you honestly telling me, that rather than watch your horse going off to a decent future with someone else, that you would shoot it (probably badly), and burn it? And your dogs too?
I am sure that some reports said that Chris Foster had just bought a new horse....instant love there, then?
And I find your phrase 'Take a step back' slightly disingenous as it implies that I, and the others who condemn this murderer, can't see the big picture, whereas I feel you don't understand it.
The point is, they were not THEIR horses, THEIR dogs, THEIR cars, THEIR personal belongings; they belonged to the poor people who lent this dishonest git money. It is the equivalent of me stealing your horse, shooting it and setting fire to it.
In reality, I can't think of a single creditor who would take a dog from someone...and usually courts are careful not to leave families with children destitute.
He had no excuse.
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well, i'd rather watch my home, horses and dogs being taken away from me, than get shot in the back of the head and be cheated of the rest of my life. most people cope with the **** life throws at them, if they get the chance.
there was a mention in the press that his wife had just received a substantial inheritance, did anyone else see that? if so, it makes what he did even worse, if possible.
 
I am sure many people would feel dreadful if they were in that situation; however these things happen and many people lose things dear to them but they survive and recover.

I imagine most people would find their belongings and animals being taken away a bit more palatable than being killed.
 
The whole thing is horrific. Imo he is / was a complete b@@sta@d. I cannot comprehend anything so bad that he should shoot dead his 15 year old daughter depriving her of a full normal lifespan. What an evil evil Git
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I've spent days trying to get my head around all this and I'm still horrified by it all... I keep trying to rationalise it... It would "appear" that he was protecting his family by his actions... then I think of what he's protecting them from - the bailiffs were due... all reading this... try and imagine how you would feel if your OH or dad got into financial trouble and unbeknown to you a horsebox pulls up your drive...big burly men get out and start loading up YOUR horses... YOUR dogs... removing YOUR cars... taking away YOUR personal belongings... the material things wouldn't worry you - but the animals are your family - your life... how devastating would that be? Don't all jump on me and tell me I'm condoning what he's done...I'm not (FAR from it I think he's an evil sick-headed selfish dick but that's another thread!) but I do feel for the whole situation - and I think that people should step back and think how devastated you'd feel watching your horse being taken away from you and there being nothing you can do...
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I don't need to take a step back.

Plenty of people have lost everything due to the recession - their homes, their cars, their horses and more, but they don't massacre their families and animals.
Atm there are something like 100 house repossessions each week in the UK, and countless more people who have bailiffs calling, and every person involved, is going to feel the devastation of losing their belongings and personal possessions.

Chris Foster was in financial difficulty some time ago, but rather than rein in his lavish spending and downsize his 'empire' when he had the opportunity, he began syphoning off company assets and continued living a fantasy that he could not afford, plunging himself into deeper and deeper debt.

Some people seem to be misguidedly thinking that he somehow 'saved' his animals by killing them. How do these people explain him torching his collection of cars? And what about the coldly calculating way he blocked access to the property with his horsebox (even going as far as to shoot the tyres to prevent it being moved) so that nothing could be salvaged?

IMHO, he acted out of arrogance and spite. If I can't have it, nobody else can.
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I'm sure they would - that isn't in doubt.. I was just looking at the alternative and imagining how it feels - I know a lot of people who would die for their animals...
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I couldn't agree with you more Dubs.. he was arrogant and self-centred... I was merely trying to understand why that's all - Perhaps we shouldn't try to reason and wonder why - we should just put it down to the fact that he was a controlling obsessive cold-blooded murderer and leave it at that...
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I would die FOR my animals (as in, i'd go into a fire to try to save them), but i'd rather not die along with them because some seflish **** has decided i should. how ******* DARE he make that assumption on behalf of his poor wife and daughter. he didn't 'save' any of them... quite the opposite.
 
What a shame they had to in the first place. I often wish you could bring these people back for just five mins so they can see the devastation they cause.
 
