Silly question I'm sure ! Old hounds?

[AmyMay]

So OP, clearly you are such a splendid chap or chapess, are you with us, in other words are you for Repeal?

Why do they have to be for or against a repeal?

Let's face it, the vast majority of those that hunted prior to the ban were simply there for a cracking day out and riding across the country - and had no interest in whether a fox was caught or not.

Those that continue to hunt post ban get all that, and more.

 

[Judgemental]

Why do they have to be for or against a repeal?

Let's face it, the vast majority of those that hunted prior to the ban were simply there for a cracking day out and riding across the country - and had no interest in whether a fox was caught or not.

Those that continue to hunt post ban get all that, and more.

I was not talking about hunting on a day to day basis, I was asking the OP what their view is on the legislation.

Are you for Repeal or not?

 

[AmyMay]

Actually, no I'm not for repeal.

 

[conniegirl]

Actually, no I'm not for repeal.

ditto this.

 

[Maesfen]

For me; the big plus for repeal would be the lifting of restrictions on hunt staff who are the ones that have borne the brunt in this stupid act which has been totally unfair on them. It would also help in the welfare of the fox which is not to be taken lightly.

 

[ihatework]

Thank you Alec for rescuing me from I don't know quite what, I keep envisaging the claws of the cat on Ernst Stavro Blofeld's lap.:eek3:

I feel this little dialogue has been somewhat timely.

There are clearly a large number of younger members, who do not realise just how devious the Sabs and Anti's can be, in trying to undermine Country and Fieldsports as agent provocateurs, (nothing to do with chain of lingerie shops:smile3 for which they are being trained by LACs and in their Cyber activities.

I'm sorry, but just climb down of your high horse and think about how your posting might be perceived.

Even if this was a post made by an anti, what has your response achieved other than to reaffirm preconceptions that people who hunt are ******'s

Remember lots of people read responses to posts, it's not all about the OP.

No need for cloak and daggers. A straight forward and honest response to the question was all that was needed.

I'm pro countryside, including 'hunting' but boy am I anti 'hunt' at times, or more specific anti a subset of people who hunt.

 

[Judgemental]

I'm sorry, but just climb down of your high horse and think about how your posting might be perceived.

Even if this was a post made by an anti, what has your response achieved other than to reaffirm preconceptions that people who hunt are ******'s

Remember lots of people read responses to posts, it's not all about the OP.

No need for cloak and daggers. A straight forward and honest response to the question was all that was needed.

I'm pro countryside, including 'hunting' but boy am I anti 'hunt' at times, or more specific anti a subset of people who hunt.

NO I WILL NOT!

Any New Boy/Girl - Foal who comes onto this forum, in particular and starts asking controversial questions, wrapped up in simpering platitudes is bound to be challenged.

Go into them hard and fast, 'shoot first' and ask questions afterwards, apart from anything else it's character building, for the challenger, challenged and spectators.

Trust nobody and be suspicious of everybody.

There are far too many lily livered Liberal Elitists (which is reflected in many of the comments and barbs directed at my excellent Judgement) who have been mucking the world around and the the Hunting Act 2004 is a prime example, this side of the Atlantic.

Let's hope some robust Republicanism will rub off from the States and our politicians/civil servants stiffen up.

 

[ester]

How is it contraversial? As I said it would hardly be news to anyone inside or outside of hunting! And definitely not to any anti?!

 

[conniegirl]

NO I WILL NOT!

Any New Boy/Girl - Foal who comes onto this forum, in particular and starts asking controversial questions, wrapped up in simpering platitudes is bound to be challenged.

Go into hard and fast, 'shoot first' and ask questions afterwards, apart from anything else it's character building, for the challenger, challenged and spectators.

Trust nobody and be suspicious of everybody.

There are too many lily livered Liberal Elitists who have been mucking the world around and the the Hunting Act 2004 is a prime example, this side of the Atlantic.

Let's hope some robust Republicanism will rub off from the States and our politicians/civil servants stiffen up.

you are the perfect example of why the stereotype of the stuck up Toff going hunting prevails.

YOU are the problem, untill public perception changes, the hunting act will not be repealed, public perception cannot change whilst there are people like you who perpetuate the problem.

anyone with a genuine question gets shut down fast by an arrogant, entitled idiot with a silver spoon shoved where the sun dont shine and a very skewed perception of reality, is it any wonder that hunting is badly perceived by the general public?

 

[Judgemental]

How is it contraversial? As I said it would hardly be news to anyone inside or outside of hunting! And definitely not to any anti?!

Yet another example of Liberal Elitism.

We do not talk about the hounds in a right thinking hunting world. It is simple not done and extremely discourteous to the Masters or Trustees of the Hounds.

