So-called "Rescue sites" Charity comes out AGAINST!!!

If they put it on the web to begin with it is out in the public,dont see any need to ask Admin.
But,given that some allready have and others are thinking of donating I think you should post it.

JM,I cant agree more.
The plight of French horses may be a sad story,but we have more then enough to deal with here and NO real rescue organisation would ever sell on for profit,not to mention the risk of infection to our own horses.
High time this was shown for what it is and stopped.
 
I am another one that believes charity starts at home.

I am distressed to see the way ber seems to be moving if memory serves me correct I am certain she was originally agaist the franch rescue process.

I can not see the sense of paying that much for a horses already in a miserable exhistance, subjecting to more misery in the journey over here and in so doing so often lining the pockets of the unscruplulous dealers, all in the name of rescue!

Surely a charity should realise how many over here healthy quality tb from the racing industry could be rescued for that amount that CAN have useful lives and CAN be ridden and can although I don't agree with it be bred from. These horses are currently going to slaughter too.
 
PS only cos I was trying to do the same as you ie find the link from the site so I knew what you meant.

nice to have you and JM getting along
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If they put it on the web to begin with it is out in the public,dont see any need to ask Admin.
But,given that some allready have and others are thinking of donating I think you should post it.

JM,I cant agree more.
The plight of French horses may be a sad story,but we have more then enough to deal with here and NO real rescue organisation would ever sell on for profit,not to mention the risk of infection to our own horses.
High time this was shown for what it is and stopped.

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The link in my other post does work but its This one for those who missed what BER seem to be all about now
 
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Which Donkey Sanctuary is it Meemzul????

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Hi sorry read it last week it is based in Shropshire.

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Ah, just found it - thanks
 
Is a 3 month quatentine necessary? Or could blood tests detect in a shorter time? I can see why people would not want a competition / racehorse they had bought being in a stable for 3 months - it would lose all kinds of muscle tone, etc. Import tax, fair enough - most things are taxed when imported!
 
Competition and racehorses are already covered by the TPA. It is a loop hole in this that allows any old equine into the UK. The 3 month quarantine suggested would be aimed at the non competition/racehorse industry.
 
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Is a 3 month quatentine necessary? Or could blood tests detect in a shorter time? I can see why people would not want a competition / racehorse they had bought being in a stable for 3 months - it would lose all kinds of muscle tone, etc. Import tax, fair enough - most things are taxed when imported!

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All equines imported from outside the three countries currently covered by the TPA are subject to blood and health checks and tests.

The three months specifically relates to clear Coggins test (for EIA) which is currently present in France.

Indeed, one of the 'rescue' sites is currently trying to import an animal from the Ardeche, the neighbouring department to where the current outbreak is.
 
When I brought mine from Turkey, it was 1 months quarantine in an approved yard. Tests for EIA, AHS, Dourine, Glanders and something else I can't remember now! This all has to be done within the correct time scale as AHS requires 2 blood tests. You then have a vet health certificate issued and 10 days into which to enter the TRACES system. It took 14 days for her to travel to the UK with all the legal stops. Once in the UK, a DEFRA representative came and checked her and her paperwork over.

This was a very stressful and time consuming process but we hired an equine agent to do the work for us. It also cost a fair amount of money but was worth every penny to know we were doing things properly.
 
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When I brought mine from Turkey, it was 1 months quarantine in an approved yard. Tests for EIA, AHS, Dourine, Glanders and something else I can't remember now! This all has to be done within the correct time scale as AHS requires 2 blood tests. You then have a vet health certificate issued and 10 days into which to enter the TRACES system. It took 14 days for her to travel to the UK with all the legal stops. Once in the UK, a DEFRA representative came and checked her and her paperwork over.

This was a very stressful and time consuming process but we hire and equine agent to do the work for us. It also cost a fair amount of money but was worth every penny to know we were doing things properly.

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And that is exactly how it should be done
 
I meant more if you bought a competition horse from the continent, which was to remain in the UK rather than bring one over (and take it out again) for a specific competition. Living in a country where EIA is present and controlled (including reasonable compensation for owners of over $2500 if a horse is euthanized) I don't know much about what countries do and don't do to prevent it entering. Surely tho, if a horse is coming in for competition, it could still be infected, and infect others? But it would kill the competitions if no foreign horses were allowed in to race, compete etc.
 
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When I brought mine from Turkey, it was 1 months quarantine in an approved yard. Tests for EIA, AHS, Dourine, Glanders and something else I can't remember now! This all has to be done within the correct time scale as AHS requires 2 blood tests. You then have a vet health certificate issued and 10 days into which to enter the TRACES system. It took 14 days for her to travel to the UK with all the legal stops. Once in the UK, a DEFRA representative came and checked her and her paperwork over.

This was a very stressful and time consuming process but we hire and equine agent to do the work for us. It also cost a fair amount of money but was worth every penny to know we were doing things properly.

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And that is exactly how it should be done

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It is very similar when I bring horses over from Poland, with the exception of quarantine, which is not required, just the tests and vet's certificate, tracing system etc, also additional blood test for Rabies (for some bizarre reason).

I'm not sure how a quarantine would work within EU, is it possible to demand one without contradicting the free trade thingy?
 
Seems wrong to me that there is so little protection and current rules, from those countries covered by the tpa especillay bearing in mind eia which results in all sufferers being destroyed, and is carried by biting insects ie horse flies and most worringly lice is already present in france!

