Selling pony??

[P.forpony]

I completely understand being picky about their future home. I have turned people away if I didn’t think they’d be a good match. I’ve also taken less for good matches.

It sounds sensible to prepare her for sale in the spring and I hope it all goes well for you.

 

[AmyMay]

25th October you wrote

she’s also petrified of cars

 

[AmyMay]

She jumps but only low (60) and with a patient rider.

Yet in your original post you say she’s jumped 85.

It sounds to me as if you’ve probably got a nice little pony, thats been poorly brought on. And now this all needs ironing out by a new owner or by someone experienced.

TBH her breeding at this stage is of no relevance whatsoever. A poorly started youngster is really not worth very much so I’m sticking with my original thoughts of £800 tops.

 

[eventingcrystal]

Yet in your original post you say she’s jumped 85.

It sounds to me as if you’ve probably got a nice little pony, thats been poorly brought on. And now this all needs ironing out by a new owner or by someone experienced.

TBH her breeding at this stage is of no relevance whatsoever. A poorly started youngster is really not worth very much so I’m sticking with my original thoughts of £800 tops.

She has jumped 85, but she is jumping 60 confidently and not 85. I could easily iron out her issues but I don’t want to be wasting another event season doing nothing.

My dressage instructor has said she could go for 2k by January and I have seen several problem horses for sale more than 3k.

 

[eventingcrystal]

Anyways, I won’t be needing anymore of your input but thank you to most. I will be jumping her today and Wednesday, have a dressage lesson Thursday and will take her in the trailer to some forests next weekend for a gallop. Will be keeping her until January either way as don’t want to be selling during mid winter which would give me a bit of time to iron down her issues a bit. Thank you to most for your help!

 

[COldNag]

She has jumped 85, but she is jumping 60 confidently and not 85. I could easily iron out her issues but I don’t want to be wasting another event season doing nothing.

My dressage instructor has said she could go for 2k by January and I have seen several problem horses for sale more than 3k.

Are those problem horses going for £3k 13.2 though?
I would agree with the posters above about her current value.

Could you not work with your instructor to iron out her problems and bring her on? What level of eventing are you looking to do?

 

[ycbm]

She has jumped 85, but she is jumping 60 confidently and not 85. I could easily iron out her issues but I don’t want to be wasting another event season doing nothing.

My dressage instructor has said she could go for 2k by January and I have seen several problem horses for sale more than 3k.

I'm going to repeat, if you have the skills to bring this pony on you have all winter to get her jumping to event standard and not waste next season. Why can't you?

She's not a problem horse, she's a problem pony. She's too small for most adults who take on problem horses and most children don't have the skills. Your market is tiny, you aren't going to have your pick of homes, especially not in deep midwinter in January.
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[ownedbyaconnie]

My dressage instructor has said she could go for 2k by January and I have seen several problem horses for sale more than 3k.

Why are you asking for opinions if you already know what you want to sell her for?

and yes, problem ‘horses’ will still go for good money because a bigger size is of value. A problem ‘pony’ won’t go for a premium because you’re looking for either a very petite adult or a child that is experienced enough to sort the problems, both of which are rarer.

But best of luck, I hope for the pony’s sake they find a more suitable home ?

 

[eventingcrystal]

Why are you asking for opinions if you already know what you want to sell her for?

and yes, problem ‘horses’ will still go for good money because a bigger size is of value. A problem ‘pony’ won’t go for a premium because you’re looking for either a very petite adult or a child that is experienced enough to sort the problems, both of which are rarer.

But best of luck, I hope for the pony’s sake they find a more suitable home ?

I wanted to know everyone else’s opinions on it but I went off of my instructors input first. I have said multiple times I don’t need anymore ‘advice’ or input, and clearly this was very unhelpful so will continue to use my instructor for the advice.

 

[eventingcrystal]

I'm going to repeat, if you have the skills to bring this pony on you have all winter to get her jumping to event standard and not waste next season. Why can't you?

She's not a problem horse, she's a problem pony. She's too small for most adults who take on problem horses and most children don't have the skills. Your market is tiny, you aren't going to have your pick of homes, especially not in deep midwinter in January.
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She hasn’t been xc schooling or competing yet, it would be a huge ask to event her next season, unless I event her right at the backend of the season which isn’t my ideal event season. I’ll just see how she goes and if it is looking good in January/February time I may keep her depending how she is enjoying it!

 

[ycbm]

I wanted to know everyone else’s opinions on it but I went off of my instructors input first. I have said multiple times I don’t need anymore ‘advice’ or input, and clearly this was very unhelpful so will continue to use my instructor for the advice.

The same instructor that has so far resulted in you producing a traffic shy pony who can only jump 60cm and won't do dressage, but says you can sell it in midwinter for twice what you paid for it?

I think you might need a new one.

 

[conniegirl]

Lets put it this way if I can’t find a loaner for a 13.2hh been there, done it, won it pony with incredible breeding, proven results at the highest level, will jump anything you point him at, from any stride and who will hack in the heaviest of traffic without batting an eyelid, i very much doubt you will get £3.5k for a problem pony with none of those.
Oh I’ll add i paid £1500 2 years ago for mine and whilst i would never sell him I would expect to get £1500 if i ever sold him.

