Should I sell one of my horses? Which one?

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Sorry new here hope this is right place to post..

I own three amazing horses that all live at home. I am self employed, work from home & have young children, husband works a lot and have very limited help/support. I LIVE for my children and my horses and it breaks my heart to even contemplate this but head over heart I have limited time, funds and my children are growing up before my very eyes at a rapid pace.. so it’s my intention to look at downsizing my number of horses.

The problem is each of them are wonderful people and are very much part of the family and have their own job/purpose

I have a strong chunky 15 yo ID that I’ve owned for 10 years he acts like a 7yo. We are completed bonded, have mainly hunted together but his jump is capped at 80cm (ish) for courses and probably 1m for a one off with the wind behind him he’s a middle/heavy weight type and just not made for the big fences but if he would be could. He tries his heart out for me. We hunt and side saddle together. He doesn’t do much (if anything) to improve my riding ability but he is so easy. He has seen me through my pregnancies and really is my best friend on four legs. He doesn’t mind the schooling and goes well in an outline but lives for the hunting field. He is basically my hunter and hack. I think he’s too old for me to consider moving on (if I could bring myself to it. FYI he has no health issues and doesn’t act his age in any way) He is as bonded to me as I think a horse can be and in the 10 years I’ve owned him he’s really come into his own. I don’t think there is anything he could ever do that would unnerve me, we just know each other so well. my instructor says that the professional riders she’s seen ride him he doesn’t respond to under saddle like he does for me. We are very much one team. Because he is such a big boy he takes a lot to keep fit

I also have a 2 yo Youngster unbroken, gorgeous inside and out, amazing to handle. (Its always been my ‘dream’ to produce my own horse. The idea is that he will eventually be my ‘one amazing all rounder’ and will replace both current horses when they retire) Because of this I don’t feel like he can be moved on either. Plus if I sold or semi retired both other horses I would be potentially without my own ridden horse for the next 2 years.

That leaves me with my beautiful 12yo mare, sj/eventer all rounder. Very talented! Cost me a fortune when I bought her two years ago. I love riding her! Is my favourite to ride but is probably the one with the potential to unnerve me the most - she has her moments but she has equally saved my bacon a few times too! She turns her hoof to anything. Has given me lots of confidence jumping and is very genuine. Too strong for me to hunt (she’s a proven big country FM horse) she is an absolute machine. Never refuses, is a school master in many ways but can be sharp. She is probably too good for me but she has bought my riding on a lot and I’m sure she would/will continue to. I think we will develop and progress together. She loves to jump and do clinic, sj and event. I struggle with her brakes when hacking out in company/hunting and even sometimes alone.. FYI I’ve tried every bit going and had specialist dentist etc) she is highly competitive. She is prone to ulcers but I manage it through her diet and routine, she can be rather moody but is probably the most obedient horse I own, first to me in the field but is very much the lead horse of the others. I don’t trust her like I do my hunter. She purposely kicked me once out in the field (approx a year ago) but that said it was out of character and i dropped her straight at the equine vets and her ulcers had flared up so I think it was her way of telling me so. She hasn’t done anything since. She isn’t as loving as my other horses but can tell in her eyes she wants to be loved if that makes sense. She is perfectly compliant but is a cold but equally not unfriendly sort of horse. She has to have a routine and would probably be the one pacing the fence and stressed if bring in/turn out was excessively late. She thrives in routine (don’t they all) She was at a competition yard all her life before me. I probably won’t hunt her anymore and she isn’t suitable for side saddle.

The ideal would be to have just one horse that is the perfect all rounder for me (which is what I plan to make the youngster into and both my older horses are doing a great job of bringing youngster up on their part. we have a couple of people on livery so reducing down as much as to one horse wouldn’t be an issue)

My question is - am
I crazy for considering this? should I be keeping all three? I know I am very lucky to have such wonderful horses that get along and each have a job

Or should I be realistic and downsize and if so who should go?

Or should I be looking to rehome them all and find the perfect all rounder (if there such a thing ?)

I’m just so torn! If time and money weren’t an issue there would be no question that I would keep them all but I could really do with making life easier for myself. I feel like I’m spinning so many plates I’m not spinning any single plate as well as I should and trying to juggle 5 x kids, 3 x horses, work, house, garden etc seems near impossible.

Btw I do a bit of everything mainly hunt, side saddle, hack, jumping clinics. I am however hunting less as I just don’t have time (and I can’t justify taking a full day out to hunt plus a full evening hunt prep on a regular basis)

Thanks so much for listening to me ramble on, advice much appreciated
 

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Hi, welcome to the forum!

You could loan out the 2 ridden ones, and keep the youngster to bring on.
if you loan and keep at your yard, then with view to buy or see how it goes, it means it gives you a chance for a well-deserved break, more time and money free.
During the break from 2 loaned out you’ll get to truly know whether you can do without them...and if you cant, you can have them back at end of loan period.

