Colivet
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I do rather find myself in approval of all that!
Alec.
As do I !!
Silly question I'm sure ! Old hounds?
- Thread starter Smellycob
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As do I !!
KittenInTheTree
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Remind me why Judgemental hasn't been banned yet?
Judgemental
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Because one has never ever been personally rude to any poster.
That said the old adage of, "you can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all the people all the time" could not be more apt. I am not fooled by all the protestations.
There is a very good chance there will have to be an early General Election (bearing in mind Mr Corbyn is rapidly shelving all his left wing nonsense) and if that happens it is likely the Conservative party will be returned with a huge majority.
Whether or not that could bring about Repeal remains to be seen.
As a result and to that end, there are Operational Units being deployed by the Anti's to use Social Media, to denigrate, spread dissent and disinformation, where such as Country and Field Sports are concerned.
So whether or not the OP is genuine or not, they have served and obliged with the very useful function, in highlighting the ongoing risks we face on this forum in the context of the above paragraph.
Therefore, we should all be very careful about new posters who should be viewed with suspicion, when they immediately embark upon controversial subjects linked to Country and Field Sports.
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Shay
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OP - Apologies for my earlier comment. I clearly took you wrongly - but I hope you can understand a level of caution given the persecution many hunts face from a certain faction of society.
In the spirit of gaining knowledge - it is a common misconception among those opposed to hunting (or at least it is around here ) that everyone who hunts in "upper class" which could not be further from the truth. That is a common thread of the verbal abuse to which we are very often subject here. Consequently your reference to being working class without any apparent other connection took me by surprise and was a red flag. I was wrong - I apologise.
Going back to a previous question... bloodhounding, a bit like drag hunting, tends to run faster than trail hunting - particularly in the early part of the season. That might be why your bloodhound pack recommends previous trail hunt experience. But if you call the secretary they will be able to advise you which hunts are calmer, and what types of fences you will encounter. Some hunts will have a non jumping line which you might prefer first time out.
In the spirit of gaining knowledge - it is a common misconception among those opposed to hunting (or at least it is around here ) that everyone who hunts in "upper class" which could not be further from the truth. That is a common thread of the verbal abuse to which we are very often subject here. Consequently your reference to being working class without any apparent other connection took me by surprise and was a red flag. I was wrong - I apologise.
Going back to a previous question... bloodhounding, a bit like drag hunting, tends to run faster than trail hunting - particularly in the early part of the season. That might be why your bloodhound pack recommends previous trail hunt experience. But if you call the secretary they will be able to advise you which hunts are calmer, and what types of fences you will encounter. Some hunts will have a non jumping line which you might prefer first time out.
Pinkvboots
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Wasn't J the same poster that took offence to the John Lewis Christmas advert ?
and by the way judgemental you have been rude on this thread you said the op has a chip on her shoulder I would class that as being personally rude to another forum user.
and by the way judgemental you have been rude on this thread you said the op has a chip on her shoulder I would class that as being personally rude to another forum user.
Judgemental
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Ha no you have to read the comment very carefully it was not "you have a chip on your shoulder", the comment was "a chip on shoulder is relevant", relevant being the operative word, not directed to the OP. The OP is not named as Relevant, of course if you wish to think that that is your prerogative but that was not what was said.
Rudeness has to be a direct comment that is personally disparaging.
As to the relevance of John Lewis, please do enlighten one as to the relevance.
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Alec Swan
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KittenInTheTree
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Mostly because we accept him as he is, warts an' all!
Alec.
I don't.
Judgemental
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Mostly because we accept him as he is, warts an' all!
Alec.
Thank you Alec for rescuing me from I don't know quite what, I keep envisaging the claws of the cat on Ernst Stavro Blofeld's lap.:eek3:
I feel this little dialogue has been somewhat timely.
There are clearly a large number of younger members, who do not realise just how devious the Sabs and Anti's can be, in trying to undermine Country and Fieldsports as agent provocateurs, (nothing to do with chain of lingerie shops:smile3
for which they are being trained by LACs and in their Cyber activities.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
You will note J is currently mostly obsessed with a general election like yesterday, and believes that with everything going on in the world hubting will be high up on he agenda of the new government so that gives you an idea
I only hunted age 25+ OP got contacts from a couple of friends originally, in wilts just emailed. I have now done a couple of packs in different areas of the country and can honestly say they have all been lovely. Tag yourself on to an old timer if they are willing and you will learn loads. One lady at my old pack was queen bee of hound breeding and I could have listened to her all day. - she was also handy to keep an eye on as she would be the first to hear them think about going
I only hunted age 25+ OP got contacts from a couple of friends originally, in wilts just emailed. I have now done a couple of packs in different areas of the country and can honestly say they have all been lovely. Tag yourself on to an old timer if they are willing and you will learn loads. One lady at my old pack was queen bee of hound breeding and I could have listened to her all day. - she was also handy to keep an eye on as she would be the first to hear them think about going
ester
Not slacking multitasking
Thank you Alec for rescuing me from I don't know quite what, I keep envisaging the claws of the cat on Ernst Stavro Blofeld's lap.:eek3:
I feel this little dialogue has been somewhat timely.