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I couldn't agree with you more Dubs.. he was arrogant and self-centred... I was merely trying to understand why that's all - Perhaps we shouldn't try to reason and wonder why - we should just put it down to the fact that he was a controlling obsessive cold-blooded murderer and leave it at that...
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Oh I have reasoned and wondered why.
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Maesbrook is not that far from us, so as you can imagine, the local press and local people have been totally absorbed in this case, and believe me, EVERY scenario possible has been considered, so I haven't formed my opinion lightly or without due consideration.

But yes, 'controlling obsessive cold-blooded murderer' does it for me.
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When you've finished slating me Shilasdair.. perhaps you would read my post again?
Where on EARTH did I put that I condoned it???
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- I said quote "I keep trying to rationalise it" I also said not to jump on me that I wasn't condoning it - just trying to bloody figure it out... I find your post rather rude to be honest! In the grown up world the horses belonged to the creditors... but would a 15yo girl understand that? and in NO WAY am I saying what he did was right... you don't know me very well to think that I would think that - All I was doing was trying to think how horrid it would be to have your horse taken away (and if they had expensive dogs (ie shooting/hunting dogs) then believe me they'd take them and sell them on too!
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) Where did you hear me say that it was ok for him to do it as he was sick/mentally ill etc etc etc? I didn't - In fact my post read that I thought he was an "evil sick-headed selfish dick - and by saying "take a step back" I didn't mean to patronise people I just meant to say how horrid it must be to have your things repossessed when you're only 15 yo and you rely on your father to look after you - but... as a mother I don't understand how he could do it... the normal reaction is to walk over hot coals to save your family
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Sorry - my choice of phrase wasn't the best was it - That's what I meant... I know people who'd jump into a frozen lake to save their dogs.. pull their horse from a burning stable etc.. He took away their choice because deep down it was HIM who couldn't bear to watch it all taken away from him
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Her friends have made a lovely tribute to Kirstie on You Tube.

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That just made me cry.
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My Immortal is one of my alltime favourite songs anyway, so as soon as I heard it and saw the first couple of pics, I was filling up.

Seeing her like that suddenly made her even more real, and because of that, made her death all the more tragic.
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I don't know about you Dubs but I just keep wondering if she could've been a member on here.. It could've been any one of us chatting away and then disappearing .. It is heartbreaking
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Sometimes I am mystified by why people make excuses for evil people like Chris Foster - all the 'he was sick' nonsense.

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There is not a question in my mind that he must have been a sick man to do what he did. No person of sound mind would be capable of such a thing.

If he had destroyed everything around him and then taken off I could easily believe it was pure evil-minded arrogance and spite, but as he took his own life too, I think they are the actions of a man who has truely lost his grip on reality. What he did is despicable beyond belief, and not excusable in any way at all, but I don't think his actions add up to those of a rational minded killer.

The whole thing is just unbelievably horrific, I feel sickened by the thought of it and my heart goes out to the innocent victims of this stupid, selfish, delusional man.
 
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I don't know about you Dubs but I just keep wondering if she could've been a member on here.. It could've been any one of us chatting away and then disappearing .. It is heartbreaking
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Blimey, I hadn't thought of that Kate, but I suppose it must be a possibility as she really loved her horses.
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Sometimes I am mystified by why people make excuses for evil people like Chris Foster - all the 'he was sick' nonsense.

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There is not a question in my mind that he must have been a sick man to do what he did. No person of sound mind would be capable of such a thing.

If he had destroyed everything around him and then taken off I could easily believe it was pure evil-minded arrogance and spite, but as he took his own life too, I think they are the actions of a man who has truely lost his grip on reality. What he did is despicable beyond belief, and not excusable in any way at all, but I don't think his actions add up to those of a rational minded killer.

The whole thing is just unbelievably horrific, I feel sickened by the thought of it and my heart goes out to the innocent victims of this stupid, selfish, delusional man.

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I completely agree with this Spiral, he was sick and delusional but not necessarily evil. This does not make what he did right but stupid, selfish and delusional just about sums him up
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