Selling pony??

[eventingcrystal]

looking to sell my 13.2 welsh D X Arab. Very sweet mare with potential to be a very good hunter or eventer. Only issue is she has many problems with jumping especially only being 5. Flatwork is coming ok very nicely especially in trot. Unfortunately I want to event next season but she is not quite ready so I am selling her! What price range would I sell her in? Bought her for £1000, since then she has jumped 85, working in an outline, cantered properly for the first time, done her first proper jumps but there are lots of problems with jumping!! I was thinking £3.5k or is this too much?? I need money for another horse so I can’t be too generous.

 

[eventingcrystal]

Also just to add, she hasn’t done any road hacking the past 4 months but has hunted twice as a 4 year old. Not the most confident but is getting much better, she is slightly head shy (not sure why, she’s also gotten much better though). Also, if anyone knows of 14-14.2 event pony for full loan or sale under 3k it could help me out so much!!!

 

[AmyMay]

£800-1000

 

[eventingcrystal]

£800-1000

Thank you but I would never sell a horse that cheap. I bought her for 1k and she had never even been schooled once in her life and didn’t even know how to trot without following another horse. I was thinking 2.5k the lowest

 

[AmyMay]

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[P.forpony]

Sorry I know it’s not what you want to hear but amymay is right.

A 5yr old pony with issues will be difficult to sell and not worth very much money.

If you’re determined to event next year you may just have to cut your losses, or wait a year and use it to work on the pony you have until she’s capable of doing what you want, or more saleable at the price you need.

 

[Sail_away]

3.5k is far too much even in the current market. Unfortunately she is too small to interest most adults and people tend to want sensible, honest jumpers for their children.
The thing is - when you bought her she was a ‘potential’ eventer. Now she’s been proven not to jump well. So although she’s had some value added with the schooling she’s had it taken away with the jumping issues. If you think she’d hunt well could you hunt her gently over winter and think about selling in the spring? In the hopes that the hunting would both increase her confidence jumping and value.

 

[scats]

I think you could maybe try at £1500 or £1850 at a push but I would say £1200 is a more realistic figure for what you have described.

 

[EllenJay]

What are her jumping "issues"? Especially if you are marketing her as an everter/hunter - both which need the ability to jump

 

[AmyMay]

I’m curious as to why you think she’s worth £2.5k. She’s green, doesn’t jump and is terrified of cars, so presumably doesn’t hack. Also at 13.2 what market are you aiming her at?

 

[ycbm]

You have all winter to teach her to jump if you want to event next year. I'm really sorry but if you told me that as a buyer I would assume that there is something wrong with her. I wouldn't even answer an advert.
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[05jackd]

I think the value would depend on what the ‘jumping problems’ are.

If it’s that shes honest but just knocks a couple of poles due to lack of experience and general strength then that would be very different to a pony that’s putting in lots of last minute stops and wouldn’t necessarily be what parents would want for their child.

It sounds like she’s improved and on the right track so maybe a winter bringing on could build on this and she would be more saleable in the spring when (in a normal year) prices improve.

 

[MummyEms]

I used to bring on produce and sell.
Would you mind elaborating on the jumping issues? Could she be a reliable v low level pony club pony, jumping around 70cm max happily??

 

[MummyEms]

Orrery polish up the flatwork and sell as a dressage pony. Is she polite to do and kind??

 

[MuddyMonster]

As she is, I agred probably around £1000.

Her size is limiting. At 13.2hh unless she's a chunky native sort, she's likely to be too small for a lot of adult riders but it sounds like she might be too much of a project for most children.

As LP said - she's no longer has 'raw potential' but she's got proven 'issues' which will take a new owner time and money to unravel and lower her price. She also has issues on the ground - headshy - so again, limits her market.

If she has potential to make a dressage pony I'd concentrate on her flatwork and see if you can get here out to dressage competitions (hard at the moment I appreciate) or even online dressage competitions to get some kind of results to show her dressage potential. I'd get her hacking out too, as most people do want to be able to hack - even just around the block once a week.

 

[eventingcrystal]

I’m curious as to why you think she’s worth £2.5k. She’s green, doesn’t jump and is terrified of cars, so presumably doesn’t hack. Also at 13.2 what market are you aiming her at?