For example, have you ever (assuming you are not a Master or Hunt Servant) been to the kennels without the permission of the Master?

 

[Judgemental]

you are the perfect example of why the stereotype of the stuck up Toff going hunting prevails.

YOU are the problem, untill public perception changes, the hunting act will not be repealed, public perception cannot change whilst there are people like you who perpetuate the problem.

anyone with a genuine question gets shut down fast by an arrogant, entitled idiot with a silver spoon shoved where the sun dont shine and a very skewed perception of reality, is it any wonder that hunting is badly perceived by the general public?

No you are wrong. There are a variety of protocols where the hounds are concerned and plainly, you have not been properly schooled in the correct etiquette on the subject.

As I said to ester it is discourteous to the Masters and Trustees of the Hounds.

Furthermore if we do not follow the Protocols set down over at least 200 years, then the whole procedure fails. Yet another reason we have the Hunting Act 2004, too many people failing to respect the correct etiquette.

 

[conniegirl]

No you are wrong. There are a variety of protocols where the hounds are concerned and plainly, you have not been properly schooled in the correct etiquette on the subject.

As I said to ester it is discourteous to the Masters and Trustees of the Hounds

well then I'm like the other 99% of the population who did not grow up hunting therefore dont give a flying fig about the correct etiquette of asking about potential animal welfare issue.

I dont care if you or the masters etc concider it discourteous, if they made the information available people would not have to ask about it, the information is not easily available and telling people they are not allowed to ask is perpetuating the stereotype!
If they are not allowed to ask the people doing it then all we can assume is that those lovely videos done by PETA of hounds being clubbed to death or torn apart whilst still alive are correct.

Until the hunts climb down from thier high horse and engage with the common man they will never get the support of the common man and thus they will never get the act repealed. this is not the 1920's where people have been trained to deffer to the aristocracy as their supposed "betters", this is 2017 where people can and do question, challenge and campaign on issues regardless of their social background.

I will add that before this thread I was ambivalent about hunting, could take it or leave it, probably would have voted to repeal it if the matter came up for a referendum. Now thanks to your attitude and replies I would vote against repeal!

Bravo, wonderful job done there!

 

[Judgemental]

entitled

Really? I must have missed the letter from The Lord Chamberlain's Office.

 

[The Fuzzy Furry]

Furthermore if we do not follow the Protocols set down over at least 200 years, then the whole procedure fails. Yet another reason we have the Hunting Act 2004, too many people failing to respect the correct etiquette.

Oh dear
JM, get off that ruddy great horse you are on and take a LOOk at the world around you dearie, just for once take the blinkers off eh?
YOU are really not 'helping' anything right now, however 'misguided' you might think other posters are (OP and also those who have posted in response to you above).

I actually read one of your posts above (ok, more than 1) to others - and the comments back were rather unfavourable towards you to say the least - this coming from a hunt secretary, a kennel man and 2 field masters.

And by the way, yes I do have a wee bit to do with hounds and hunt staff too.

 

[Judgemental]

well then I'm like the other 99% of the population who did not grow up hunting therefore dont give a flying fig about the correct etiquette of asking about potential animal welfare issue.

I dont care if you or the masters etc concider it discourteous, if they made the information available people would not have to ask about it, the information is not easily available and telling people they are not allowed to ask is perpetuating the stereotype!
If they are not allowed to ask the people doing it then all we can assume is that those lovely videos done by PETA of hounds being clubbed to death or torn apart whilst still alive are correct.

Until the hunts climb down from thier high horse and engage with the common man they will never get the support of the common man and thus they will never get the act repealed. this is not the 1920's where people have been trained to deffer to the aristocracy as their supposed "betters", this is 2017 where people can and do question, challenge and campaign on issues regardless of their social background.

Anti in sheep's clothing springs to mind.

 

[conniegirl]

Anti in sheep's clothing springs to mind.

actually untill I came across your replies and attitude I probably would have voted for a repeal had it come up in a referendum. Now you can jog right on I will vote against repeal simply for the fact I do not like being spoken to as though I am thick or too much of a pleb to know, if that is the prevailing attitude amongst those campaigning for repeal then they are doomed to failure.

 

[Judgemental]

Oh dear
JM, get off that ruddy great horse you are on and take a LOOk at the world around you dearie, just for once take the blinkers off eh?
YOU are really not 'helping' anything right now, however 'misguided' you might think other posters are (OP and also those who have posted in response to you above).

I actually read one of your posts above (ok, more than 1) to others - and the comments back were rather unfavourable towards you to say the least - this coming from a hunt secretary, a kennel man and 2 field masters.

And by the way, yes I do have a wee bit to do with hounds and hunt staff too.