There are clearly a large number of younger members, who do not realise just how devious the Sabs and Anti's can be, in trying to undermine Country and Fieldsports as agent provocateurs, (nothing to do with chain of lingerie shops:smile3
I think you somewhat underrate the intelligence of younger users. What happens to old hounds is hardly unknown information in any circle so I am not sure which info on this thread is going to help any sab or anti, many of whom seem to struggle with the concept of bloodhounds at all!
conniegirl
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Thank you Alec for rescuing me from I don't know quite what, I keep envisaging the claws of the cat on Ernst Stavro Blofeld's lap.:eek3:
I feel this little dialogue has been somewhat timely.
There are clearly a large number of younger members, who do not realise just how devious the Sabs and Anti's can be, in trying to undermine Country and Fieldsports as agent provocateurs, (nothing to do with chain of lingerie shops:smile3
and clearly certain members are overly paranoid to the point of seeing monsters round every corner.
People cannot learn if they do not ask questions and if you have nothing to hide then you should answer those questions. Refusing to answer and calling people Trolls/Sabs with out proof is a perfect way to drive people away from hunting!
Judgemental
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You will note J is currently mostly obsessed with a general election like yesterday, and believes that with everything going on in the world hunting will be high up on he agenda of the new government so that gives you an idea
If there is a big enough majority yes it will be high on the agenda, because it is a very old score to be settled with the Labour Party (along with the parasite Blair) and the SNP.
Not to mention the fact, all the members of hunts who turn out to canvess in labour strongholds and marginal seats.
No, we want our hunting and repeal, which will be a constant and important pressure point from a whole host of sources.
Apart from anything else it symbolises everything that is properly British and patriotic. Bearing in mind many Countrymen and women went to fight a war in 1939, because they were angry that Hitler shot all the Hounds in Nazi Germany in 1936 and abolished hunting.
Perhaps the OP if he/she is so interested, would care to look into the history of hunting in Nazi Germany and how the Gestapo shot any hunt servant who got in their way, so far as abolishing hunting and the wholesale killing of the hounds was concerned.
That, in the light of BREXIT is another very good reason to have repeal of the Hunting Act 2004 and settle that particular score with the Germans.
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ester
Not slacking multitasking
Nazis... really we are only on page 2!
conniegirl
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Perfect example of Godwins law in action!
Judgemental
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If memory serves me correctly that is not the first time you have invoked Godwin. However Godwin did not have the issue of BREXIT in mind when considering Hitler and the Internet, so we now have inter alia a new dimension to the German problem namely BREXIT, which when concluded will show that we don't want anything to do with the Germans and repeal of the Hunting Act 2004 will be an added bonus.
Furthermore, anybody who is opposed to repeal of the Hunting Act 2004 is to my mind unpatriotic.
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conniegirl
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Sorry but the world has bigger problems to worry about than the hunting act.
Infact the hunting act is so low down the agenda that it is now frivolous.
Brexit is not about the Germans! I realy do think you need to get over your hatred for them, they are perfectly nice people., thier politicians are no worse than ours.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
The german problem namely brexit!???
You're the one that brought up the nazis on a thread about what happens with old hounds....
It does further explain your reaction to the OP though.
You're the one that brought up the nazis on a thread about what happens with old hounds....
It does further explain your reaction to the OP though.
Judgemental
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That is how you see the current position and I concede with the passage of time your reasoning may be reasonable.
However think forward and consider the position and we are about to leave or have left the EU. Farmers, Landowners, Country folk all with EU subsidies having vanished.
I hear you say, "ah but the Chancellor promised to replace them to a greater or lesser extent". A promise LOL.
So the 'farmers,' my collective for all of the above, are more than a little unhappy, especially when those replacement subsidies are then tailored to genuine need and agriculturally disadvantaged land.
What's the cheapest way to keep them all happy, Repeal the Hunting Act 2004. The Minister will say, "look what we have done for you, given you back your hunting, aren't we wonderful". Believe me Hunting and Repeal will play a major part in the whole scenario of subsidies and agriculture, for quite a while and increasingly so.
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conniegirl
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I sincerely doubt it and believe you are massively out of touch with the general population of the UK, i think you need to come doqn from your high horse and remove the silver spoon from your posterior!
Appeasing farmers will be done through extra funding, not by pissing off approximately half of the general population (farmers are a minority compared to those in cities and who dislike hunting).