If you sell, and regret it hugely its hard to undo! A loan is a perfect halfway solution.

Or even have 1 out on full loan, and 1 part loan/share with you...then you’ll have a horse to ride. So that’ll roughly half your current horse time and costs expenditure.

Youre doing amazingly well to juggle all you do...i can understand why youre considering a re-shuffle. I’ve been thinking along similar lines too.
 

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Hi, welcome to the forum!

You could loan out the 2 ridden ones, and keep the youngster to bring on.
if you loan and keep at your yard, then with view to buy or see how it goes, it means it gives you a chance for a well-deserved break, more time and money free.
During the break from 2 loaned out you’ll get to truly know whether you can do without them...and if you cant, you can have them back at end of loan period.

If you sell, and regret it hugely its hard to undo! A loan is a perfect halfway solution.

Or even have 1 out on full loan, and 1 part loan/share with you...then you’ll have a horse to ride. So that’ll roughly half your current horse time and costs expenditure.

Youre doing amazingly well to juggle all you do...i can understand why youre considering a re-shuffle. I’ve been thinking along similar lines too.

Thank you so much for your comment, that’s a really good idea. I’ll definitely consider this and look into it further. I guess it would just be finding the right person/people
 

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I couldn't tell you which one to sell, but if you went down to two horses, would they be ok on their own while you ride the other?

Yes they are all use to being alone while others are exercised I always mix it up so I wouldn’t have this issue but I have liveries also so not a problem
 

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For me this dead easy, sell the 2yo and the 12yo and keep the ID you should never ever part with a good ID .
Enjoy the straight forward fun and in a while when your children are more grown and he is retired you will be ready for another .

Thank you, he is indeed so easy and straightforward. He’s no record beater but he tries his heart out.
 

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It sounds like your old boy has your heart and I would hang on to him if you possibly can. A sharer to help keep him fit could work out really well. Hopefully your youngster will become the horse you are dreaming of, but it will take time and there are never any guarantees. I would keep him for now and see how things go. Your mare sounds like she would suit a loan who wants to compete, and if it worked well you could always consider selling to the loaner in time.
 

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Thank you so much for your comment, that’s a really good idea. I’ll definitely consider this and look into it further. I guess it would just be finding the right person/people

With the various capabilities both ridden horses offer, they would appeal to a wider audience of potential loanees than you just having an oldie happy hacker to offer. (I love happy hackers, no offence meant to them at all!)
There are many folk im sure who would want to compete low level who may not have the capital to buy outright right now but have the experience to handle her and care well for her, as your mare sounds ideal especially for a very active, experienced rider.
You have the option with a share especially to keep at current yard - so maybe offer half share with your boy.
A full loan of your mare, if you coildnt find anyone willing to keep her at current yard due to distance then you stipulate yard check will be done if they wish to move her to a new yard.
Have well worded contracts in place, diligently detailing who’s responsible for what etc.

If you do ever decide which to sell....i can completely understand how hard that decision is!...you’d still have the ‘work’ of finding good next homes....so looking for good loanees/sharer means you have the option to fold the contracts if it goes wrong, and you still have control of their future.


It affords you a ‘breather’ to take a step back from 3 full horses, while still owning all 3, you can assess how much free time youve gained, and financially assess...and emotionally assess the new set-up....before making any final, major decisions.

From a purely practical point of view, not accounting for emotions, if loaning and share is really not viable for you, i would sell the youngster and mare and keep the one that fits like a glove...just to keep in with riding.
Only because it sounds like you need a break, rest, from all those spinning plates. I’ve been in that situation and absolutely HAD to give up something as my life was also very full, and i wasnt doing well at all.
I dont know the age of your children and how self-sufficient they are...but it sounds like you have to choose at this particular point in your life, and reaching out on here shows that. Its absolutely horrible to have to ‘give up’ anything dear to us in life, but if time AND finances are stretched, and you’re feeling the stress, you know your own limits and choices to relieve the pressure, although hard, have to be made.
Rarely do us horsey folks have millions to just pay for a groom when it all gets too much....wish we did, as most of us sound like we would love a break just once in a while, despite the passion for our loved hairy beasties!

Youngsters take up a lot of time bringing them on, and the mare sounds like she needs very high maintenance stimulation in form of exercise to keep her ‘on her game’. Having to meet both of those horses needs and demands daily, adds more mental stress too, than having 3 horses which arent so ‘talented’. Sometimes its not the number of horses which is an issue, but how much each one requires of our mental considerations to keep them up to what they’re capable of, if that makes sense. Im sure if you had 3 easy-keepers that didnt require daily riding and training, and skilled riding/training concentration so intensively, you’d put them to grass for the winter, take time off and de-stress and have a think. But it sounds like your horses require more effort and turning them away for the winter so you can have rest-time would be detrimental?