She has exceptional breeding, isn’t scared of cars but doesn’t like farm machinery due to not seeing it often. I don’t road hack her because it is dangerous where I live. She jumps but only low (60) and with a patient rider.

 

[eventingcrystal]

Orrery polish up the flatwork and sell as a dressage pony. Is she polite to do and kind??

I was thinking this but she wouldn’t enjoy pure dressage unfortunately

 

[eventingcrystal]

What are her jumping "issues"? Especially if you are marketing her as an everter/hunter - both which need the ability to jump

She would be fine hunting because she’s following other horses. She gets worried due to a few experiences where I’ve messed up the lines multiple times so she’s got a confidence knock

 

[eventingcrystal]

I used to bring on produce and sell.
Would you mind elaborating on the jumping issues? Could she be a reliable v low level pony club pony, jumping around 70cm max happily??

She has had multiple confidence knocks (will be completely honest, they are my fault due to bad lines setup). She gets very worried about that

 

[eventingcrystal]

As she is, I agred probably around £1000.

Her size is limiting. At 13.2hh unless she's a chunky native sort, she's likely to be too small for a lot of adult riders but it sounds like she might be too much of a project for most children.

As LP said - she's no longer has 'raw potential' but she's got proven 'issues' which will take a new owner time and money to unravel and lower her price. She also has issues on the ground - headshy - so again, limits her market.

If she has potential to make a dressage pony I'd concentrate on her flatwork and see if you can get here out to dressage competitions (hard at the moment I appreciate) or even online dressage competitions to get some kind of results to show her dressage potential. I'd get her hacking out too, as most people do want to be able to hack - even just around the block once a week.[/QUOTE
I wouldn’t even allow her to go to an adult anyway. She would be going to a teenager (ideally 13-16) who hunt or event so they would have plenty of experience. I have thought about the dressage but she wouldn’t enjoy pure dressage

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

She has had multiple confidence knocks (will be completely honest, they are my fault due to bad lines setup). She gets very worried about that

So actually you have devalued her, if we are being totally honest. You certainly haven't tripled her value. Perhaps you should consider schooling livery for her.

 

[HappyHollyDays]

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[BronsonNutter]

Are you in Carmarthenshire? (I remember the post asking about gallops etc) - if so would she make a decent mounted games pony? Games is reallyyyy popular down there.

If she wouldn’t then I would personally persevere over the winter with some lessons (I used to take my ‘naughty’ jumper to Johnathon Pett who was fab with him) and then see how you feel come spring, which would be a better time to sell.

 

[brighteyes]

A 5yo with jumping issues sounds like some cock-up in the basics, which need to be re-established for her to have any hope of getting a good home, whatever price. Use the winter to take her back to the start and invest in some proper training with her. Arab x Welsh isn't my idea of sensible before we even start, but I guess there was a reason for that pairing... 85cm is big enough and I'd expect she is rushing out of nerves and fear.

 

[eventingcrystal]

So actually you have devalued her, if we are being totally honest. You certainly haven't tripled her value. Perhaps you should consider schooling livery for her.

No, I haven’t devalued her at all. It was 3 times where I set up a bad distance, literally everyone rider does that at least once in a ride. All she has to do was jump slightly deep, but she seemed to be very unhappy about it

 

[eventingcrystal]

A 5yo with jumping issues sounds like some cock-up in the basics, which need to be re-established for her to have any hope of getting a good home, whatever price. Use the winter to take her back to the start and invest in some proper training with her. Arab x Welsh isn't my idea of sensible before we even start, but I guess there was a reason for that pairing... 85cm is big enough and I'd expect she is rushing out of nerves and fear.

Yeah I agree the pairing wasn’t the best, the owner I bought her from (also her breeder) had a welsh D and an Arab who were both very good breeding so I guess she just went for it? Not really sure if I’m honest

 

[ycbm]

No, I haven’t devalued her at all. It was 3 times where I set up a bad distance, literally everyone rider does that at least once in a ride. All she has to do was jump slightly deep, but she seemed to be very unhappy about it

I'm sorry but you have. An untried horse with that elusive "potential" has never failed at anything and is worth more because of that.