And from what I can gather the current rules and regs set by the the TPA agreement are not enforced and not always adhered to.

I dred the day which imo unless things are changed is only a matter of time when we have that fear over here and may end up seing our beloved equines having to be destroyed!
 
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Living in a country where EIA is present and controlled (including reasonable compensation for owners of over $2500 if a horse is euthanized)

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This link explains the Canadian EIA control program:

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/anima/heasan/disemala/equianem/equianem-proge.shtml

Look at the numbers of horses that had to be destroyed or permanently quarantined in order to control the disease! Hopefully such a situation in the UK can be avoided with the use of sensible import precautions.
 
I am so scared that EIA will be brought into the UK, the TPA loophole needs to be closed and strict checks on every equine entering this country whether from Spain, Franch or Ireland..

If you want a horse from abroad that badly you wont mind paying for Coggins tests and full vet certificates
 
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If you want a horse from abroad that badly you wont mind paying for Coggins tests and full vet certificates

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TBH, I don't recall it being particularly expensive either
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I think compitition horses although still a risk at transmitting EIA are less of a risk due to the fact they are healthy, so their immune systems will be stronger and you know where exactly they have been and who they have been mingling with etc

They also are less likely to have lice although still run the risk of bites from infected winged insects. Obviously transporting them between the countries is stilla risk however less of a risk, than poor conditon rescue horses and ponies from usually unknown sources.
 
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I meant more if you bought a competition horse from the continent, which was to remain in the UK rather than bring one over (and take it out again) for a specific competition.

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These horses, outwith France and Eire, are subject to blood tests if correct procedure is involved.

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Surely tho, if a horse is coming in for competition, it could still be infected, and infect others? But it would kill the competitions if no foreign horses were allowed in to race, compete etc.

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I think if you had a horse suffering from a nasty disease like that, you'd be aware it was unwell and not be competing it.......

Racing especially, the horses are stringently controlled as to what access they have with other horses.

And for International events, the stables are all gated, so the only mix of horses is the competing ones.

With the attention paid to horses who are crossing borders to compete, I'd say it very unlikely that they would be at any risk of harbouring disease.
All movement of horses including comps was banned in the areas where EIA was discovered in France.

The bloodstock movements would be the most likely to be at risk.....
 
I thought a horse could be a carrier, not having any syptoms themselves? In addition, it isn't a horse-to-horse transmission, but via insects etc, so physical barriers would not be effective.
 
Oh I do agree that preventing the disease in the UK is the answer. However, in terms of number, 550 in 4 years really isn't that high in a country which imports 25,000 horses purely for slaughter each year from the US! There are also a huge amount of horses that travel across the borders for competitons, exhibitions etc, and all that is required is a Coggins within 180 days (so 179 days afterwards where the horse could have contracted the disease).
 
Most of the competition horses are smothered in preparations which prevent flies.

And I suspect that if any horses at the level of FEI license requirement for international competition would likely have hd anything picked up long before they reached that stage......
 
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Here is a very interesting link to a UK charity/ non profit organisation going against everything said..

They could have gotten 2 for the price of this French bred TB
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Do the user of this forum know that this 'charity' agree with this sort of 'rescue'? I'm utterly shocked, I have never donated to Bank End on the basis it was not a registered charity and I'm very wary of con artists, now I see this I'm very glad I never got involved. I'd be raging if any of my hard earned cash went towards importing frecnh meat horses
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Totally agree with the above and I have to say that if I had a horse living on 'retirement livery' or a similar arrangement with this 'not-for-profit' organisation I should be moving it sharpish!
 
to get this a little bit back on track......

it just goes to show what a little bit of "People Power" can do doesn't it?

i have contacted a few regional organisations as well....
 
my outbursts regarding the practise of Franch rescuing (2 years ago) havent been in vain then
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. What I find extraordinary is that on the various 'rescue' sites who 'rescue' from the fatfarms etc, havent mentioned any of the DEFRA, Horse Trust news AT ALL! Its been pointedly ignored-wonder why?
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Would Toni like to respond to the many posts re her rescue goings on? Toni, where are you?
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Mairi-'potatoes' are cool
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Here is a very interesting link to a UK charity/ non profit organisation going against everything said..

They could have gotten 2 for the price of this French bred TB
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Interestingly it appears that this mare may well be travelling back to the UK tomorrow. Thus flouting the TPA.

And it is this that continues to be the problem with the TPA and the lack of regulation and checks it, almost, encourages. Not only is there the obvious risk of disease entering the UK, but the condition of animals being imported is on many ocassions very poor.

The whole situation is very, very concerning. Made all the worse by knowing that some of these poor animals are not going to be fit enough to travel and not travelled in accordance with DEFRA regulations.
 
Well, let's hope for Mr Transporters sake that all the paperwork is in hand IF he gets stopped at the Port by DEFRA......
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This mare is injured, and not fit to travel, as far as can be seen from the photos.

To bring her back to the UK is cruelty, not rescue........

Especially when she is going to a 'rescue' place that has confessed to not having enough money for adequate fencing and footcare for the horses in her charge already. (I have that info in a pm)

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I totally agree, even if she was healthy enough to travel I feel we should save our own first, charity starts at home!

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Completely agree with you there PS! Looks like I am not the only one!
 
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