It sounds like you have a lovely crew of beasties and i feel your anguish, but there are lovely loanees/sharers out there and lovely homes too, so whichever route you go, the effort finding good people is worth it. It depends how attached you are to them, because there’s no point in breaking your heart to save some hours and pounds, if all you’ll do with the spare time and money is sit depressed binge watching netflix and scoffing expensive ice cream! (i’d do that!)

Only you know your situation intimately and yourself...and how much pressure needs to be relieved.
You can always loan-in the ‘all-rounder’ horse yourself and sell/loan out all your 3.
Letting go of anything dear to us is the hardest decision we all face in life at some point. You have great, talented horses who will be loved and appreciated no matter what decision you make.
You’ve a few options that enable financial and time breathing space without having to call it quits completely.
 

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The first one to go is the 2yo. The amount of time, energy and money to make them into the perfect horse is not to be underestimated, with no guarantees either.

I’d do that first and see how you are coping. Might be an idea to get a part loaner for one of the others?

Thanks for your reply, I did think about this too I have two horses actually doing a job Vs one that isn’t yet able
 

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If you really had to sell... go for the youngster first. As long as it leads reasonably well and you can pick it’s feet up for a trim you shouldn’t have any issues selling.

Next to to would be the mare. Ideally wait until spring and the weather is nicer/hopefully no covid lockdown... get her out with a Sj’er for few weeks/a month to get some recent results for her, and sell from there
 

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You need to future proof your horses, and keep the ID and start looking for a good 13-14.2 ready for your children, it doesn't have to be competitive, just safe, I sold my horse who was not an easy ride, and bought a young pony to bring on for my daughters. Best thing I ever did. I not only had the pleasure of training her but also may children riding and doing things with her. Most of the remounts were 'homemade'.
 

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The first one to go is the 2yo. The amount of time, energy and money to make them into the perfect horse is not to be underestimated, with no guarantees either.

I’d do that first and see how you are coping. Might be an idea to get a part loaner for one of the others?

This is a middle way , it’s a balance the 12yo will soon be 13 and time passes fast shes still a good age to find a long term home .
I could never ever sell a horse that had carried me for ten years .
 

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How old are the children and will you be getting ponies for any of the to add into the mix?
I think the 2yo would be the one to have to go, you can buy another youngster at some time in the future.
It might be good to look for a competent adult who you get on with who would ride one of the others as a sharer or part loan and you could hack or take them both to clinics etc together.
 

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In your shoes I'd sell the 2yo and look for a sharer for one or both of the older horses.
I'd not part with your gelding for love nor money but equally there's a huge amount to be said for the mare being your favourite to ride, it sounds like she has talent and offers you something to learn.
Maybe go back down the youngster route in another couple of years when kids are older and gelding is getting on a bit.
 

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Those horses are Pearls beyond price they never deserve to lose their home .

I've just found one of these, he's on trial so i havent paid for him yet but if he broke tomorrow i would still buy him and keep him forever. He'll never (as long as i can help it) have an uncertain future ever again, he is far, far too good to do that to. I agree with everything else you say as well.
 

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With the various capabilities both ridden horses offer, they would appeal to a wider audience of potential loanees than you just having an oldie happy hacker to offer. (I love happy hackers, no offence meant to them at all!)
There are many folk im sure who would want to compete low level who may not have the capital to buy outright right now but have the experience to handle her and care well for her, as your mare sounds ideal especially for a very active, experienced rider.
You have the option with a share especially to keep at current yard - so maybe offer half share with your boy.
A full loan of your mare, if you coildnt find anyone willing to keep her at current yard due to distance then you stipulate yard check will be done if they wish to move her to a new yard.
Have well worded contracts in place, diligently detailing who’s responsible for what etc.

If you do ever decide which to sell....i can completely understand how hard that decision is!...you’d still have the ‘work’ of finding good next homes....so looking for good loanees/sharer means you have the option to fold the contracts if it goes wrong, and you still have control of their future.


It affords you a ‘breather’ to take a step back from 3 full horses, while still owning all 3, you can assess how much free time youve gained, and financially assess...and emotionally assess the new set-up....before making any final, major decisions.

From a purely practical point of view, not accounting for emotions, if loaning and share is really not viable for you, i would sell the youngster and mare and keep the one that fits like a glove...just to keep in with riding.
Only because it sounds like you need a break, rest, from all those spinning plates. I’ve been in that situation and absolutely HAD to give up something as my life was also very full, and i wasnt doing well at all.
I dont know the age of your children and how self-sufficient they are...but it sounds like you have to choose at this particular point in your life, and reaching out on here shows that. Its absolutely horrible to have to ‘give up’ anything dear to us in life, but if time AND finances are stretched, and you’re feeling the stress, you know your own limits and choices to relieve the pressure, although hard, have to be made.
Rarely do us horsey folks have millions to just pay for a groom when it all gets too much....wish we did, as most of us sound like we would love a break just once in a while, despite the passion for our loved hairy beasties!