Appeasing farmers will be done through extra funding, not by pissing off approximately half of the general population (farmers are a minority compared to those in cities and who dislike hunting).
Smellycob
Active Member
I do rather find myself in approval of all that!
In answer to your opening question and regarding elderly hounds which can no longer hunt, with the possible exception of the odd hound which has managed to inveigle it's way in to the affections of Hunt staff, they're quite correctly put to sleep. There is no other alternative if Hunstman and Master are to consider the well being of the individual animal, or the pack.
Alec.
Thank you x
Smellycob
Active Member
Thank you. That's OK, apology completely accepted and no hard feelings at all. I did re-read my original post and yes I don't think I worded it very well and I completely understand caution. Thanks for the advice about non-jumping routes - I think that will be the safer option for a first timer! x
Smellycob
Active Member
You will note J is currently mostly obsessed with a general election like yesterday, and believes that with everything going on in the world hubting will be high up on he agenda of the new government so that gives you an idea
I only hunted age 25+ OP got contacts from a couple of friends originally, in wilts just emailed. I have now done a couple of packs in different areas of the country and can honestly say they have all been lovely. Tag yourself on to an old timer if they are willing and you will learn loads. One lady at my old pack was queen bee of hound breeding and I could have listened to her all day. - she was also handy to keep an eye on as she would be the first to hear them think about going
Good plan Batman! Thanks x
MiJodsR2BlinkinTite
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Welcome on here OP, as you've seen, we're a pretty rum lot, but welcome anyway, whoever you are and wherever you come from!
Please don't let this discourage you from hanging around. You'll notice various little squabbles and foibles come up here from time to time, you just need to get the knack of not letting it get to you!
Enjoy!
Please don't let this discourage you from hanging around. You'll notice various little squabbles and foibles come up here from time to time, you just need to get the knack of not letting it get to you!
Enjoy!
Smellycob
Active Member
Will do! Thanks x
Judgemental
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Well time will tell.
Whilst my predictions are so you think, massively out of touch.
Things will become very 'old school' with the advent of leaving the EU, coupled to our friends in the US who will be even 'older school'. Bearing in mind the average of Mr Trump's cabinet is 67, indeed the oldest is 80 and I don't believe there is a single politician therein. The US and Canadian trading relationship with the UK in agricultural products will be consequently wholly different.
Coupled to a wholesale Sea Change in the trading relationship with the former Commonwealth
Along with all the chumminess and cosying up to the Russians who will be given an open door to our agricultural markets.
Farmers will not be given the extra support you anticipate. Why because the country cannot afford the cost.
EU subsidies, indeed all subsidies are a political tool, if in the fullness of time there are fewer politicians running the world, there will be fewer subsidies.
Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
Please stay OP, it's a delight to read a well written comment with paragraphs and actual punctuation
TGM
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With regard to whether to go bloodhounding or out with the foxhounds, a lot does depend on the individual packs. In our area, the foxhound packs are varied, some have a reputation for being very welcoming, and some not so much! Generally in our area they tend not to go so fast as the drag packs and the bloodhounds and not do so much jumping. (By drag packs, I mean those packs that have always dragged). Our local drag pack is very fast and furious and they love jumping huge hedges all the time, whereas the bloodhound pack is more in between - fast-paced with usually lots of jumping but always ways round the big hedges and sometimes have optional jumping days or a non-jumping fieldmaster.
Drag hunts and bloodhound packs have the advantage that they are not usually bothered by antis/sabs so they often have very informative websites and Facebook groups with lots of pictures, videos, reports etc which can give you a good idea of what is involved. If you are in the South East I would recommend you have a look at the Coakham Bloodhounds website on:
www.coakhambloodhounds.org.uk
which will tell you a lot about the Coakham in particular, but also about bloodhounding in general. They also have a very active Facebook group where you can find lots of videos and photos that give you a taste of the days that they put on.
Drag hunts and bloodhound packs have the advantage that they are not usually bothered by antis/sabs so they often have very informative websites and Facebook groups with lots of pictures, videos, reports etc which can give you a good idea of what is involved. If you are in the South East I would recommend you have a look at the Coakham Bloodhounds website on:
www.coakhambloodhounds.org.uk
which will tell you a lot about the Coakham in particular, but also about bloodhounding in general. They also have a very active Facebook group where you can find lots of videos and photos that give you a taste of the days that they put on.
Judgemental
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So OP, clearly you are such a splendid chap or chapess, are you with us, in other words are you for Repeal?
conniegirl
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it is a simple numbers game, there are vastly more people who dislike hunting (whether educated about hunting or not) then there are farmers.
Politicians get into office on strength of numbers, they will not piss off the many to appease the few, particularly not on a issue such as hunting where feeling tend to run extremely strongly.