Yet more Liberal Elitism, it's like a disease and needs to be eradicated rather like the Warble Fly.

 

[Tiddlypom]

I do wonder sometimes if JM is a sab under cover, as he does such a good job of alienating folk from hunting.

 

[conniegirl]

Yet more Liberal Elitism, it's like a disease and needs to be eradicated rather like the Warble Fly.

I propose that Judgemental is the Troll here!

or maybe they are the Anti, they are certainly doing the Antis job for them very well!

 

[Judgemental]

actually untill I came across your replies and attitude I probably would have voted for a repeal had it come up in a referendum. Now you can jog right on I will vote against repeal simply for the fact I do not like being spoken to as though I am thick or too much of a pleb to know, if that is the prevailing attitude amongst those campaigning for repeal then they are doomed to failure.

That rather proves that you do not have the interests of the hounds at the forefront of your thinking. Otherwise you would realise that a well bred pack, functioning to take a deer or chop a fox, is essential for their ongoing mental and physical well being.

The Hunting Act 2004 has diluted the operational cutting edge of all hounds bred to take live quarry.

 

[conniegirl]

That rather proves that you do not have the interests of the hounds at the forefront of your thinking. Otherwise you would realise that a well bred pack, functioning to take a deer or chop a fox, is essential for their ongoing mental and physical well being.

The Hunting Act 2004 has diluted the operational cutting edge of all hounds bred to take live quarry.

actualy I rather think that not being tortured to death is rather more important than thier efficiency in tracking prey.
Not living is squalid filthy conditions is also very important but i suppose we are not allowed to ask about those either!

 

[The Fuzzy Furry]

I do wonder sometimes if JM is a sab under cover, as he does such a good job of alienating folk from hunting.

I propose that Judgemental is the Troll here!

or maybe they are the Anti, they are certainly doing the Antis job for them very well!

Absolutely spot on. either that or an over 80yr old with a dinosaur head on.
What an exremely unpleasant individual indeed, certainly someone I wouldn't want to meet at my 2 local kennels, nor anywhere in the hunting field.

I strongly suggest that all other posters put him on ignore, as I am now going to do, as he is just bringing the sport into disrepute by his outdated, moronic and quite frankly very offensive tirades :mad3:

 

[ester]

So JM you believe that for the last 12 years mental and physical well being is being compromised?

 

[Judgemental]

Absolutely spot on. either that or an over 80yr old with a dinosaur head on.
What an exremely unpleasant individual indeed, certainly someone I wouldn't want to meet at my 2 local kennels, nor anywhere in the hunting field.

I strongly suggest that all other posters put him on ignore, as I am now going to do, as he is just bringing the sport into disrepute by his outdated, moronic and quite frankly very offensive tirades :mad3:

Yes well one can see you are not the slightest bit interested in the hounds.

 

[Judgemental]

so jm you believe that for the last 12 years mental and physical well being is being compromised?

yes yes yes

Confirmation is enhanced by good fast hunts with the quarry changing it's point. Once caught the hounds are rewarded and look eagerly for the same reward next time they are out.

However with this Lilly Liberal Trail Hunting or Dragging, the hounds are not rewarded and they never really enjoy the variations in scent that a fox emanates, along with the height of the scent with temperature changes. Thereby providing a too consistent confirmation at pace.

 

[ester]

Gosh, maybe they should stop hunting altogether then if it is becoming a welfare issue.

I must have been lucky to come across only fit, happy hounds I guess. Well one lame one once who was very cross to be sent straight back into the lorry.

 

[Judgemental]

Gosh, maybe they should stop hunting altogether then if it is becoming a welfare issue.

I must have been lucky to come across only fit, happy hounds I guess. Well one lame one once who was very cross to be sent straight back into the lorry.

No they are not happy because they are bred to hunt and kill.

 

[conniegirl]

No they are not happy because they are bred to hunt and kill.

well in that case lets just ban all hunting with dogs in any form (including drag hunting), and shoot all the dogs because that it clearly best for thier welfare, cant have them chasing a fox and it getting away on them, must be mental torture.

 

[ester]

Are they still bred to hunt and kill though? After this amount of time, I'd be surprised if hunts hadn't been selecting the best trail followers instead.

 

[ihatework]

Are they still bred to hunt and kill though? After this amount of time, I'd be surprised if hunts hadn't been selecting the best trail followers instead.

Begrudgingly, to be fair to JM (who I still think is a prize twonk), I would be pretty positive that the hunting traits are so genetically strong they would be very difficult to alter in such a short space of time.
On a smaller and maybe not even comparable basis, I take my lab out picking up on a small local shoot. On a bad day when he hasn't had some good retrieves he is noticeably frustrated.