Youngsters take up a lot of time bringing them on, and the mare sounds like she needs very high maintenance stimulation in form of exercise to keep her ‘on her game’. Having to meet both of those horses needs and demands daily, adds more mental stress too, than having 3 horses which arent so ‘talented’. Sometimes its not the number of horses which is an issue, but how much each one requires of our mental considerations to keep them up to what they’re capable of, if that makes sense. Im sure if you had 3 easy-keepers that didnt require daily riding and training, and skilled riding/training concentration so intensively, you’d put them to grass for the winter, take time off and de-stress and have a think. But it sounds like your horses require more effort and turning them away for the winter so you can have rest-time would be detrimental?

It sounds like you have a lovely crew of beasties and i feel your anguish, but there are lovely loanees/sharers out there and lovely homes too, so whichever route you go, the effort finding good people is worth it. It depends how attached you are to them, because there’s no point in breaking your heart to save some hours and pounds, if all you’ll do with the spare time and money is sit depressed binge watching netflix and scoffing expensive ice cream! (i’d do that!)

Only you know your situation intimately and yourself...and how much pressure needs to be relieved.
You can always loan-in the ‘all-rounder’ horse yourself and sell/loan out all your 3.
Letting go of anything dear to us is the hardest decision we all face in life at some point. You have great, talented horses who will be loved and appreciated no matter what decision you make.
You’ve a few options that enable financial and time breathing space without having to call it quits completely.

Thank you so much for taking the time to write this

I do like the idea of a loaner, I think the only thing is finding someone suitable but equally my husband thinks a loner is a bad idea he said that I will put off any loners as everything has to be done my way and I will moan to him about any potential loaner and it’s more hassle (genuinely don’t think I’m that bad but just being honest with what his thoughts are)

Our children are 1, 4, 6, 10, 14 so all at very different stages in life and have different needs. They are all good kids and try to help out with yard duties like sweeping, giving pre made feed, hay nets and our 14yo helps with bringing in & she also rides my ID in the school at weekends.
I’m up at 5am every day and do the horses, muck out, turn out, give breakfast and make teas etc before the kids are usually up. They get ridden/ ground work etc while the kids are at school/nursery in the mornings and the kids all ‘help out’ at PM bring in/tea time.

I try to fit in my work and house work for the bulk of my days (8 people to wash and iron for including my MIL = soul destroying) but because I’m not getting a lot done and I’m so far stretched, I end up working most evenings when the kids are in bed to pay for said horses, add an emergency/sick child/horse or a day out to the mix and I’m completely behind schedule and it messes up the whole week and I’m finding myself getting snappy and burnt out.


My husband is pretty resentful of the horses - the time, energy and money I spend on them but when I gave up my FT career to go Part time self employed and play house 2years ago, i bought my mare and my youngster to basically keep me going and to try not to lose sight of myself- (before having children I rode semi professionally but we are talking 15yrs ago) another reason I think I’m finding this so difficult.

My mare is out at the moment SJ and I have several acquaintances that are interested in my mare to buy (and I wouldn’t have lost any money on her but equally it’s not all about the money and I’m still having a really hard time with it so I haven’t agree to any viewings yet)


Also to other posters who have asked.. My children (apart from my one year old) have all had a ponies and done pony club etc over the years but quickly lost interest. One of our ponies I think will be coming back to us in summer (we long term loaned her to a brilliant home and is now outgrown) so will come back for our youngest to see if he wants to ride but equally at 12hh, they are no trouble and are very easy.
 

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I've just found one of these, he's on trial so i havent paid for him yet but if he broke tomorrow i would still buy him and keep him forever. He'll never (as long as i can help it) have an uncertain future ever again, he is far, far too good to do that to. I agree with everything else you say as well.

I agree I don’t think I could realistically part with my ID. He is like gold dust.

Good luck with your ID but if he’s anything like mine I’m sure you won’t need any luck ☺️
 

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In your shoes I'd sell the 2yo and look for a sharer for one or both of the older horses.
I'd not part with your gelding for love nor money but equally there's a huge amount to be said for the mare being your favourite to ride, it sounds like she has talent and offers you something to learn.
Maybe go back down the youngster route in another couple of years when kids are older and gelding is getting on a bit.

Thank you, I agree. I think I probably do realistically need to look into rehoming the youngster. I’ve not given that as much thought as o probably should do.
 
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