Your pony is scared jumping and won't do pure dressage, so you have lost that untried potential.

She is currently probably worth less than you paid for her. That's the harsh reality I'm afraid.

 

[shortstuff99]

If you don't agree with the prices given here and you have a figure in mind put an advert up with the price you want and see if she sells. If she does great, if she doesn't well then you will either need to drop the price or provide more training.

 

[P.forpony]

Ok I’m struggling with this one a bit.
I think you need to read through all of this a few times and have a think.

You sound fairly young, (I don’t mean to be patronising here) but it may well be a good learning experience.

The pony has jumping problems you say were caused by an error on your part.
Yes everyone makes mistakes, no one will blame you for them if you’re learning from it.
But it doesn’t change the end result, that the pony now has problems, which lower her value.
It’s a very big ask to expect a green youngster to ‘jump a bit deep’ to cover for your error, and 85cm is also pretty substantial for a 13.2 that has only been in work for a year.
So perhaps your expectations might need reassessing.

You mentioned exceptional breeding, that to most people with ponies means registered with their breed society, preferably with grading/assessments carried out by inspections, recorded in their passports and studbooks. Both parents proven in their respective disciplines.
As a part bred, unless both dam and sire are world class with competition wins to prove it then her breeding adds no value. You also say the pairing isn’t the best.

I hunt a pony and wouldn’t be at all comfortable relying on following someone else to get us through the day.

She wouldn’t be happy doing pure dressage and you wouldn’t allow her to go to an adult.

From your description it seems like you have a project that will need a lot of time and money investing in her, and a rather small group of people to market her to.

A horse with no experience has no negative experiences, that is why they are worth more than horses with issues or problems.

You posted asking for people’s advice, which has been freely given.

My usual method is to honestly write a list of good/bad points about the pony, and then decide, when it’s written down in black and white, how much you would pay if someone offered you the same thing?

 

[eventingcrystal]

Ok I’m struggling with this one a bit.
I think you need to read through all of this a few times and have a think.

You sound fairly young, (I don’t mean to be patronising here) but it may well be a good learning experience.

The pony has jumping problems you say were caused by an error on your part.
Yes everyone makes mistakes, no one will blame you for them if you’re learning from it.
But it doesn’t change the end result, that the pony now has problems, which lower her value.
It’s a very big ask to expect a green youngster to ‘jump a bit deep’ to cover for your error, and 85cm is also pretty substantial for a 13.2 that has only been in work for a year.
So perhaps your expectations might need reassessing.

You mentioned exceptional breeding, that to most people with ponies means registered with their breed society, preferably with grading/assessments carried out by inspections, recorded in their passports and studbooks. Both parents proven in their respective disciplines.
As a part bred, unless both dam and sire are world class with competition wins to prove it then her breeding adds no value. You also say the pairing isn’t the best.

I hunt a pony and wouldn’t be at all comfortable relying on following someone else to get us through the day.

She wouldn’t be happy doing pure dressage and you wouldn’t allow her to go to an adult.

From your description it seems like you have a project that will need a lot of time and money investing in her, and a rather small group of people to market her to.

A horse with no experience has no negative experiences, that is why they are worth more than horses with issues or problems.

You posted asking for people’s advice, which has been freely given.

My usual method is to honestly write a list of good/bad points about the pony, and then decide, when it’s written down in black and white, how much you would pay if someone offered you the same thing?

I’ll be keeping her through the winter to work on her problems, that was the plan as I don’t want to sell her mid winter but this was just for an idea roughly. By “exceptional” breeding, I meant the dam and sire have good books and records from what I have been told. The pairing is not ideal but the bloodlines are apparently very good. Everyone has different ideas of exceptional so take that how you want.

The jumping aren’t necessarily ruled down to me getting her deep a handful of times, it could be anything - that was just an idea to work off.

Yes, I am asking a very specific home for her because I don’t want her going to just any home.

With the hunting, she would be fine coming into fences but if there was somehow a huge hedge she had to jump would need a lead like many do. She’s very confident (strangely) out hunting with or without others.

Either way she will be sold just before spring, unless a miracle happens and she can start eventing next season.