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Hi everyone,

I've recently bought a just come three year old filly from an online auction. I hope to have her broken next year but a large part of how I justified her remote purchase is her excellent breeding. We will certainly hope to do an embryo transfer in her future.

Her seller (not the auction, the owner who is still in possession of her) has now asked if I would mind if she flushed an embryo from her before we have her collected. My gut reaction on this is not great, but I'd love to know what anyone else might think. I'm not concerned about them having a foal from her re: breeding rights and appreciate they asked rather than just doing it. But I'm also not wild about messing with her hormones at 2.5 yrs old. I get this is fairly standard procedure in the breeding + sporthorse world but it wouldn't have been my choice for her, so I now find myself either disappointing someone or putting this filly through exams, insemination (AI), and flushing, and waiting an extra several weeks to have her shipped to us all while we legally own her with no recourse should anything go wrong.

Is there anything diplomatic I can suggest, like an embryo in the future when/if we ourselves decide to do this? Am I overthinking/anthropomorphising and should just let them get on with it? The fact I'm even posting here is a pretty good indicator that I'm not ok with it and should probably go with my gut, but I wonder if (m)any of you would see no issue in granting this request?
 
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Just say no. I would too. I'm not sure how risky the procedure is but presumably it adds some risks for the mare. If it delays delivery to you also then that would be a definite no for the same reason. They should have thought of that before and made it part of the terms of the sale if that is what they wanted.
 
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Equi said:
No. If they are dead interested they can wait and buy one later from you.
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This - offer them the option to buy one when you potentially do it in the future and get your mare here ASAP. I see your point about them asking being a good thing, but I also think it’s quite cheeky. They’ve suddenly just realised what they had I’d say ?
 
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I'd feel exactly the way you are feeling, brightlights. And I'd be on here asking exactly what to say to 'get out of it'. (For I would feel hemmed in.)

Hmm, this makes a mockery of what I often believe: it doesn't hurt to ask. Sometimes it does hurt. I think it's both rude and thoughtless of the seller to put you in this position of having to decline their wish.
 
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Meowy Catkin said:
This is my second shock of the night on the forum (after the crazy mannequin party on the 'house' thread) - everyone is in agreement that you should say no to this request and I think that speaks volumes. The seller is being a cheeky sod to say the least.
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OK I'm intreagued now. I've searched and can't find a post about a crazy mannequin party. Where is it?
 
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'I'm sorry but that's not something I'm prepared to do at the moment. I would be open to discussing first refusal on the first embryo we flush to sell from her when I do begin this process. My intention is to give her a little more time to mature before starting this process.'

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hobo said:
NO NO where is the filly I hope you have her away from them I would lose all trust in them now. Please move her as soon as possible.
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Thank you for your concern. She’s on the continent (why am I paranoid they’ll find this post?! o_O) but I’ve arranged transportation for her this weekend. I’m keeping in touch with them and will ask a contact in the country to grab her for me sooner if needed. At this point, I don’t think they’d have time to bring her into season, inseminate, and flush, and they haven’t given me (further) cause to worry since the conversation. Safe to say I’m anxious to get her now. It’s unfortunate, too, as I would have loved to keep her on livery with them for another month or two as transportation industry is unsettled and EHV is a concern.
 
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ruth83 said:
'I'm sorry but that's not something I'm prepared to do at the moment. I would be open to discussing first refusal on the first embryo we flush to sell from her when I do begin this process. My intention is to give her a little more time to mature before starting this process.'

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Thank you, this was nearly my response verbatim :)
 
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Lois Lame said:
I'd feel exactly the way you are feeling, brightlights. And I'd be on here asking exactly what to say to 'get out of it'. (For I would feel hemmed in.)

Hmm, this makes a mockery of what I often believe: it doesn't hurt to ask. Sometimes it does hurt. I think it's both rude and thoughtless of the seller to put you in this position of having to decline their wish.
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Yes, you nailed it. This is why I struggled a bit through my initial reaction. I could tell in how she discussed her that the sale was a business decision and they were very fond of her. I would probably have felt similarly and wished I’d flushed an embryo or made a provision for that in the future. But I would never have asked :oops:

I wish it weren’t the case that I nearly always regret coming into these relationships in an open or welcoming manner. On the flip side, it helps me not take it as personally when people are terse and guarded :rolleyes: A bit naive of me maybe to think we all love and want to talk about our horses similarly when there’s money involved
 
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Gingerwitch said:
Glad you have sorted it out. Will she need to quarantine in the uk ?
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Officially in any kind of enforced way, no, I don't think so. I will be doing so at our yard and will have her swabbed before she meets her new friends. I had mine vaccinated last week, as was she upon sale, but worryingly, this may make them all more vulnerable in the short term o_O
 
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The vaccine doesn’t work on the neurological ehv, so fingers crossed it all goes smoothly! Very looking forward to pictures ?
 
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