 

[TPO]

Every chance I'm missing the obvious and theres been some rule change but isnt 13.2hh too small to event? I thought the minimum height was 14hh?

If that's still true then seems strange to focus on "eventing" (never mind horse doesnt like dressage, has "issues" jumping and has never been xc schooling) rather than producing an all rounder who might be suitable for a PC home.

I'm guessing OP is a child and isnt very experienced. I'm sure it seemed very appealing turning 1k into 3.5k.... Based on the information given best to find a producer and get the pony out to some shows/PC rallies next spring and then try to sell if you want to make some money. Otherwise I'd say advertise just now at a sensible price (I.e. not 3.5k) to get the dregs of the covid price wave and cut your losses.

A winter carrying on what's been happening so far will devalue the pony further and you've got your costs of keeping a horse all winter.

Sell for what you can get, as said it's a very niche market and really you have to sell as a project to someone experienced, then save the money you would have spent on keep and training so you're in a position to buy next year. Probably better to look to buy something already doing what you want so that it can help you out with jumping etc so you dont end up with a horse with the same issues.

 

[ownedbyaconnie]

I’m sorry I’m genuinely interested in what it is your instructors are seeing. people pay a premium for either potential, breeding or safety.

Yours has been shown to have limited potential as a competition pony, not hugely brave out hunting, and currently not proven as a safe as houses pony for a child

You’ve said the breeding is nothing to write home about.

you’ve said they’re scared of cars out hacking.

So what is it that your potential purchaser is paying for?

As said before your market is therefore petite adults that will most likely want to produce and sell on (like you) or very able confident children (which if they are, they’ll likely be wanting a more capable pony to do the big tracks on).

Neither of those types of buyers will pay big money because they’d end up with no profit. That was obviously your initial plan but sadly it’s not come to fruition.

E.g. my pony was £3k 3 years ago. She was green as grass schooling wise which obviously reduced her price. But she was incredibly safe, genuine and fantastic full connemara breeding. She’d jump anything out hacking/hunting, just struggled in the school due to lack of muscle but I could see the potential was there. That’s what i paid £3k for.

 

[ownedbyaconnie]

Just entered the OP’s username into Instagram as had a hunch, found them and they are 13.

OP please be careful online. This is a predominantly adult forum and as such people will speak to/treat you as such.

Best of luck with your pony.

 

[IrishMilo]

Having watched the videos I can see a sweet looking pony who needs more direction. I imagine with a small adult/more confident rider she will turn into a great little all rounder. You sound and look fairly inexperienced OP (and you’re young, so that’s totally expected!), so it’s normal your pony is struggling a little.

 

[Red-1]

For what its worth, I had a Welsh D X Arab when I was a teen. He was fabulous! We hunted, did all PC and RC, I didn't event as I didn't know anyone who did and kind of assumed that it was unattainable. He was 15.2 though. Only sold him when I tried to make him do an open team chase and realised I was going to spoil him, sold him within pony club and the next family had a ball too. So, I don't see anything wrong with the breeding.

Looking at the videos, he is a very good looking and attractive pony. I too thought there was a height limit on BE? Maybe it has changed? If not, he wouldn't be suitable anyway. In any case, I think that in your shoes I would keep him for now and have stacks of lessons. My Welsh X Arab started traffic shy too, but I worked on it and he became reliable. He wasn't 'petrified of cars' though, just buses. I would get help to tackle this, the roads are not a playground.

The jumping I would leave until you have a trainer there. The pony looks to have a jump, but isn't using themselves best. I'm not sure why the pony won't do dressage? Looks reasonably built and healthy for low level dressage?

In short, I would use this winter to learn, learn, learn, so when you do get an event pony and actually start being in a position to start eventing, then you will be able to crack on. IMO there would be no benefit in simply changing the pony at this point, the one you have is fabulous and simply needs training. If you do that yourself, you will be a better rider for the future, as long as you have help.

 

[MummyEms]

Hi, we would be interested for my 10 year old little girl!

 

[MummyEms]

Above was meant to include the quote from conniegirl. I am terrible at forum tech ? but extremely experienced with horses ??

 

[Red-1]

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[MummyEms]

Good luck and stick closely with an experienced instructor. Don't aim high aim for positive experiences with your pony. Over and over. Xx

 

[AUB]

If it’s the one on instagram, I think it looks like a nice pony that’s still a bit green. Which I would also expect from a 5 year old pony with an inexperienced rider.

 

[Wishfilly]

OP, just for context, I recently bought a 14.1yo pony for a similar price to what you are trying to get (he was a bit more but came with full tack). Mine is 7, can jump 80cm reliably and is safe as houses out hacking. He is green in the school, but enjoys it, and sounds easier to do than yours in the stable.

If she has only hunted twice, is scared of traffic and her jumping is less than reliable, I'm not convinced you would find a home for her as a child's hunter.

For £3000, people could buy a nice, unspoilt but green or unbacked 13.2, which I think people with the skills to sort her out would be more likely to do.

Her breeding will usually only add a lot of value if she is purebred, I don't think she will have much value as a broodmare for example.

If you are not sure you can/want to sort her out, it might be better to just cut your losses and sell her for what you paid/slightly more. It is, unfortunately, possible to devalue ponies, and it does sound like you are getting close to doing that.

 

[eventingcrystal]

If it’s the one on instagram, I think it looks like a nice pony that’s still a bit green. Which I would also expect from a 5 year old pony with an inexperienced rider.

It’s rather rude and immature to call someone inexperienced when you haven’t even seen them ride. No I don’t ride incredibly because she’s 5, my main aim is for her to be getting clear aids not for me to be looking perfect.

 

[Wishfilly]

It’s rather rude and immature to call someone inexperienced when you haven’t even seen them ride. No I don’t ride incredibly because she’s 5, my main aim is for her to be getting clear aids not for me to be looking perfect.

OP, I think people mean what they are saying as kindly as possible- but you are 13, and it seems like this is your first youngster? So by definition you are inexperienced in terms of producing horses?

FWIW, having also looked at your instagram, I, personally wouldn't have those videos publicly available when you do come to sell, especially the most recent one...

 

[eventingcrystal]

I have said it multiple times, I don’t need any more ‘help’. I didn’t ask for advice, to be judged on how I ride or called inexperienced. I have produced multiple of friends horses with no issue, I did not ask to be judged or ridiculed by you lot, I asked what your opinion was on that price and no more.


I worded many things incorrectly which lead to many misunderstandings - she isn’t scared of cars more that the ones around my yard speed straight past you so I can’t hack, her jumping issues - she doesn’t run out or refuse but is hesitant or rushes slightly and needs some confidence from rider, I also said she was headshy but I was referring to the fact she gets a startle by people chucking rugs about + throwing their arms. She is absolutely perfect with kids and is lovely to school but is kept in due to winter so gets over excited = why she isn’t great with cantering. She has had bad experiences in her past home and was not started correctly which isn’t my fault, the few distances I set badly of course were and take responsibility of that.


Several people said that maybe she is picking up on my nerves but I am fully confident, sometimes over confident and have gotten on some interesting rides before.


She had a little jump today and was wonderful, wasn’t at all hesitant and took me to the fence apart from once due to a horse galloping about in the field so wanted to join in. She improved SO much from start to end, same as she has the past week with her schooling especially in the dark her first few times. I have lots of hope she will get where I want her to by February time.


Also she has hunted twice and was very confident, forward albeit slightly strong. She jumped everything first time but bigger fences needed a bit of a lead due to greenness. She will be hunted this season at some point (hopefully, although no promises due to COVID).


have asked to leave this thread to an end but clearly it is too hard to understand that.

 

[eventingcrystal]

OP, I think people mean what they are saying as kindly as possible- but you are 13, and it seems like this is your first youngster? So by definition you are inexperienced in terms of producing horses?

FWIW, having also looked at your instagram, I, personally wouldn't have those videos publicly available when you do come to sell, especially the most recent one...

I’ve had experience producing 5 ponies I believe, they were all friends ponies apart from 1 which I owned. Many of the videos on my recent are from when I first got her and were from the same 2 or 3 rides because she is very very rarely silly

 

[Wishfilly]

I don't think anyone is ridiculing you. I think most people are genuinely trying to help.

There is a video of her running out on your instagram. It's tagged with her registered name, I believe. If this is a very rare occurrence, then I would take the video down.

People do google the name of the pony they are buying. If you are producing to sell, it's really important to be careful with what you post online. Personally, I would go back through your social media posts and consider whether they show her in the best light possible.

I do think you are also misunderstanding the market for 13.2 ponies.

However, as you've requested we leave the thread, I will leave it there.

 

[AmyMay]

Looking at your Instagram vids, op I think you’re a really nice little rider, and when you get it ‘right’ the two of you look great. The pony is also fabulous.

I’d absolutely keep her, and come on together. Concentrate on smaller fences so that when things go a bit wrong it’s no big deal.

I think with the right trainer on the ground you’ll be a smashing combination.

Also, appreciating now that you’re only 13, I too will leave this thread.

Good luck.

 

[Wishfilly]

I’ve had experience producing 5 ponies I believe, they were all friends ponies apart from 1 which I owned. Many of the videos on my recent are from when I first got her and were from the same 2 or 3 rides because she is very very rarely silly

It doesn't matter when they were taken. If we can find them, other people can too.

It's common advice to search the registered name of the pony you are buying on google and social media, so it's very likely other people will find them.

This is intended as genuine advice to you- if you want to get £2k+ for her, take any videos where she looks even slightly tricky down or at least don't tag them with her name.

ETA: That's not intended as a criticism of you, either- or your riding. It's just that some of those videos will put parents off, and that's who you are really marketing to. You have to view your social media as a marketing tool for horses/ponies you are trying to sell. It is nice to be able to put the bad moments up as well as the good, but that's not possible if you are looking to sell the pony in the near future.